I think that the number of new infections are falling in the UK. They are considering easing the lockdown after the next Bank Holiday on May 25th but we'll see.

Yes seamus that's right. It's just a problem in the care homes.
Difficult, most I've seen are not the cleanest and the staff although doing a good job are not as careful with hygiene.

I check this site, it gets updated every day with the latest numbers. Looking at the UK then today's numbers of new cases has gone up again. I don't see it going down...
(Today's nrs aren't in the graphs yet, scroll down and you'll find it, 6000+ today)

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Not as good as it was a few days ago then. It did look like it was beginning to fall.

Hi Blondey,
Went through the link and it seems they are working with volunteers to develop antibodies -- but it's all in trial & error stages.

Given the available medicines to boost immunity levels and assuming no vaccine is found till 2022 - can you explain what this would mean? thanks.

Israel claims significant breakthrough



From what I've been reading in Mystical's and other posts, seems this time gap between 'significant breakthrough' and commercially available vaccine has to be shortened before the virus mutates to a different version. What surprises me is that the virus has traveled around the globe and not mutated so far!

It is my understanding that there are several vaccines undergoing phase 1 testing. I think the plan is to go to phase 2 testing in June or July. There are also plans to start mass production even before the testing is complete.

The virus has mutated. The strain that initially invaded the US west coast was the same strain as from China. The strain that invaded the US east coast was different and came via Europe. It is easier to transmit.

Hi jai . it is not just vaccine development that is in the experimental stage . So is the use of other medications (including existing medications and existing antiviral treatments .. new and old ) . Most were not designed to be effective against covid ., but are being trialled in the hope that they may help relieve symptoms or reduce hospital stays .

Which immune boosting medications are you referring to?

The danger with covid is that we know it can produce an exaggerated immune response which leads to a cytokine storm ... having a boosted immune system (if that is possible ) would likely exacerbate that reaction . There is no guarantee the immune system will respond favourably to attempts to activate it . Also why taking anti- inflammatories can be controversial in some cases .. it interferes or alters the natural protective immune response .

The two types of immunity developers are most interested in targeting are innate immunity and activated Immunity . (The immune response is really complex .
In it’s simplest form ..,Innate immunity Is the initial immune response that activates the release of cytokines in response to detection of a pathogen .. .....whereas , activated immunity which involves the release of cytotoxic T cells is activated when the body encounters the same pathogen and recognises it (it is acquired immunity) .

If safety is a priority .. clinical trials are important to understand not only the effects , side effects and interactions but also to determine safe dose and how medications /vaccines affect different age groups . A result in one group cannot be assumed in another . More importantly it takes time to understand the immune response both short term and long term . Whether the goal is acquired immunity or to target the virus by blockIng its actions or preventing replication .. we still need to understand the immune response .. that takes time .

What will happen until a vaccine is developed or global herd immunity is achieved ., we remain at risk from covid infections . We know covid can mutate . So far that seems to be fairly slow with documentation of only one mutation ., in saying that , not a lot of research has focused on this yet . ( Jai I posted a link on this thread very early on that covid has mutated into two strains . One thought to be more severe . )

Covid is unlikely to just disappear but hopefully will become more manageable . The need for public health surveillance and health system improvement will be ongoing . China is looking ahead and preparing for future outbreaks . The rest of the world should pay attention to that .

this virus is from a bat and a plant probably the bat ate the plant it releases a toxin that effects your bodies weakest point it can go upper respiratory or lower respiratory it can work as a skin toxin the plant is similar to our poison ivy

Poison ivy?
Well... This is damned great news... For me.
I'm immune to poison ivy, poison oak,
and poison sumac.

Is it tobacco that made you immune? If so, I likely am too, lol.

Probably.

Though, I remember playing in poison ivy,
and poison oak, as a small child..
I've always been immune to it.

hello Andover Bat species are known to harbour endotoxins acquired from their diet even from eating certain types of fruit . That does not explain how covid made the jump from bat to human ..

in general plant toxins tend to rapidly affect the central nervous system . We would see a different pattern of symptoms if that was the case .

As far as toxins combining with any pathogen a bat may harbour .. Taking bats out of their natural environment exposes them to any number of environmental toxins . They appear to have a remarkable immune system. The DNA evidence identities bats as the likely source but there is little other evidence at this stage as to how the virus progressed to be zoonotic .

Jai .. a couple of links about covid mutations ...,

http://www.sciencealert.com/yes-sars-cov-2-is-mutating-but-before-you-freak-out-read-this/amp


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12326324

There is ongoing concern about global medication shortages ... particularly drugs used in theatre and critical care . Most healthcare systems have had to defer elective surgeries While dealing with the impact of covid .

http://www.goodrx.com/blog/covid-19-drug-shortages-updates/


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121423934/coronavirus-pharmac-warns-of-significant-shortage-of-surgery-drug-propofol

So, saying someone has a car accident and died then in the autopsy they find they tested positive for COVID-19 should they be included in the figures?

I must say I don't know either. We have cow parsnip which can be a problem.
Apparently there is a little dyke in one northern province where some idiot planted poison ivy. It's not native to our country. No one knows if that is the only place or whether its seeds have spread.
Poison oak I don't know, cannot find a Dutch name for it either. I don't think we got that here.

If they'd include that in the diseased numbers it would be false. That person didn't pass away because of the virus so doesn't count. Does count as a corona case, not as a corona death.
I doubt they'd count such cases in the death rates, would be illogical and paint the wrong picture too.

Numbers still low, but I'd like to see them go down a wee bit further. Granted, today we did have somewhat less again, but still.
It seems to be a slow process of downgoing numbers, you see the same in other countries where things are improving.
But I probably want to move too fast now, it's just been over 2 months.

USA and UK still keep going with the same/similar numbers they have for weeks now.
Fingers crossed for you that it soon will begin to decline!

Worldwide approaching the 4 mill cases, and fast!

True, its confusing, and so political! The medical mafia is taking over, and we have lost our BASIC human rights all in one! Never before they quarantined the healthy.