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THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN THIS WHOLE UNIVERSE :AND CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO THIS GOD... well according to Islam Allah did create Jesus ...so are you talking about Allah? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 01/04/10 08:45 AM
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THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN THIS WHOLE UNIVERSE :AND CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO THIS GOD... Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, so everyone who who believes through him has found the way, the truth and the new life. So anyone who does not believe in Christ is lost and will not enter the new life to come, but instead will await the impending judgement of those who did not believe. This was the reason why Jesus came into this world to save the lost sheep of Israel, as the bible says. Does this sound harsh that others who do not believe in Christ are lost I suppose it is, but God, that is the God of Israel has given plenty of warning and plenty of time to understand the gift of his son to the world but again the bible states that the God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so that they cannot see see the glory or the meaning of the Christ. And you are one of them who has been blinded. You do not know the meaning of the Christ. And living a good life means nothing except possibly for the rewards of living perhaps a good life here while you live. Without faith in Christ human beings are lost because God again the God of Israel that is, can only see the righteousness of the Christ which is reflected through those who believe in his gift and who henceforth are saved through this faith. Senseless rhetoric. Living a good life means nothing? I beg to differ. Living a good life means everything, and it is a challenge to do so. But from the way some Christians tell it, it appears that the people who will end up going to the heaven of the "God of Israel" will include murderers, rapists, war mongers and all the people who lived wretched and evil lives and then, in a moment of weakness they repented and sold their souls to their egotistical God in exchange for mercy and forgiveness because they could not forgive themselves. So, to ease their conscience, they got it from their God. Then, they believe that they are washed of all their sins and transgressions against others and pretend to be righteous. They are deluding themselves. They will pay for their crimes and their transgressions. What goes around will come around to them as well. They are not saved from themselves until they save themselves. They will reap what they have sewn. |
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THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN THIS WHOLE UNIVERSE :AND CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO THIS GOD... Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, so everyone who who believes through him has found the way, the truth and the new life. So anyone who does not believe in Christ is lost and will not enter the new life to come, but instead will await the impending judgement of those who did not believe. This was the reason why Jesus came into this world to save the lost sheep of Israel, as the bible says. Does this sound harsh that others who do not believe in Christ are lost I suppose it is, but God, that is the God of Israel has given plenty of warning and plenty of time to understand the gift of his son to the world but again the bible states that the God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so that they cannot see see the glory or the meaning of the Christ. And you are one of them who has been blinded. You do not know the meaning of the Christ. And living a good life means nothing except possibly for the rewards of living perhaps a good life here while you live. Without faith in Christ human beings are lost because God again the God of Israel that is, can only see the righteousness of the Christ which is reflected through those who believe in his gift and who henceforth are saved through this faith. Senseless rhetoric. Living a good life means nothing? I beg to differ. Living a good life means everything, and it is a challenge to do so. But from the way some Christians tell it, it appears that the people who will end up going to the heaven of the "God of Israel" will include murderers, rapists, war mongers and all the people who lived wretched and evil lives and then, in a moment of weakness they repented and sold their souls to their egotistical God in exchange for mercy and forgiveness because they could not forgive themselves. So, to ease their conscience, they got it from their God. Then, they believe that they are washed of all their sins and transgressions against others and pretend to be righteous. They are deluding themselves. They will pay for their crimes and their transgressions. What goes around will come around to them as well. They are not saved from themselves until they save themselves. They will reap what they have sewn. they pay here on earth. It is completely logical that if that 'rhetorical' God had the mercy to forgive those who tortured and killed Jesus,, He can forgive those seeking forgiveness of all sins. We are not the same person our whole life, we live learn and grow,and we all have the option (from lifes lessons) to be a better person when we die than we were in our younger years. All sin requires repentance and our mortal values leading us to judge some sin as harsher than others does not necessarily make us enlightened nor reflect the way that the Lord will judge us. It is when people constantly try to limit Gods abilities and love to that of we mortals that there is a lack of understanding exactly why God is a glorious God. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 01/04/10 11:28 AM
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True repentance itself is redeeming, because it changes who a person is on the inside. True repentance means that you are not only truly sorry, you have not only learned something, but you have changed and truly realized the error of your ways. You are awakened and you are a new person. The truth is, no "savior" or "God" is needed for that moment of revelation and enlightenment to occur in a person's life. It is a moment of rising to a higher consciousness.
The "Christ" is the higher consciousness that is your higher self. The myths that are told of many savior gods of the past (including Jesus) are representative only. They are not facts, they are symbolic. |
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True repentance itself is redeeming, because it changes who a person is on the inside. True repentance means that you are not only truly sorry, you have not only learned something, but you have changed and truly realized the error of your ways. You are awakened and you are a new person. The truth is, no "savior" or "God" is needed for that moment of revelation and enlightenment to occur in a person's life. It is a moment of rising to a higher consciousness. The "Christ" is the higher consciousness that is your higher self. The myths that are told of many savior gods are representative only. They are not facts, they are symbolic. I agree that repentance is redeeming, I just disagree that I am my own God. To redeem myself is valuable while I am living, to be redeemed by God will be vital after I die. |
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It is completely logical that if that 'rhetorical' God had the mercy to forgive those who tortured and killed Jesus,, He can forgive those seeking forgiveness of all sins.
That "God" you speak of allegedly SENT his son (Jesus) for the purpose of dieing, (or so the story goes.) Or else Jesus volunteered to go, (according to the Urantia book.) Whatever the story is or was, he went to PAY the price for sin and purchase the "forgiveness" or "the pardon." Therefore the forgiveness you claim that God "gave" was not given at all. It was part of the bargain. It was bought and paid for. It was purchased by the sacrifice of the son. But do any of these religious claims actually make any sense? Of course not. Not in real life anyway. These are symbolic myths. They may have some meaning, but Christians don't understand the meaning any better than anyone else. They just don't make any common sense or logical sense. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 01/04/10 11:42 AM
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True repentance itself is redeeming, because it changes who a person is on the inside. True repentance means that you are not only truly sorry, you have not only learned something, but you have changed and truly realized the error of your ways. You are awakened and you are a new person. The truth is, no "savior" or "God" is needed for that moment of revelation and enlightenment to occur in a person's life. It is a moment of rising to a higher consciousness. The "Christ" is the higher consciousness that is your higher self. The myths that are told of many savior gods are representative only. They are not facts, they are symbolic. I agree that repentance is redeeming, I just disagree that I am my own God. To redeem myself is valuable while I am living, to be redeemed by God will be vital after I die. Some people just don't want the responsibility for themselves or for saving themselves. They look for a savior and a father figure. I do understand that. But these terms are symbolic of the being or place from which we come. I believe that I am part of God and cannot be separated from that. God is part of me. We are all connected. I guess pantheism is a good word for the description of my general belief. Because we have a will of our own, that makes us individuals and because there is only one will, that makes us God. My will is God's will. God lives in me and through me. |
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True repentance itself is redeeming, because it changes who a person is on the inside. True repentance means that you are not only truly sorry, you have not only learned something, but you have changed and truly realized the error of your ways. You are awakened and you are a new person. The truth is, no "savior" or "God" is needed for that moment of revelation and enlightenment to occur in a person's life. It is a moment of rising to a higher consciousness. The "Christ" is the higher consciousness that is your higher self. The myths that are told of many savior gods are representative only. They are not facts, they are symbolic. I agree that repentance is redeeming, I just disagree that I am my own God. To redeem myself is valuable while I am living, to be redeemed by God will be vital after I die. Some people just don't want the responsibility for themselves or for saving themselves. They look for a savior and a father figure. I do understand that. But these terms are symbolic of the being or place from which we come. I believe that I am part of God and cannot be separated from that. God is part of me. We are all connected. I guess pantheism is a good word for the description of my general belief. Because we have a will of our own, that makes us individuals and because there is only one will, that makes us God. My will is God's will. God lives in me and through me. I have responsibility for my life in the form of free will. My life will have consequences as a result of the actions I choose and I have never felt otherwise. The responsibility for my soul is also my own. If I wish for it to be housed with God, I need to be welcomed by him by following his word and loving Jesus. If I wish to leave it to fate , I can not care about what does or doesnt please anyone but myself. I just choose the former. |
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No funces ...If Allah created Jesus all good and well but I am talking from the Christian side of things...I am not Islamic. Jeanniebean How can I be speaking senseless rhetoric when Jesus said "Apart from me ye can do nothing" I was not saying you are not capable off creating a good life, but that that good life can only be created through the help of the Holy Spirit in our lives, we are sinners and Christ takes away our sin to bring us back to God, how else could God ever forgive us, without Christ's suffering and Death at the cross we are truly lost people, Why did Jesus have to suffer and die then, if we could please God with a good life. The Apostle Paul (Romans 7 verse 14) said We know that the law is spiritual:but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate to do I do. And if I do what I do not do , I agree that the law is good. As it is it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me., that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do;no the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing.Now if I do what I d not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. SDo I find this law at work. When I want to do good,evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in Gods law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of Death? Thanks be to God- through Jesus Christ our Lord! We Christians are saved by Grace that grace being Jesus Christ the gift of God. You do not work for a gift because that a gift is given freely to us And as for fornicators, Murderers, Rapists, War Mongers and such. The Apostle Paul again states 1 Corinthians 6 verse 9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. So do not worry Jeanniebean for the God of Israel will not be mocked... And we will all stand before him both good and bad to be judged one day. |
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Edited by
funches
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Mon 01/04/10 01:20 PM
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No funces ...If Allah created Jesus all good and well but I am talking from the Christian side of things...I am not Islamic. Jesus is the Christian side of things.....and according to Islam Allah created him ..and you never did name the God Jesus will bring you to |
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"Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money."
George Carlin |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 01/04/10 01:25 PM
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"Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money." George Carlin Carlin is a clever comedian who is good at twisting bits of truth into outrageous and hilarious political statements. God is not an invisible man to me. There are more than ten things that he sent for us not to do. Because we are born in sin(according to my faith) we will break some of the guidelines either out of ignorance or rebellion so it doesnt follow that all who break them will go to a place of fire and smoke and torture. God does love us, or we would not have any options and we would all be punished for what happened to his son regardless of how we chose to live life. He does not send us to Hell, we send ourselves. I do respect Carlins intelligence and he cracked me up during his time though. |
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Carlin is a clever comedian who is good at twisting bits of truth into outrageous and hilarious political statements. something like Jesus did with parables |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 01/04/10 02:38 PM
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Hey, folks, we're getting some feedback from people who have indicated that this thread might be going a little "out of bounds" insofar as personal remarks, etc., are concerned.
Remember, the intention is to discuss the message, not the messenger(s). Just a little reminder from your Friendly Neighborhood Moderation Crew....! 
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..i have no "religion" per se none of which you speak,i don't belong to any one religion..i have my own way..i do not believe as the majority and my church is every where..and my way is a direct line any time i choose..i am not influenced by anyone or groups of people claiming there's is the way...and i practice my beliefs every day.. |
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Carlin is a clever comedian who is good at twisting bits of truth into outrageous and hilarious political statements. something like Jesus did with parables very similar except that parables are meant to teach a lesson and not meant to be factual Carlin stated things as if they were factual,,a bit different still I love the Lord and I think Carlin was brilliant in what he did. |
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Carlin is a clever comedian who is good at twisting bits of truth into outrageous and hilarious political statements. something like Jesus did with parables very similar except that parables are meant to teach a lesson and not meant to be factual Carlin stated things as if they were factual,,a bit different still I love the Lord and I think Carlin was brilliant in what he did. |
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While researching various religions I have come across something interesting that is hardly addressed. Fist most sites indicate what happens to a person who believes that particular religion. what I find that is not talked about is what happens to those who do not believe. So i pose this question to everyone. According to the religion you practice what happens to the person who has lived a good life and dies but does not believe your religion? I believe in a creator who brought me to this life . However I believe that once we die, everything is finished as there will no hell and no heaven . If you disobey the laws of men it is on earth that you get punished by men . God never spoke to us on what is right and what is wrong . Furthermore is God really fair ?. I believe in God but I believe he is unfair, unjust, stone hearted.....etc. If god was any good would he allow all the tragedies in this life of men and women ?. Of course no way !. |
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funches
The name of the God whom you say Jesus will bring you to in reality, within the Christian scriptures(Bible) doesn't really have a name funches, the jewish people gave him many names the main one was Jehovah, but Jesus simply called him father as in Our Lords Prayer "Our father in heaven"... Islam therefore Allah acknowledges Jesus but only as a prophet, but Christians accept him as the son of God and of course Islam embraces Abraham and others also from the Christian\Jewish biblical accounts... OK funches |
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