Agreed .
Some scientific or logical proof is required to convince reasonable minds .

I believe I am in a world of Chaos.

OK good, that's what Im saying too

Robert Monroe who is a soul traveler has claimed to have seen many heavens on the Astral plane, one for each faith. When you die, you will go to the heaven for your faith and you will not see the others simply because that is what you believe.

Once he bumped into a person who did not believe in anything and they were sitting there unable to see anything surrounded by nothing but mist. It was a girl who had died. She was muttering to herself: "I knew I was right. There is no such thing as heaven. There is nothing after death. This must be it.



So choose your beliefs carefully. If you believe you are going to hell, you may just do that.

No, you are on fantasy Island.

Good for you. I truly hope you never lose your optimism.

The really "funny" ones are the ones who say follow what I believe or I'll damage you or or property or just kill you.

It's been my experience that most minds aren't reasonable. Mores the pity.

umm...if she was doing ANYTHING after death, wouldn't that make her wrong?

She wasn't doing anything, just sitting there. But there is a catch to the death thing.....

It does not exist.

You have to continue.... THERE IS NO ESCAPE. Sorry.

For those of you who think you can lead a life of crime and irresponsibility, your highly mistaken.

What if my belief systems is one that says I need to be an irresponsible criminal, with low moral values to achieve Nirvana. That only by being the most reprehensible person here, would I be able to walk through the corridors of Xanadu in the, what is it, Astral Plane?

you are not right we are not created in vain. there is paradise and there is hell. there is true religion and there is untrue one.

only in a perfect world

Just sitting there IS doing something.
In any case, I believe you are wrong. When one dies, that's it. There is no more. No one has ever substantiated any evidence to the contrary. You can believe whatever makes you happy. I, for one, will wait for evidence before I believe in an afterlife, or spirits or ghosts or what have you.

And you know this how???

Wait away. I used to believe something similar to what you say you believe. But I can prove, (by way of logic) that death is impossible.

Your Death to you = Nothing
Nothing cannot "exist."

Therefore, even after death, of this body, "something" exists.

You are the observer. You spent your entire life living and collecting experience and information... and for what? It is not logical that you should die and all that you have learned disappears. Where does it go? It goes into the collective unconscious.

The law of cause and effect, the law of attraction will not allow you to die and escape your effect. You can run, but you can't hide from life.

I began to believe in life after my first out of body experience. I decided that the body is not necessary for my being to continue to exist. It was quite a shock. I was going to escape all of my worldly problems when I died. I learned... that is not going to happen. Where ever you go... there you are. Body or no Body. There you are.

You cannot escape infinite being. That's wishful thinking.

Then you may live happily ever after in your own personal heaven or hell, what ever you create in your imagination. Until of course, you get bored with that. Then you go on to the next adventure.

wow, that's so wrong AND illogical, on so many levels...it boggles the mind.
1st off, unless I'm a computer program, death does not equal nothing, per se. The organic computer that is my brain would stop working upon my death. All the information contained therin will be gone. The entity that is me will then be gone. But the body will still be there. So, yeah, something will exist, but it won't be me.

Your kind of logic seems to work like this:
All dogs have 4 legs.
That table has 4 legs.
Therefore, that table is a dog.

This is of course nonsense. It makes assumptions of facts not in evidence, for one thing. As you do. One gains knowledge and experience. The point of such gains are whatever you want it to be. If you want your knowledge and experience to outlive you, they had better be stored outside of your head. Like in a book. Why does there have to be a "logical" use of what you are after you die anyway? In short, after death, you don't "go" anywhere. Noone has ever proved otherwise.
If there was such a thing as the "collective unconscious", don't you think humans would be a helluva lot wiser, by now? Considering how many generations would've been feeding into it, lo these many years..

I don't think you actually understand the law of cause and effect. That law certainly has no bearing on a subject like this. And I've really no idea what you mean by the "law of attraction". As far as I know, that only has to do with magnetism.

Out of body experiences: Those would either be dreams or fantasies. Noone has ever come up with any evidence whatsoever proving they are real. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of anything other than a good story teller.

I'm sorry, but wishful thinking is what you've been engaged in. Fear of death, fear of life, and other things, these are what leads people into believing in their fantasies.

There is a serious danger here. When people start believing in their fantasies more than in real life, they tend to stop trying to make their real life better. War, murder, poverty, injustice means little if we all end up getting recycled into a "collective uncounscious" or if the "just" get a special place in paradise anyway.

It makes me sad that you or anyone would believe in such things.

Hey, where's the guy who started this thread...havent't seen him in awhile

I believe that whatever I believe, when i get to know the truth it won't be what I believed.