Why don't we just cast all the non-Chrsitians into hell right now and get it over with. This suspense is killing me.

They can just come over to my place.

Actually I live in heaven, but don't tell the Christians!

Unicycles in the backyard for everyone.

With all the stuff about alien abductions you hear today and the coming alien invasion... oh you haven't hear about that..? OOps...

..anyway, if a cloud descended the heavens and a tall figure who looked like Jesus was standing on it calling for all the Christians to come and board his ship ... or whatever is hiding in that cloud.... I would not go. because...

He could be a giant hologram projected by the aliens to (once again) fool the humans into boarding the ship to the homeland of the aliens who then will proceed to make a new slave race, even make hotdogs out of the children. (The aliens do, after all, eat human flesh if you have every read David Icke's stuff, but they prefer children because they are not so toxic.)

For all we know, earth is just a place to raise us like cattle, use us as slaves, and eat us for dinner.

It would make a good movie, you gotta admit. Hey, I think they did make a series on this scenario. It was called "V."

Would you get on the ship?

Not me. If Jesus appeared and descended from the clouds I would expect him to keep his promises. He said that the meek shall inherit the earth. That’s the only promise I would like to see him keep. He can take all the Christians to heaven where they belong and then we can finally have peace on earth and good will toward men.

http://www.enkispeaks.com/

you may find this interesting since you talk of aliens.


I love the series V! Great stuff. lol

I dont think you know anything Wouldee. You sound like a typical bigot

I read the same spout from you just recently.

Miss me that much?

Coming from a fan of Carl Jung I expect no less.

The bereft hatred he espoused has found a home in your desolate abode.

What he spouts is no less capricious and has already been ignored as extremist and baseless.

But you didn't get the memo.

Bigotry is yours. Not my turn to serf in your world.

Now you know.

Im exposing your anti intellectualism Your way of thinking would plunge this world back into the dark ages. Yes, your eloquent. I also undertand exactly what your saying unlike some of these other people. I also understand the implications of what your saying. You are insulting intellectualism and other religions and belief systems in order to espouse your ultaconservaive viewpoint. I understand what your saying and Im pointing it out for the others to see.

I also think these people who keep insulting Christianity are silly. That stuff is just plain boring. I guess they are too dumb to realize that there are other religions with other gods.

Its not my way of thinking that engedered the Dark Ages, mirror.

It's the thieves that usurped the faith to make a buck like the Pharisees were and fell on their face aND PISSED OFF iSLAM DOING IT.

The only insult is in the hearts and minds of those that take issue with Christian thought as though the carpet bagging is the authentic flavor of the age, when in fact neither man or angel or any other gods in this world can stop the proliferation of a way of life that is insulated from demise by the protection and will of the Creator of this wonderful masterpiece that allows for the foolishness of man and man's choices to abound beyond measure and containment.

Why this is anti-intellectual is not because of the age and the ancient preservation of its truthful tenets but because of the ignorance of those that ridicule the counterfeit and chastise them for the things done in the name of Christ because of the liberty of those that seek to disengenuously usurp noble and just causes and plunder the world under the auspices of spreading goodwill while fueling hate and discontent in the name of another.

Very much the same camo as mirror. Reflections are only one dimensional and vague.

The insult is only in the interpretation you have of Christian thought mirror.

Christians are anything but mindless weaklings seeking a crutch.

There are many young ones fighting for your right to be endlessly capricious if you so choose so that you don't have to be assaulted in the very land that they love so much and are willing to protect to the risk of their lives alongside others that may hate their beliefs and convictions but share the love of this country's will to preserve the sanctity of all our ways of life.

Many of them are officers and gentlemen that are very highly educated, intelligent and skilled and do that which is in their heart. Fight to win and let the wicked die on their own soil, not here.

I could go on all night, but I know you can figure out how that relates to anti-intellectual bigotry.

If Christian thought followed Christ or Jesus's teaching they would:

Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Love thy enemy.
Do unto others as they would like done unto them.

For what they do to others they have done to the Christ.

War is Hell and you promote that.
All is God and you deny that.

You are the thief.
You promote hate, not love.

No thanks.

Jeannie

Jeannie,

We can all be saddened by things that ought to not be.

Tha some find themselves engaged in the battles of those whose governance requires the use of resources available to further their means to an end also risks well meaning youth with a good end in sight to sometimes be employed being that some find themselves as men and women under authority.

That includes young soldiers that will receive an education and many headstarts in life from serving this country with military service.

We are all under authority. Even obedience to the laws of the land is required of Christians wherever they find themselves.

What constitutes the nature of battles also includes obedience to authority for those so engaged.

Assuming spurious motives on the persons of those serving this country does not belie their example, it forwards it, especially in the light of their self sacrifice.

I pay my taxes and drive on the roads of this land. Well that I contribute.

I would love to see the end of killing and the premature loss of human life curtailed but it is not going to happen in this life. Man's heart is naturally depaved, and yes, stolen by the thief.

Greater love has no man than to lay down his life for his friends and also is meant with a caveat to obey His commandments whatsoever they may be. That one commandment includes loving one another. I would die for the love of God where it thrust upon me in sharing that love, but does that requite the one that would kill me? No. And likewise, we cannot assume that all conflict is so simple. Nor that all will follow these principles, either. It gets messy sometimes.
But to forward the messiness of things...there is pure evil rampantly present in the hearts of men like Sadaam Hussein that can never be ignored, no matter what such men may say of themselves and thier intentions. Hitler, too. Did you read "Mein Kampf" yet. The insights into the minds and hearts of people like this would destroy the world you enjoy and your grandchildren would be singing mythical fables and pretty little sonnets about the childhood you enjoyed were men like this allowed to rampage, pillage and destroy anything in their way. That people will follow such men into the depths of horror speaks to the depravity of man and its inherent stain on civil discourse.

I feel your pain.

Adorning oneself with the majesty of God and wearing His grace and exuding His love brings us into circumstances where that love is not always embraced.

Should one run and hide from those who throw stones?

where would forgiveness be without offences being turned from and met with acceptance that truly those offences are not occuring any further...lesson learned? Tell the Iraqi and German and Japanese and Chinese and Italian and etal peoples that their lessons learned are not forgiven.

Tell it to those that have found Christ.

Then ask yourself if one can judge the ramifications of all things known and unknown and how this judgement finds place in truth.

There are many layers to what adorns life's trials and tribulations.

It is not Utopia. We are not in Walden.

The depravity of man is a character trait of your god. Espousing that god is in all and that god is all suggests to me that god is by your supposition less than physical and apt to be depravity itself that creates these depravities that you must endure as well: and enviously assume is not in others that find no affinity with such moral turpitude and would endeavor to erase such things from their person and the awareness of others.

Such a god that is so inclusive of this one trait is no god, nor a god that I am apt to embrace should I find another.

Find another I have.

You make no sense. God is not all the ills of society.

Man without God, is.

It is what it is.

The idea that we need the biblical God because we need an ultimate authority is hogwash for several reasons.

First, it suggests that everyone who doesn’t believe in that story only disbelieves it because they have a desire to escape authority. Clearly that is not true. There are far too many examples of non-believers who have morals standards and ethical behaviors that exceed those taught in the Bible.

Many people proclaim that it would be impossible to exceed the moral standards of the Bible but that’s absurd. Just take the same morals taught in the Bible and expand them to include animals and you’ve already outdone the Bible. It’s quite simple. Moreover in can be argued that many of the things that are taught in the Bible as being ‘moral’ aren’t necessarily good things. The Bible taught that women should speak about religious or ethical topics in public and that she should only speak to her husband about these matters in private. I suppose single women are supposed to just shut-up altogether.

What if that kind of authoritarian bigotry actually came from the men who wrote the Bible and has nothing to do with any supreme being? What then? Should we bow down and worship the patriarchal bigots just because they wrote a book claiming to speak for God?

Secondly, the idea that the Bible represents the ultimate authority of our supreme creator only serves to incite men to try to use the book as a religion to become the ultimate authoritarians by claiming that they hold the word of the almighty creator in their hands. It’s the ultimate ego trip that was unfortunately used by man evil men to do bad things over the course of history.

In the early days that book was used as an excuse to stone sinners, burn witches, and threaten the lives of the scientific minded men and women who were only seeking TRUTH. Such evil cannot be from our creator.

Finally, asking someone to ‘believe’ in something that they see as truly being absurd and clearly written by the hands of men is utterly stupid. Do you want them to just LIE?

There is no way that I can believe that the Bible was written by an all-wise creator of this entire universe. The Book is clearly too stupid and petty to have been written by an entity that supposedly created this entire universe. It contains the frail, stupid, and utterly egotistical and patriarchal ideas of men.

It’s is impossible for me to truly believe that the Bible is the word of God. The very best I could possibly do is pretend to believe for the sake of appeasing someone else (and that would include any imaginary supreme being that was stupid enough to have written such a bigoted book).

If the only way to God is through the belief that the Bible is the ultimate infallible word of God then God is beyond my reach. I would need to lie to God to get to him. I would need to lie to myself. I would need to pretend to believe that something that is utterly absurd and fully of blatant inconsistencies and contractions is true. I would need to believe that the creator of this universe is a moron.

That’s not possible. I can’t do that. It’s not a choice.

I don’t have the free will to lie to myself without knowing that it’s a lie.

I can’t lie to the biblical God and expect him to believe me. He would know that I’m just pretending to believe for the sake of saving my a$$ from damnation.

It’s impossible for me to appease what I believe to be a myth. I can’t change that anymore than I can change the fact that it’s impossible for me to believe that I can grow wings and fly away. I can pretend to believe it until I’m blue in the face, but those wings aren’t going to grow and I’m not going to fly away because in the middle-middle of my heart I know that to believe such a thing is a lie.

A person truly cannot choose to believe anything. They either believe it or they don’t. It’s not a choice.

To pretend that they can ‘choose’ what they believe something is the ultimate delusion.

If you’ve chosen to worship a God for the sake of appeasing the authority of that God you are lying to yourself and to that very God that you are pretending to believe in.

Your only possible motivation to fool yourself must be driven either by fear to save you’re a$$ from damnation, or by lust for the dream of a reward of eternal life that you believe you would not otherwise be eligible for.

It’s not possible ‘love’ something that you’ve never even experienced.

And if it’s really ‘life’ and ‘creation’ that you love, then welcome to pantheism

Abracadabra. We are not gods. I know Im not. Everything is not god. Thats Animism. Jesus was a devout follower of "The One God" of the 3 monotheistic religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam These 3 religions are exclusive by their very nature. Not inclusive. So no, as much as some people may want to believe, Jesus was not a Pantheist.

In the state of our being human, not knowing that we are god, and in the state of having free will, and deprived of our memory of who we are, we are given choice of thought and action.

Without such choice of thought and action there is no freedom whatsoever, and with no freedom, nothing new can arise from the thinking centers that we are, for we would be stifled and under a hive mentality, mere robots or slaves of the one mind of God and we would be forbidden to choose that which we might create, and all that would be created would only arise from one point of perception, and that would be the perception of the one God.

But the one God does not want to be alone, and that is why the veil was drawn over all the thinking centers manifested and that is why all these points of perception (individual awareness centers) were given the will to direct themselves and to choose what they might create from a different perspective with no knowledge of from whence they came or who they are.

So because of this, we create and experience all we can imagine, and we can imagine evil things, and we have no knowledge except of that which we can see and we are trapped in this three dimensional reality and we are made to follow its rules and we are led to believe it is real. This thing that you call "evil" and depravity that you see and judge, must exist in order for creation to progress through choice.

To learn to love and to choose to create good things is one of the opportunities of this experience, and it is only one experience of many that these thinking centers will pass through to other worlds of learning, for when we leave this place we will be transformed and those who knew us before will hardly recognize our energy.

We are only having a human experience. There is a lot of drama here and a lot of death. But what is important is that we are eternal and shall always be and it is important that we learn to love and create good things worthy of the higher states of being.

War will always be a fact here on this earth, it is part of the great game, and you are right about that Wouldee, but it is still a choice you make on what you support and what you condone and what you make excuses for, but most importantly on what you can learn from your personal experience to take with you when you spiral out of this reality. (You will get to look back at all of your deeds then.)

Jeannie

It would of course depend upon how you define "god" or "Gods."

Are you a god if you are a creator?
Are you a god if you can walk on water and do other amazing magic?
If you can create new planets and stars, then does that qualify you as a God?
Is there more than one of these creator gods?

If so, then where do they come from?

You cannot KNOW that you are not God. You can only think you know. All you really know is that you are aware.. that you exist. That is all anyone can know, because they know from their own personal point of perception .. awareness.

Jeannie

Lets look at what can be proven and what can be disproven. Im not gonna talk mysticism. It too subjective. Lets take an objectve approach. Obviously a god is a person or thing that is worshiped by a major religion. If you have a religion named after you for a couple thousnd years and you influence peoples lives and world affairs a couple thousand years after you die then you are most definaltly a god. By its very definition. I (probably)will not be remembered and worshiped thousands of years from now. Only a few special people have that honor. They are gods. Thats what a god is. Something or someone people believe in and discuss like we are doing right now.

So then is Elvis Presley a God?

If you take an objective approach to define God, you will be lacking in evidence. Someone recently told me that they would like to "introduce me to God." (As if he knew this deity in person.) Picture that. "Hello, God, this is Jeannie, Jeannie this is God.) And there standing before me, a man looking a little like George Burns, or Elvis Presley or whatever. THAT'S OBJECTIVE.

You can see it, touch it , hear it, etc.

But if he simply took me to a Church there would be no one to introduce me to. A statue perhaps? A Book? Where is God? I would ask.

He could take me to a park and introduce me to nature, thinking that is God. But if that is God, I see it everyday.

God is not objective as a personality. If you want to meet God, then get to know your true self within. You're on your way then.

Jeannie

I see where you are going with this. Godhood is akin to fame only on a much larger scale. Its sounds strange to compare Elvis to a god. I certainly would heve put it a different way. Fame is certainly an aspect to godhood. However The Buddha and Jesus and the other gods are far more famous than Elvis. Although Im sure there are some people who have worshiped Elvis. People worship money too. Interesting point JeanieBean. You almost always make clever observations

A god is all around you influencing peoples lives and the course of history. For good and bad Jesus is definately a god. That name bears tremendous influence for thousands of years and probably always will as long as there are humans. He is one of the most popular and succesful gods that have ever existed