what can see past a veil of secrecy that keep ALL from no pain but what eliminate the wall of right and wrong in the mind that each thing worship, as all that come from the womb believe in the worship and practice of evil by believing there be two gods, good and bad, but if when one is born it be a reaction of anothers actions, than each stay a reaction of another until the day it see beyond the wall of right and wrong, the wall that seperate all peoples and nations from each other.....to believe in and worship good make it impossible to not see bad, and therefore worship or see the bad in each other, and yes the mind would say that men are evil and if no lines were drawn of good then all would reel out of control and rape and kill and murder, but all of history till this day has shown that we do reel out of control causing each other pain ever since the beginning of time, and that the only reason was what we FIRST worshiped, not all the actions.....so then it becomes apparent this was purposed by our own minds which lead us astray, and set us on auto pilot as a plane, to make all when see to love life and freedom and give valor and love and peace, and we forsake the very practice that has caused every ounce of pain that anything has ever felt.....for if the purpose of the action and reaction together be seen this make one to see and be now a creator and no longer a reaction to actions and to live seeing bad......if none see bad then who should wish to kill or rape or hurt or steal, as all that do so do it to combat what they each think is bad.....and make no mistake, if something live not in good and bad by seeing it as the culprit, it in itself cannot be harmed by any bad, as the energy of something that be now neutral can see all and disarm even anything it wish, as nothing within the prison of positive or negative can combat or over power neutral.....even ac power work on a neutral principle, as even all power and electricity come FIRST from not positve or negative but from neutral.....why each human think they feel less and medicate and do not know they are being taken even as prisoners to neutral emotions, and all fight to swim backwards to where they think feeling is, but true feeling of everything even the ground, the sky, anothers body, anothers energy, anothers energy is only totally felt from a neutral position....there be much GOOD reason to come to a place of 0 or naught, as all life is felt in much more intensity.....what neutral without right and wrong harm anothers person since it is plain to see that each totally want in the bottom of each heart to love something and not be rejected or deserted, so than neutral is what can NEVER reel out of control, as nothing has the power to make it antyhing more than 0 less it wish to, and if it wish to, it be for a WISE LOVING purpose......to make peace....just all of what has been spoken from all that have come before but put togther to make a picture of purpose, and if purpose be finally seen and the wall conqured and climbed, where are we as a civilization except at a new beginning.....a new creation.....a new wine that make happy as drunk....funny the very reason many so love to drink these day....to prepare for the new beginning....smiles

They aren’t 3 different religions. They all arose from the same local folklore that was far too ambiguous to be coherent. Obviously if the folklore had any genuine divinity it wouldn’t have fallen apart into so many different cults.

This is just one of a myriad of reasons why I can never honestly believe that these manmade myths have any divine connections.

blah blah blah......man made the church but God nor Christ nor what is says biblically has ever changes in 2000 years......and not folklore. Folklore is Johnny Appleseed or Paul Bunyon.....

amen!

Hi cutie noel.....how are you my friend.....

yea gotta set these pantiest straight yanno.....lol

im great thanks...thanks again for the talk----and honey god will set them straight, but your doing a damn good job also...i so love you

And your welcome for the talk.....and I know God needs no help.....but more for the peeps coming in who are really searching.....so they have more then one view and can make an educated decision.....kisses to miguel my sweet.

This is false information...are you reading and understanding the original texts in the original languages? Feral you need to at least be aware that what you read in your Bible has several interpretations worth of change.

Jesus was a monotheist No matter what anybody says its historical fact. Whether you want to accept it or not it is objective factJesus was in NO WAY a pantheist. Even his religion is monotheistic. The answer is right in front of you. The country Jesus lived in was monotheist The Jews are monotheist and always have been.Jesus was Jewish. This is the answer to the question. Jesus was in all ways a monotheist and still is. Im not saying thats a good or bad thing Im stating the obvious answer according to the facts.

BOOH YAH I just answered the question I win

Hey Mirror,

Jesus did not write that religion, nor did he right it...

Folklore is akin to mythology only on a diffrent scale of influence. This is going a little off topic however. Mythology is much more powerful and older than folklore

Monotheist? Does that not mean "One God?"

Pantheist!

Since Pantheist believe that we are all connected to the ONE GOD, that simply makes us part of the ONE GOD.

Monotheist = One God.
Pantheist = One God.

What Christians are doing is taking a being, with an ego, and a name and a personality, and calling that being THE ONE GOD.

That is impossible. You cannot place the entire ocean in a tea cup and you cannot place the one God into one individual being. Its not possible.

..in my opinion ...

Pantheism is monotheistic. To think otherwise is to do nothing more than show that you don’t understand it.

Pantheism says that everything is God. How can it be polytheistic when its fundamental thesis is that all is one?

Christianity, on the other hand is all about an egotistical God, not a monotheistic God like pantheism.

The God of Christianity is a separate individual person-like entity that rules over his very own creation like a monarchal King. That’s as egoistical as a deity can be. It clearly has a ‘self’ and even confesses to being a jealous entity that demands to be loved by commandment. It even goes as far as making threats against anyone who dares to not love it. Mandatory love? Is that even possible?

Christianity is all about appeasing the ego of this God that demands to be loved,… or face its wrath!!!!

Human souls are some kind of inferior entity in this picture. Pets of this Big Chief Ego that demands to be loved by commandment and threat of punishment to those who fail to love it.

Humans will forever and always be nothing more than inferior pets who’s only purpose is to appease their superior egotistical fascist creator for all of eternity. There will be no free will in heaven for the only human souls that will make it into heaven our those who are willing to forfeit their free will to do only the will of God for all of eternity.

Like it or not, that’s the ultimate picture that you must believe to be a Christian, for the Bible tells us so.

This is the picture that the Bible describes! Like it or not.

if I give you money, you have money.

If I give you love, you have love.

is this mandatory?

to walk in what is , is to possess what is.

In that regard, Abra, your world view and beliefs are what has been given you. Is it mandatory?

If you give people the impression that things are thus and so, then they will receive thus and so.

Whwer it fails to accomplish this is in what is given, Abra.

Givng people a false hope in your false interpretations of Jesus and His Church is received as such.

Give people the truth in Christ Jesus and the people will receive the truth in Christ Jesus.

Mingling Christ and pantheism together and then declaring that all is god and all are gods and then declaring that Jesus is God and men are not and then adding that pantheism is monotheistic and that everything is god is like giving confusion and the people receive confusion.


You make no sense. You are confused.

The truth is that the love of God comes from God to man and man loves one another and God as well by knowing first that love.

That love is missing in pantheism.

pantheism is anarchy.

Christianity is a family.

There is one source and you are aware of that source, but you do not know that source or you would know mine.

I, likewise, would know yours, were they the same.

In the balance, we can agree that a pound of apples equals the weight of a pound of oranges, but all we will agree on is the measure of weight. The apples and oranges remain mutually exclusive.

Creation and its love and the Creator and its love is a mutually exclusive love.

It is not mandatory, nor can it be. It is reciprocal and recognizes itself wherever it has filled the void. And yet remains a mutually exclusive love.

The this and that of it.

It is what it is.

Pantheism is a completely different concept.

As you have said in the past; Jesus taught pantheism but then you say Christianity is a monarchy of demands and forced servitude and fear based fascism.

The truth is that you want to change Christianity to be your pet and accept you on your terms and stand as an autonomous creative being wherein lies no accountability for your own personal responsibilties.

Sounds like the age old whining of the devil, Abra.

Believe me when I tell you that many of the minions were in me until 1987.

Then, you would have my vote that pantheism was the way to go, but since that time I know who these minions really are, Abra.

And believe me when I say, that the only thing that was thrashed was my blameless accountability which was not known to have been garbage to me before such a cleansing of my soul from the errors of this life was manifested.

Where you stand, Christianity is an intellectual exercise.

From where I kneel, Christianity is a way of life.

Either we are both right or one of us is not.

Which you choose to believe for yourself is your choice, my friend.

I choose to share what I possess with you, but the willingness to receive that is up to you, not me.

I have been where you are.

You have never been where I am.

I know it, you do not.

You need proof. I need nothing.

you need to exercise your faith to find out.

I already have.

But on we go as though we are weighing the oneness with different weights.

Apples and oranges, my friend.


or they wouldbe bananas or rolos or spinach or pantheistic manifestations of ourselves or whatever else.......

But telling the reader that they must believe your depiction of the message within the Bible is wearing the very thing that you despise, Abra.

power and control over others.

You make no sense.

If you are a Christian then you believe Jesus is god. the only real god. Thats monotheism If you dont believe that, you arnt a Christian. Most religions say that they are the only true religion.This is nothing new Its not just about Christians Its a characteristic of ALL the monotheistic religions This mysticism about everything being "GOD" is something else all together. Im just saying that Jesus was and is a monotheist. Thats a fact whether you wanna believe it or not. Jesus was a lifelong monotheist as were all of his people, and so is the religion that has had his name for 2000 years.

The Hebrews were the first monotheistic nation. Thats what set them apart from most other ancient peoples. The Hebrews are the Jews today. Jesus was Jewish therefore he was monotheistic. I just answered your question with historical facts and not mystical conjecture

I only just found out that I am described as a "pantheist." this year. In truth, I have never called myself that, and didn't even really know what that was, because it didn't matter. I was not into labeling.


I don't know how Abra sees it exactly, a bit different than me I suppose.

I think you see it as "anarchy" because you think that if it were true, then when we die, our spirit energy or souls and all our information (memories experiences etc.) is sucked into the collective and absorbed (consumed) by this huge soul-sucking God. (LOL)

I don't see it that way.

If that were the way, I would certainly not be a happy camper, and I would not want to be a "pantheist." It would remind me of the Borgue on Star Trec who say "YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE."

"RESISTANCE IS FUTILE."

(YUCKIE!!)

That is not the way it is ......IMO.


But we are all still connected and we are all still part of the ONE GOD. ... IMO

Quantum physics confirms this and there is evidence that we are holograms.... in a holographic universe. Made up of light, projected from a two dimensional surface. Sounds strange, I know.

But after we die....

.... we will retain our individualism even though our higher selves will assimilate our current incarnation's personality and share it with all other of our incarnations. The Higher self is the true self. It will retain its individuality and it will retain its connection to the One God.... which is massive.

There are limitless worlds, infinity is a long time. Its infinite.

Jeannie

Just because you don’t understand me doesn’t mean that I’m not making sense.



Love is caring about someone. If God true loves people he wouldn’t threaten to disown them for merely not believing in muddled ancient stories.

To reject people just because they don’t believe in contradictions and absurdities is not love.



Excuse me?

In pantheism all are one. Can’t be more of a ‘family’ than that. :bigsimle:

In Christianity all are separate souls, many of whom will be cast out into damnation simply because they didn’t buy into absurd self-inconsistent stories.

That sounds more like a broken home to me than a ‘family’. A parent who abandons many of his children for his own self-centered egoistical reasons of vanity.

You call that a ‘family’? Maybe you’re thinking too much in terms of American families.



In both pantheism and Christianity there is only one source. All are children of God in both scenarios.

The only difference is that no one is abandoned in pantheism.

In Christianity many are cast out for superficial reason associated with the vanity of the Godhead.




I just offer it as food for thought. I’m not trying to change the entire religion. I’ve already made it clear that it is my believe that the vast majority of it is demagoguery and lies. And that includes much of the hearsay about Jesus. If you take the gospels as infallible verbatim truth then you’re stuck with the whole book verbatim. It is that perception that I’m personally rejecting.







You have no idea where I’ve been. This is the problem with many Christians they profess to know things they cannot possibly know.

The fact that they are extremely willing to fool themselves is obvious. They’ll readily make up anything and believe anything without any inkling of proof.

One you’ve accepted that you don’t need any evidence to believe things, you can easily convince yourself to believe anything at all, no matter how absurd it might be.



I don’t recall telling any readers what the must believe (other than to suggest what must believe if they claim to believe what the Bible proclaims). The Bible depicts God to be a fascist ruler. There can be no doubt about that. Even you often speak about the need to have an ultimate authoritarian to answer to. Personally I’ve never seen any reason for any such thing. Clearly that ideal hasn’t prevented men from doing what they want anyway.

The only thing that such a judgmental scheme would provide is a way for unforgiving people to revel in the satisfaction of that revenge against their enemies. But that very ideal flies in the face of the religion’s proclamation that we are supposed to forgive our enemies.

I just point out the myriad of contradictions and self-inconsistencies in what I believe to be man-made mythology. I don’t denounce God. I’m a pantheist not an atheist so I worship God and support a belief in God. But I’m not about to support the bigotry and male chauvinism of a man-made mythology.

So I offer my food-for-thought on the topic.

I don’t care whether anyone believes it or not.

Just because you are a pantheist doesnt mean Jesus is. Because he's not. No matter how much you wish it were true. To believe otherwise is livng in fantasy land. I answered the question and proved it with historical facts. Im not saying what i believe,or my opinion. Im answering your question with facts. If you honestly want the real answer see my previous posting in this thread.