well thnx mirror, but you know I've been accused of being the devil himself so be careful hahaha

no it is not new and you don't need to know the holy spirit to read it and understand it, what you do need is to know whats symbolic and straight forward talk, i could care less if anyone wants to be futurist if that's what they really believe without doubt, i dont push, as they say, preterism, i don't believe either is the "Absolute truth!!" i think religion is a drug, and the longer your in it, the more dependant on its high's you become. the more drunk illusions become closer and closer together. But still i know enough (not all!!) to be able to see what "more" rightly is expressed among the differing views there multifaceted cult has to offer, than one who has a "bent" on what is for sure in their own minds. all i was ever getting at was for them to be open minded, but for that i get called a heretic!? i didn't write it, their kind did? WTF???

no matter what i said it was a loosing battle to begin with, nothing is harder than to get someone off of dope, except maybe cigarettes - hahaha

nope.

the ones that preached Christ throughout the world at that time were killed where the people turned away from the advantaged and privileged.

That leaves future generations to be reached over and over again, tribo, until such time as none can hide behind their nefarious deceits and control people and enslave their hearts and minds, body and soul.

Some day, the task shall have reached its saturation point, tribo.

Pray not for that.

darkness is sure to follow the closing of the age.


but then, preterist excuses afford you that already.

Let's face it...

you do not want to see a world where Christians are in the majority.

It cramps your style.

yup.

Tribo....IF Jesus had already returned ( while the diciples were still on this earth, according to what you said), then what about all the believers in Christ, since?

What happens to them , IF Christ had already returned?

Also....Have you even read Revelations?

Also Tribo....What about all the prophesies that God said would be fulfilled , BEFORE His return?

Surely you must see....if you read the bible, that all those prophesies had not YET taken place , while Jesus's diciples still walked this earth?


Tribo....God's Word Speaks to EVERY generation....His Word is the Same, Yesterday, Today, and Forever..and is FOR Every generation.

What God said in His Word THEN, also Appiies NOW..

yes they were killed and persecuted and all else then i think they who were still alive along with those who died were then ressurected or raptured everything took place "then" and is not going to happen again ever.believe as you will wouldee i can no more change your mind than you can mine. but dont try to get me to stop posting my take on this. that would be a situation where we would not have an open forum anymore, which i believe it would be better anyway, but till then if ever, i have just as much right to my views as you do to yours. and will continue to post them, only i will be more careful to not copy and paste things anymore.

MS:

Tribo....IF Jesus had already returned ( while the diciples were still on this earth, according to what you said), then what about all the believers in Christ, since?

What happens to them , IF Christ had already returned?

Also....Have you even read Revelations?


tribo:

when they die they go to be with your god.

i cut my teeth on revelations, my entry into your cult was through late great planet earth - i tried to understand all the symbolic language and as you, had to turn to others for false info. it was not until i took a year and looked at everything Lindsey was saying verse by verse and compared it to all else in the book to see if it made better sense that i found major flaws with his book,

i never heard of preterist till out of the futurist camp.and a friend of mine told me about that view, i remember calling then the amillenials the animalesbians, making fun of his beliefs as you have hear. but he asked me to critique a writing of his on the purpose of the chuch and i did and saw great exegesis of the book and it was far more clear than the crap Lindsey wrote which by the way has so far proven wrong as to dates he set in his book (he should be stoned, thank god for his grace huh?? sarcasm intended!!)

from their i looked into preterism which i had heard from him also but it was briefly, that is why i looked it back up on the web, i did not remember that much, but for sure i knew they had a better take on the end times than you now do, or if you stay blind ever will have, do i think there 100% correct? how would i know? how can anyone know? that's not the point for me here. i just get tired of hearing what i consider views that are so far off base its not funny.

I just got thru looking at benny hinn again and all hid crap he puts out their and all the others, you call me a heretic? they are the demons not me they spew forth false prophecy after false prophecy and no one seems to care, if they had lived in jesus time or shortly before they would have stoned them for false prophets. And yet you allow that in your midst? How could you ever expect to draw reasonable human beings into your cult by watching such garbage? all the false healings, all the false prophecies, all the speaking in tongues, and supposed miracles, jumping and dancing in the isles (all of which is nor biblical either, those all past away with the church in ad 70 also), the big bands and fancy talkers and celebrities you have made your idols and drugs!

I believe if your god exist he would hold his nose from the stench of church, and no if you say to me their not right then your pointing your finger at yourself - your not right- do you think your god would allow that in his body? even one false prophecy?? yet you allow the likes of hinn and Lindsey to continue along with dozens more, do you think Paul would have put up with that in the early church if it had took place? NO!! yet you follow after them with itchy ears, or you do not condemn them as liars and deceivers, in stead you call me such.

as I've stated before your god told you rightly when he said " my people die from a lack of knowledge" think as highly of yourself as you wish, i see no more than sheep, drug dependant masses, following the pushers of your deceits. Those who think their not deceived by lies are the ones who are deceived.

MS, there will be no rapture, there will be no rebuilding of the temple, there will be no final judgement,there will be no antichrist, or any other futurist scenario, it already took place, i dont care if you guys believe it - but your stupid if you dont take your blinders off and put your daily doses of drugs away and and take a fresh look at what your book says. There is nothing worse to me than someone so set in there views as to ignore all others.

of course future generations would be - the book didn't disappear, and according to it when you now die you go to be with your lord, i don't argue that it fine with me, but your futurist views are wrong in my opinion, which is a pretty good one. wouldee you may think as you will if you think I'm a preterist, fine if you think my agenda is heretical fine, if you think i'm pushing people to go join preterist.com fine - all i see from you is your defense of a futurist view i know is wrong i knew that when i left your belief system long before hearing of amillenial or pretrsist views, i dont GAF - whos right as to being the dominant male king of the hill chritian sect, your cult does not have hold of me in any camp or sectarian branch, but believe as you will you fight with your own feelings and beliefs, not with me. evidentally your not satisfied with the thoughts that there are not more rewards waiting for you than just being in heaven? what makes the differece if the P's are correct? when you die you'll be with god! would you really rather believe that your gonna be raptured and escape all the terrible punishment that comes upon the world? Rather than just be at peace that you yourself are saved? why do you come at me your personal demon from hell the heretic of mingle2, the nazi stealer of childrens souls, and all else? with concerns of things that really should not matter to one if there saved any way what do you think your protecting wouldee? do you think that preterist who as of now believe in god the apostles creed and all else are going to hell?? are you really that paranoid to let anyone but you -see things from another point you personally dont agree with, what fears do you have - why dont you just let people make up thier own minds, i'm surely not going to tell anybody to become pretrsistic members of their cult anymore than i would shift them your way. i look for truth, i for one think your wrong on how the book reads thats my choice and i will continue to state so.

personally my take on the amount of true christians at any point in time is false, unqualified nubers at best, id say probalby 1% are true christians the rest are there for the thrills of the rides you offer. the church is full of audiences seeking entertainment. a cheap high - well not so cheap anymore.

People understand what Tribo is saying...they just know it's false reasoning from their experience in KNOWING God.

There is definately confusion between the carnal man & the spiritual man, but that is the only confusion. God is not a God of confusion.

i think you may be right QS, your the ones confused, not the writers of the book,

I haven't had a chance to read every single word of every post of Tribo's but as far as I can tell he is merely proposing an alternate translation of the prophetic scriptures. This is nothing new. The theories that he is discussing are centuries old. I think it is arrogant to presume to know the future just because you can quote a couple scriptures from the bible. I dont think you have to be a wannabe Nostradamus to be a christian.

Here and now, here in this moment

Here and now I turn to You

All that my searching heart has longed for can be found

'Cause You're in this moment, here and now

What majesty, what mystery,

the God of all eternity

Stepped into time and gave His life for me

Your hand is seen in galaxies,

yet Your Spirit dwells in me

So vast and yet You're still within our reach

There is nowhere You can't be found

Nothing on earth could ever keep Your Presence out

Here and now, here in this moment

Here and now I turn to You

All that my searching heart has longed for can be found

'Cause You're in this moment, here and now



That just warms my heart...


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nice

Hey tribo.....how are ya sweet man.

now, now MirrorMirror

I believe Nostradamus was the last great Prophet that we know of.

The signs of a true Prophet are all over him if we look at his life..Shalom...Miles

If you say so.

I was just making the point that I believe it is arrogant to assume to know the future just because a person read a couple chapters of the bible.

I know.. I have studied him some and wanted to show what most would disagree with also..Shalom..Miles

hi PB, doing fine and you?

WOW!!!! - didn't expect to hear that from you??

Ive only watched his life on history channel so i cant speak from a deeper understanding but from the quatrains they used on there, I see him not being a prophet at all in any way- at least as prophets like in the Torah and bible that seemingly gave direct prophecies as to times and places and actual people that they would occur to? there is hardly any, in fact not any but one that was shown to possibly be for anyone directly in his writing''s? do you have examlples of any prophecies that were spelled out exactly that can be taken as a known person or event and time?? would you or do you think he would have been seen as a OT prophet in Israel? if so would he have been stoned? just curious? thnx

shalom.

he came from at least 1 jewish parent. he apperently kept the law. he did good at with the plague bringing under control by teaching to burn the bodies and clean up so the rats would leave. He lost his wife and son in the plague and risked his own life.

he told different prophecies at the time that happened just as he said..

That is what got him known so well..

it also cause the church to go after him burnt his house destroyed at that time his cottage in the country and the soldiers were ordered to burn all the heretical books and writing they found.

he was hated for no reason..

he was persecuted by those of the religious elite.

just because we do not understand alot of what he said does not mean they are not true..

They need to be studied from a different view point as they were written as parables.

yahshua talked i9n parables so those who did not believe would not understand..

The prophets of old in thier visions were parables for a certain people.

He had all these.. I do not know of anything written where he tried to ever hurt anyone..

He also was a physician and through the scriptures took herbs and mixed them and made medice to help people all with no pay..

Those are qualities of a True Prophet...

That is why I believe he is the last True prophet of Yahweh at least to me that we know of...Blessings...Miles

Tribo.

I agree that you are entitled to your opinion.

But I will never lack the sound judgement to qualify serious debate and discourse into the things of the gospel according to the qualifications of scripture.

Heresies that malign the scriptures and create disengenuous contexts based on emotions and pride and and making excuses for ignoring the whole of that which is contained in scripture is not to be tolerated by any mature Christian given to study as a subsequent responsibility for being equipped to give answer for the faith we are called to.


Growing in knowledge of the scriptures does not preclude having been apprehended by the Spirit of God, but to the contrary, it is that very apprehension and calling that is incumbent upon the leading of the Holy Spirit in a Christian.


Those that usurp the authority of the scriptures malignantly will always be soundly rebuked and chastened.


Even now, as the internet makes even the most discredited doctrines and heresies available to all without qualification and disclaimer.

Even as the gospel will alway be preached incessantly until the Lord stops us, so will the rehashing of old heresies and new confront the c=Church and the populus at large, over and over and over again, tribo.

Quite unlike the preterist view which would silence the whole discourse if it had its nefarious way.

But it is these heresies that continue to proiselytize themselves and actually conspire to raise the ire of the world with thier malignancies, not the gospel.

It is not personal with me regarding you sitting in silence for furthering heresies.

It is not personal for me to rebuke and chasten any that maligns scripture whether in or out of the faith.

It is a matter of duty to remind all that false teachers are just that.

There is a difference between false teachers and immaturity. I won't define either for you.

But I will say, that I will be the judge of which is which, for myself.

I am always mindful of the need NOT to think more of myself than I ought, tribo.

But I do believe that my judgement is sound concerning scriptural truth, to the extent that I have come to be consumed with them as a living epistle.

I am under authority, myself.

I am accountable to God for everything I say and do, without excuse. I am His ambassador, not my own. That distinction makes for prejudice, tribo.

I am biased.

I am committed.


It is not your heart I seek to change.

It is access to your heart by the Holy Spirit which is my business to avail.

What comes of that is between a man and His Maker.

For it is in the heart that God peers and only to that heart which He speaks that which belongs to the heart for good, not ill.


and that, my friend, is the difference between me and many.

Have a good day, tribo.

yes they said much the same of him on the history channel also, but i still believe (my opinion) that he was no true prophet in the sense of a biblical prophet. even though your correct about parables and symbolism to a degree, their are many plainly stated Foretelling of things that would come upon people or city's etc. like with Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar. If Nostradamus had given "some clear prophesies" i would tend to agree more with you, i as you think he did many good things, but not as a prophet in the sense of others.

shalom my friend.