So you're suggesting that war, murder, poverty and injustice actually have meaning if we just cease to exist when we die?

How would that be any "more" meaningful?

Surely you can see where that would be far "less" meaningful.

What meaning would life have for someone who was born into a poverty-stricken war-zone and was basically forced to remain in that evironment for their entire 'short-lived' miserable life.

After they die it was all for naught. And you're suggesting that this is somehow "more" meaningful?

How so?

I guess I was unclear. What I meant is that there is no incentive to fight against making war, fighting poverty, ect. ect..

Well, it seems to me that you'd be getting that view entirely from the Mediterranean type religions that boast an egotistical jealous Godhead who lusts to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and supposedly had a Master Plan for the whole of the human race including some stupid 'Battle of Armageddon' where God will come back to kick the butts of the heathens and save all the righteous bigots.

No wonder you loath religion. I can't blame you for that.

The Mediterranean cultures have truly ruined the whole concept of divinity and spirit. They made God into a hellish egotistical pervert who's even more demonic than a Hitler on LSD.

That's for sure!

What do you believe is asked?


I believe the children are our are future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

Everybody searching for a hero
People need someone to look up to
I never found anyone to fulfill my needs
A lonely place to be
So I learned to depend on me

I decided long ago, never to walk in anyone's shadows
If I fail, if I succeed
At least I live as I believe
No matter what they take from me
They can't take away my dignity

Because the greatest love of all
Is happening to me
I found the greatest love of all
Inside of me
The greatest love of all
Is easy to achieve
Learning to love yourself
It is the greatest love of all

I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be


And if by chance, that special place
That you've been dreaming of
Leads you to a lonely place
Find your strength in love


the song is by Whitney Houston but her message is strong and I myself believe that is how we should think.

My God, let me beat this dead horse and move on.

Work out your own salvation . . .

. . . WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING!

It will be forever, man, if there is . . .

I sincerely apologize for my previous statement. I'm supposed to be off here - well, I was as you'll understand if you continue to read.

I sought and gained insight from this forum afterwards - it just stayed after me. Hound of Heaven and all that.

You know, sometimes, just as in these forums, you just don't understand until you do. I'm changing my profile.

While I agree with you about the "Mediterranean type religions", I would also say my arguments work for, or rather against the types of things Jeanniebean mentioned. In fact, what I wrote was a direct response to her.

I find all belief systems that are rooted in subjective interpretations of feelings, or stories, or wishes, to be things of evil. I don't, however, think that all practitioners of such things to be evil.

That sounds like a subjective superstitious judgment call right there.

How is what I wrote, in any way whatsoever, superstitious?

Well, isn't it basically suggesting that subjective interpretations of feelings, or stories, or wishes are "evil"?

Sounds like the makings for a medieval crusade to me.

Pronounce something as being "evil" and all-of-a-sudden you've justified its condemnation and the mobs have been riled to support any actions taken against this evil demon.

What if those subjective interpretations, feelings, stories and wishes are of a positive uplifting nature?

Are they still "evil" then?

What does the very concept of "evil" even mean outside of a superstitious context?

I belive I can fly and touch the sky. Not really just in a good mood today. Take care all.

While researching various religions I have come across something interesting that is hardly addressed. Fist most sites indicate what happens to a person who believes that particular religion. what I find that is not talked about is what happens to those who do not believe. So i pose this question to everyone. According to the religion you practice what happens to the person who has lived a good life and dies but does not believe your religion? ...


nothing. As a baptist I believe a small number will see heavens gate. I believe it is based upon being baptised and living a life to pleas God. non believers would fit none of those criteria so they would just have their mortal life and die.,,

not to be harsh,, but if I didnt believe the white house existed,, what are the chances I would ever end up there. I think the same is true for Heaven.

no. Declaring something as evil is an opinion. Saying an opinion is superstion is like saying the statement "Vanilla icecream is good" is a superstition.
I understand what you're saying; I just think you're over thinking it.

In any case, I won't be able to reply for sometime. I had to fire my graveyard employee last night. Until I get a replacement, I'm doing my job and her job. I just love working all day and then all night....

So to everyone on here, it's been fun. No, really, it has. I'll be back sometime...

Laters...

Jesus promised..whoever believe in me will not perish but have everlasting life...

Promises, promises

Nail me to a cross and I'll promise you ANYTHING you want to hear Just being a smartass

I believe there is a higher power

Who
What

I don't know

But something has always been in my life to protect me
And yes I know and believe there are angels

But there is something higher out there!

With all due respect there has never been any writings found that have been attributed to Jesus. So to say that Jesus promised anything is actually quite misleading and misinformation.

To actually tell people this would be to mislead them.

All you can truly say is that some guy wrote a document and made a lot of claims about what a man named Jesus supposedly said about 30 to 50 years prior to his writings.

Then 3 other men repeated that tale in their own way obviously copying from the first man's work.

Moreover, you should also explain that the writers who claimed to speak for Jesus never wrote anywhere that Jesus ever told anyone to write anything down for future generations.

It also makes sense that if Jesus had wanted things to be written down he would have written them down himself.

Finally, even those men who claimed to speak for Jesus actually state that Jesus spoke the following words:


Matthew supposedly speaking for Jesus:

Matt.24
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mark supposedly speaking for Jesus:

Mark.13
[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Luke supposedly speaking for Jesus:

Luke.21
[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
[32] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


According to all of these men the things that Jesus had prophesized would all come to pass before the very generation that Jesus was verbally speaking to had passed.

Therefore, anyone who believes that these men actually speak for Jesus should understand that all of Jesus' promises were made to the generation that Jesus had spoken to, and not to anyone else.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that Jesus had made any premises to generations some 2000 years in the future.

On the contrary even Matthew wrote about a multitude of saints that had risen from their graves when Jesus was ressurected and he told of them going into the holy city to meet with people.

Based on that description alone, it can easily be seen that Jesus had already fufilled his promise to return and take with him those few souls that would see the Kingdom of God.

All the rest of us today must just be the descendents of the reject if we beleive these ancient stories to be true.

We're the descendences of the ones that Jesus left behind. Jesus made no promises to us whatsoever. To tell people otherwise is not even in alignment with what the doctrine actually states.

A great mans words are always relayed by others as they have been inspired by him. No need to boast of himself through writings when the whole world has learned of him through others.

To say he never wrote anything is to take the words of all great men and chuck them as nonsence..Shalom...Miles

Any belief is personal and it is okay as long as it does not interfere with the rights and freedoms of others .

I do not believe in double posts but I am having them.