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Debate not the scriptures.....cause it will make you see and feel hate, as all the scriptures are just a LOVE story, and seperate you from LOVE, and hell was only said to be a place where many would be "seperated from god/LOVE....where the **** are we right now and so why are we in hell......we see not that GOD IS LOVE, AND LOVE IS GOD.....NOT A BEING OTHER THAN MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN..... Read each posts of yours. At first, it was like one hand on ice and the other in a fire pit. Until I just let go of that which separated us (meaninglessly), to focus on your loud, sincere and authentic outburst for 'LOVE'. What matters not, is the different and personnal relationship you and I have of, or with 'god'. What matters is the pure light which emanates from that personnal relationship with 'god' of yours. As you write very clearly, 'DEBATE NOT THE SCRIPTURES'!!! That would be like someone arguing with me about my personal conception of 'god': this ALL/NOTHING, immaterial, impersonnal and 'unknowable' (to my human senses), energy of entity of which something other than what 'I' know of 'ME' is an inseparable and intrinsinc part. It would be futile. It is unfounded, as is yours, and as faith or belief has it, it is meant to be unfounded, other than to the one believing. You, my friend, seem to have embraced and transcended the scriptures, and clearly have 'gotten' the essence of its gift, if it were. I truly see in you a 'partner' capable of recognizing above and beyond your own personal beliefs, that which is essential, real, and authentic in everyone else on this planet, regardless, and including different faith, beliefs, or dogma. I could be wrong, but I think the spirit spoke even louder then the words you wrote, and entered those 'open doors' on this forum, ... maybe!!! Thanks! LOVE CAN OPEN ANY DOOR BOLTED AND NAILED SHUT AND WILL. |
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Edited by
davidben1
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Tue 03/11/08 09:25 AM
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I have no idea what Davidben is rattling on about. The idea that Jesus might have actually been a pantheist is actually a very loving idea. It's just offered as food for thought for anyone who might be interested. No debates necessary. It's not an assertion of fact, it's just a possibility that has as much merit as any other possibility. Embrace it or reject it freely as the holy spirit of your own heart lovingly guides you in your path. Keep in mind that the Jews themselves did not believe that Jesus was their Messiah. So there are entire religions out there that entertain alternative explanations for the life of this man named Jesus. If the Jews themselves can maintain that one of their very own was not the incarnation of the God of Abraham, then surely it should be respectable for others to consider alternative explanations as well. After all, if the Jews don’t believe that Jesus was a misunderstood pantheist, then I guess they must think he was an intentional lying blasphemist. Or do they just deny that he ever claimed to be God? What do the Jews think about Jesus anyway? We never hear that side of the story. [/quotte) i am soooooooo sorry i have not made it clear that i totally agree with YOU! Why i have NEVER disputed with your posts. |
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Daviben1 needs to start his own thread. He makes no sense at all and I'm sorry to say, he sounds like he needs professional help. He makes no sense,... other that he says that God is love. That does require that he need to ramble on so much. jb i am soooooooo sorry, i did see that it was hogging.....forgive me......there are many things hidden in plain site. I totally agree with YOU and nothing i said was meant to show i did not......i have a poor way with words but i promise i am learning more everyday from people just like you. |
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Daviben1 needs to start his own thread. He makes no sense at all and I'm sorry to say, he sounds like he needs professional help. He makes no sense,... other that he says that God is love. That does require that he need to ramble on so much. jb i am soooooooo sorry, i did see that it was hogging.....forgive me......there are many things hidden in plain site. I totally agree with YOU and nothing i said was meant to show i did not......i have a poor way with words but i promise i am learning more everyday from people just like you. I just want to say that a forum is meant to be a "discussion." that is, back and forth between people exchanging ideas. You sound like you are giving a sermon to a crowd, that's all. |
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i am soooooooo sorry i have not made it clear that i totally agree with YOU! Why i have NEVER disputed with your posts.
That’s quite alright. I didn’t mean to imply that you were disagreeing with me. And it would be ok if you were anyway. 
I simply said that I had no idea what you were trying to say exactly. And I didn’t. I just wanted to clarify that there was nothing unloving about my proposal that Jesus might have been a pantheist. At least not from my perspective anyway. I agree with you that God is all about LOVE and that's the single most importnat thing. I like what you said about LOVE is God, and we should worship LOVE itself. That was good. 
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Daviben1 needs to start his own thread. He makes no sense at all and I'm sorry to say, he sounds like he needs professional help. He makes no sense,... other that he says that God is love. That does require that he need to ramble on so much. jb i am soooooooo sorry, i did see that it was hogging.....forgive me......there are many things hidden in plain site. I totally agree with YOU and nothing i said was meant to show i did not......i have a poor way with words but i promise i am learning more everyday from people just like you. I just want to say that a forum is meant to be a "discussion." that is, back and forth between people exchanging ideas. You sound like you are giving a sermon to a crowd, that's all. a discussion be one saying all they believe and then another saying all they believe, and reason be had between the two....i love reason, and so say all i believe to then here all of what another believe....i have heard yours and agree with all and the only reason i have not responded to any of your post, and only replied and didn't quote, and only replied to all that i have read since the first post here.....smiles.....i appoligized up front because i seen i was hogging and since did knew i wouldn't do it again.....PROMISE. |
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i am soooooooo sorry i have not made it clear that i totally agree with YOU! Why i have NEVER disputed with your posts.
That’s quite alright. I didn’t mean to imply that you were disagreeing with me. And it would be ok if you were anyway.
I simply said that I had no idea what you were trying to say exactly. And I didn’t. I just wanted to clarify that there was nothing unloving about my proposal that Jesus might have been a pantheist. At least not from my perspective anyway. I agree with you that God is all about LOVE and that's the single most importnat thing. I like what you said about LOVE is God, and we should worship LOVE itself. That was good.
i agree with you and think you not unloving at all, and just posted my opinions, just that, and not words meant to condem anyone, as your posts i smiles each time i read. |
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Edited by
voileazur
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Tue 03/11/08 01:34 PM
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I, Voileazur, wrote:
"... Until I just let go of that which separated us (meaninglessly), and simply focused on your loud, sincere and authentic outburst for 'LOVE'..." "... I could be wrong, but I think the spirit spoke even louder then the too many words you wrote, and entered those 'open doors' on this forum, ... maybe!!! ..." Abra wrote: I agree with you that God is all about LOVE and that's the single most importnat thing. I like what you said about LOVE is God, and we should worship LOVE itself. That was good.
I'm now clear for myself, and while I won't speak for Abra, the statement he made above would indicate to me that he's also getting the essence of your 'postings' (that's all there was to get IMO in any case). As far as I am concerned, a confused writing style is definitely not a SIN!!! And your posts were more like a game. Sort of a charade. Had to get rid of all the superfluous clutter, to be left with the clear, luminous and quintessential 'WORD'. You're a good man 'davidben1', that I am now clear about. I suggest that 'wouldee' might even consider (freely) getting off the rethoric, and signifying his agreement with the essence you drove home 'davidben1'. |
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Edited by
davidben1
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Tue 03/11/08 02:20 PM
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i appreciate all nice things anyone would say as much as the next, but i must speak the truth for myself and have no concern for what others think of me, less it tempt me to blindness....I AM NOT A GOOD MAN, AND THIS I WILL PROCLAIM FROM/THRU EVERY MEDIUME I EVER HAVE THE PRIVELAGE TO SHARE FROM.
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I believe that there are many pantheistic correlations regarding the parables which Jesus was noted for speaking in.
Jesus was not considered the Christ until after he was crucified, which can lead one to believe that Christianity made him the Christ, rather than the widely accepted version(s). Not that I completely dismiss the value of Jesus, not at all, actually... A loving Father could and would, indeed, reward a dearly loved child, regardless of the child's misunderstanding(s)... At least I have and would... I also think if 'God' is as loving to me as I am with my children, then perfection is out the window, as well as omniscience, and omnibenevolence... 'God' would be much more pure than I could imagine... I absolutely love my children equally and would never even imagine considering deliberately planning nor allowing one of them to be crucified for the other's benefit... And they are, coincidentally, of the exact same dna... monozygotic twins... identical in genetic make-up... MMMMMMuuuuah!!!! Love to you all...
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i appreciate all nice things anyone would say as much as the next, but i must speak the truth for myself and have no concern for what others think of me, less it tempt me to blindness....I AM NOT A GOOD MAN, AND THIS I WILL PROCLAIM FROM/THRU EVERY MEDIUME I EVER HAVE THE PRIVELAGE TO SHARE FROM. Hell!!! Does that mean I had it all wrong, ... AGAIN?!?!?! Let me try one more time. Would you settle for 'good man' if I added that it doesn't imply 'perfect', nor 'without fault' ?!?!? |
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Edited by
wouldee
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Wed 03/12/08 04:02 AM
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Not a one on this page of this thread would I crucify!!!!!!
I would be hatin' on you to do such a thing. Friends all!!!  
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it makes me happy to be able to find reason with such friends, and attempt to explain the reason behind what seems insignificant and to exile emotion, as emotion is a great magician that steal truth/love/happiness while keeping one distracted.....i have in public been attached to GOOD, and this truth can see be the great evil worshipped that keep all from truth, which make love, which make peace, which make happiness, as things seen thru the black and white, keep full color truth hidden even in plain site, and why since the beginning of the book peace has eluded all, as if found, the author truth be instilled within the heart, and whisper not a scriptue ever to follow, as it was satan/mind that brought a scriptue to jesus to follow, but rather truth/god/thoughts that explain the meaning of each scripture when heard, and even explain all thoughts and why percieved wicked ones be heard, and why following them we can see lead to death just as lambs to the slaughter, so removing the two good and bad when hearing thoughts or sriptures can reveal now there meaning, making just ONE voice, one purpose, and the true meaning of ONE god.......one to not have any gods greater than.....it was said that in the day of a new beginning all would become wise as serpents, and all would cry peace peace, so to be a serpent was never bad as percieved thru G and B, but was given to gather as seeds all experince, so in the day of the lord truth's return, all would be mixed togther, and a potent truth serum as a doctor administer a remedy create awarness......to know the wisdom of both god and satan, good and bad, as there come a wisdom greater than solomon in the day that truth ride out.....and what not seeing keep all from exiting even their own natural bodies into one that is far more comfortable, and without pain, and one that can never be harmed in any way, and can sustain without effort nor thought, and where tears are not known......it was said we are born into the world speaking lies, and to forsake this good and bad when viewing thoughts and remove it is impossible by man himself even by all intense effort, and only by hearing what the veil be can make one know what to denounce that keep from hearing and seeing truth and make to follow false gods......so we see no being has ever created their own desire, and what was used to carry along the path to gather experince, and when the journey is complete, then mens eyes are opened, as if the eye had been left open to this realm, none would have ever harmed ANYTHING and UTOPIAN would have always, been, and no understanding ever accomplished, and each would be still as children that no not how to handle this realm, where everything has 1000x more power than in human form, and as we can see, this would be quite detrimental to the well being of all, so perhaps ALL things really do work TOGETHER for good.....smiles.....if one simply SEE what be the adversary, the seed of untruth, truth can go to work within, and crucify the bad seed, and make the caterpillar/serpent that had walked upon the ground to begin to go into the cacoon/shed its skin, so as to emerge with wings of an eagle that can fly high above all untruth, and even above the natrural body.....so if any of this match the truth that be in each, than you see why i denouce the false god of good, not for my sake, but for the sake of truth, which come to make all to live in peace and bliss.....peace
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true
life is messy
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