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Topic: Coronavirus
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Mon 05/04/20 04:27 PM





Today no big changes from what I can see. We have 445 new cases, Belgium and Germany still improving too.
No change in the USA at all, and oddly enough the UK has 2 days on end with very high numbers again.


The figures for UK now include deaths in the community, such as in care homes. Before, the figure was coronavirus deaths in hospitals only. That’s probably why it looks like there’s been a surge when in actuality, the figures are on a downward trend.

They started to do that here too a few weeks back. But I'm not looking at death numbers but new cases. I assume the numbers from homes have always been included?


No, the numbers from care homes were never included until very recently.

I was curious about that, and I don't mean to argue, but it says that now the death numbers of care homes are included, not the number of new cases?
What is see is that the death rate shot up on April 28th so I guess that's due to that new rule concerning death numbers. But I'm not really looking at death rate. I'm more interested in the amount of new cases because that says whether the virus has run its course or not.

My mistake Crystal, I was answering about deaths when in fact you were questioning new cases slaphead

I think we see an increase of new cases because more people are now being tested. The government had a target of 100,000 to reach by the end of April which they in fact exceeded by testing over 122,000. This may be why there is a sudden surge in new cases this past week.

The best way to look at more testing and cases is to look at the positivity rate of tests. That will give you an actual indication of containing the virus. If you are successful and the increase in testing results in some more infections but a decrease in the positivity rate, you are making good progress.

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Mon 05/04/20 04:41 PM
Here in the states most main stream media and state governments have failed us. They have failed to educate the populace about this virus, how to control the spread, and how to protect themselves. They have made proclamations in an attempt to slow the spread without educating the why. Now after 6+ weeks we are seeing more protests and blatant refusal to follow their mandates. We are even seeing more violence because of trying to enforce some level of social distancing. A security officer at a store was shot and killed for refusing to let some woman and her kid in the store without face coverings in Detroit. It is starting to look like a total failure in parts of the country and our only recourse is self protection from the virus. Maybe when the virus deaths get up over 500,000 here, people will start to wake up!!! HOW I HATE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!

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Tue 05/05/20 07:37 AM

Here in the states most main stream media and state governments have failed us. They have failed to educate the populace about this virus, how to control the spread, and how to protect themselves. They have made proclamations in an attempt to slow the spread without educating the why. Now after 6+ weeks we are seeing more protests and blatant refusal to follow their mandates. We are even seeing more violence because of trying to enforce some level of social distancing. A security officer at a store was shot and killed for refusing to let some woman and her kid in the store without face coverings in Detroit. It is starting to look like a total failure in parts of the country and our only recourse is self protection from the virus. Maybe when the virus deaths get up over 500,000 here, people will start to wake up!!! HOW I HATE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!

How should the state and media have further educated the people? If they don't get the seriousness of a pandemic that's raging around the world... Is there something wrong with their intelligence levels?
I think in times like these you can tell what a people are truly like, the general vibe I mean.
A people that has a need for firearms in the home, allowed to take them with 'em, cannot be a happy, balanced, trusting people. And yes, then people can get shot just like that.

Over here the general nature of the Dutch shows now: egocentric or not giving a chit as long as they themselves are doing fine. We are very down to Earth, but sometimes that seems to swing to the negative of that.
That doesn't mean the Dutch are horrible people, it's a general thing. Each people has a general vibe & tendencies that define them.

The Swedes on the other hand are a far more laid back people. They normally don't go in to work or school either when they have a cold or otherwise sick. So they find it rather normal to do social distancing, stay / work at home now there's a pandemic. As such government didn't need to lay down a strict lockdown.
People use their brains.


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Tue 05/05/20 08:55 AM
Couple of things :
Our figures are for everyone who has died that has covid 19 mentioned on their death certificate.

Why are the riots in France not being shown on UK media?

I saw it on rt whoa

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Tue 05/05/20 09:01 AM
May 4, 7:30 p.m.

The coronavirus pandemic is affecting physical health as well as mental health. Suicide rates in some areas such as Queens have risen since mid-March compared to 2019. An article in the Journal of the American Medical Association this month cited a number of troubling factors caused by the health crisis: Economic stress, social isolation, lack of access to mental health care and the closure of churches and community centers.

More people died from suicide than the coronavirus in a single Tennessee county in a one week period, Knox County Mayor Glenn Jacobs said. "Last year, our medical examiner performed autopsies for 199 confirmed or suspected suicides from across the region, with 83 of those coming from Knox County. Over the past 48 hours, that office has now examined nine suspected suicides, eight of which are from Knox County alone. For Knox County, that’s almost 10 percent of last year’s total number in the past two days alone,” Jacobs said in a March daily briefing. "Thus far, our reaction to COVID-19 has been to sacrifice the global economy,” said Jacobs. β€œThe truth is: a sick economy produces sick people.”

If you’re struggling with mental health issues during the pandemic, a guide on how to find the right mental health care for you can be found at Mental Health America.


May 5, 6:20 a.m.

Here are the latest updated totals from around the world, according to researchers from Johns Hopkins University:

Total confirmed cases: 3,598,324

Total deaths: 251,832

Total recovered: 1,171,569

As countries continue to gradually ease restrictions, the world topped another sad milestone with the global death toll now passing 250,000. Just one month ago, the worldwide death toll was nearing 70,000.


May 5, 8:21 a.m.

The U.K. now has the highest COVID-19 death toll in Europe, according to new data released on Tuesday by the country's Office of National Statistics. According to Reuters, 29,648 deaths had taken place as of April 24 in England and Wales, but when additional deaths were included from Scotland and Northern Ireland, the number of fatalities topped 30,000. Italy has the second-highest death toll in Europe with over 29,000, according to Johns Hopkins University.


May 5, 10:17 a.m.

Pharmaceutical company Pfizer announced Tuesday that the first U.S. participants of a clinical trial of a COVID-19 vaccine have received doses. Pfizer is conducting the research alongside German drugmaker BioNTech and testing of another group of individuals was completed in Germany last week. Pfizer said it is looking to enroll up to 360 individuals into two age groups (18-55 and 65-85). The first stage will include individuals from ages 18-55 before moving onto the older age group. The two companies are conducting a development program that includes four vaccine candidates, while looking to "determine the safety, immunogenicity and optimal dose level of each."

β€œWith our unique and robust clinical study program underway, starting in Europe and now the U.S., we look forward to advancing quickly and collaboratively with our partners at BioNTech and regulatory authorities to bring a safe and efficacious vaccine to the patients who need it most. The short, less than four-month timeframe in which we’ve been able to move from pre-clinical studies to human testing is extraordinary and further demonstrates our commitment to dedicating our best-in-class resources, from the lab to manufacturing and beyond, in the battle against COVID-19,” Pfizer Chairman and CEO Albert Bourla, said in a statement.

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Tue 05/05/20 09:06 AM

Couple of things :
Our figures are for everyone who has died that has covid 19 mentioned on their death certificate.

Why are the riots in France not being shown on UK media?

I saw it on rt whoa

Like I said the other day: UK has a censure on news from the mainland.
Which is concerning considering the fact every country's media is censured as it is, so why add stuff to that?

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Tue 05/05/20 09:35 AM
Same all the way through brexit

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Tue 05/05/20 10:05 AM
Brexit is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
Brexit was an action not a place.

The withdrawal agreement was ratified by the UK on 23 January and by the EU on 30 January; it came into force on 31 January 2020.
Brexit is no longer happening, its over.

The statement "Same all the way through brexit" means it was happening, but no longer is, as of 31 January 2020.

I'm confused how this applies to the current discussion about NEWS censorship in the UK/EU. I was under the impression UK/EU NEWS censorship has been hapening a very long time and is still happening.

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Tue 05/05/20 10:11 AM
Tom. I'm referring to the reporting. The media namely the BBC was very biased to remaining in Europe so wouldn't want to paint a bad picture.

They are doing the same thing with this making out everything is fine over there and we are in pieces.

Imo

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Tue 05/05/20 10:14 AM

Brexit is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
Brexit was an action not a place.

The withdrawal agreement was ratified by the UK on 23 January and by the EU on 30 January; it came into force on 31 January 2020.
Brexit is no longer happening, its over.

The statement "Same all the way through brexit" means it was happening, but no longer is, as of 31 January 2020.

I'm confused how this applies to the current discussion about NEWS censorship in the UK/EU. I was under the impression UK/EU NEWS censorship has been hapening a very long time and is still happening.


I'm not quite sure either.
Censuring of media happens in all countries, I just never quite got why so much from mainland Europe is kept from the UK news. Is it just an island mentality or is it not allowed for another reason. I have no clue.

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Tue 05/05/20 10:17 AM
Edited by Unknow on Tue 05/05/20 10:18 AM
Now British and American security services are fighting cyber attacks mainly from Russia, China and others. Targeting health care and companies trying to find a vaccine

Simple thing to do is for us to stop buying cheap :poop:

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Tue 05/05/20 11:25 AM

Tom. I'm referring to the reporting. The media namely the BBC was very biased to remaining in Europe so wouldn't want to paint a bad picture.

They are doing the same thing with this making out everything is fine over there and we are in pieces.

Imo

Thanx, I now understand your response better.

I believe cyber attacks are not initiated by countries but by individuals and individual groups within those countries.
I also believe some cyber attacks come from within our own countries.

Nearly all sources of NEWS in todays world is censored and has an agenda.
NEWS is heavily opinionated now.

Over the last 100-150 years mankind has gone from a local NEWS awareness to a world awareness. The world NEWS which filters to us is often jaded and misrepresented. Its like a difference from "being there/seeing that" to "He said/She Said/They said".

Many people have a preference for rumor belief over actual experience.
It happens in our daily personal lives and it happens publicly.
How many times have you heard a rumor and believed it to be true without actually witnessing the reality?

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Tue 05/05/20 11:35 AM
True Tom. That's why I try watching a variety of channels. Rt (Russia today) BBC, sky etc

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Tue 05/05/20 12:33 PM
I found out first hand when living in Jakarta how misleading news is. My stepfather was high up there, had a huge network up to the president's son. Hearing from him what happens with the millions that are sent there by us as 'development money'...
And the stories that are reported here back in the Netherlands TOTALLY wrong and not what's going on there at all.
Same as the stories spread here of how we exploited those people, yet in Indonesia somewhat older people who still remember the times the Dutch ruled were sorry we'd left. When we were there everything went smooth, was taken care of, barely corruption and so on.
Kind of like Monty Python's sketch on "What have the Romans ever done for us?!"

So much inaccurate info that is spread around the world...
People here never hear what truly goes on over there.
And I suspect it's like that with most things.

In the Jakarta Post there were often whole sections blacked out. At least they didn't pretend they didn't censure, lol.

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Tue 05/05/20 03:04 PM
Netherland scientists discover antibody against covid in mice .. now looking to see if the same response can be produced in humans ...

http://news.google.com/articles/CBMiSmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm56aGVyYWxkLmNvLm56L3dvcmxkL25ld3MvYXJ0aWNsZS5jZm0_Y19pZD0yJm9iamVjdGlkPTEyMzI5ODAx0gEA?hl=en-NZ&gl=NZ&ceid=NZ%3Aen

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Tue 05/05/20 03:25 PM
Covid update ....Britain and Russia ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12329827

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Wed 05/06/20 07:03 AM

Netherland scientists discover antibody against covid in mice .. now looking to see if the same response can be produced in humans ...

http://news.google.com/articles/CBMiSmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm56aGVyYWxkLmNvLm56L3dvcmxkL25ld3MvYXJ0aWNsZS5jZm0_Y19pZD0yJm9iamVjdGlkPTEyMzI5ODAx0gEA?hl=en-NZ&gl=NZ&ceid=NZ%3Aen

Cool! Wait and see if indeed this works on humans too.


OT - Happy to see that in most European countries it seems to be on the decline, except for the UK. Odd, as the time from first case found until now isn't much different from other countries.

USA not going down yet either, Canada might be, they had 2 better days, wait and see how it develops.

All in all I think we can now say it takes 3 months to get over it for the most part, like in China.
Provided there's not going to be a 2nd wave...
It's becoming increasingly difficult here to keep lockdown intact as people know the numbers are decreasing and they want to go back to normal.

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Wed 05/06/20 09:04 AM
Area of Germany in kilometres 357,386.
Area of the UK 242,495.

London is the second most populated city in the world behind New York.

London has the most people in normal times travelling in and out.

It's all relevant.

Maybe we should have locked down earlier?
But after it's over there will be plenty of maybe's.

So easy after an event.

Like driving home and having an accident. If only I'd of gone the other way, if only I'd of left 1 minute later or earlier.

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Wed 05/06/20 09:36 AM

Area of Germany in kilometres 357,386.
Area of the UK 242,495.

London is the second most populated city in the world behind New York.

London has the most people in normal times travelling in and out.

It's all relevant.

Maybe we should have locked down earlier?
But after it's over there will be plenty of maybe's.

So easy after an event.

Like driving home and having an accident. If only I'd of gone the other way, if only I'd of left 1 minute later or earlier.

Look up numbers, what you're trying to suggest is incorrect and even if population density was a factor... Amsterdam has a higher population density than London, yet Amsterdam was doing really well.
As was The Hague and Rotterdam. Some places with less people were doing bad.
So population density seems a factor but at the same time it seems doubtful. It's downright odd.

Germany's size is irrelevant as they have a lot more people too, and population density not much lower than the UK's. Then again... they did have highest number of cases I believe in Nordrhein Westfalen which has insanely high density.
We on the other hand are a very small country and have a very high population density, highest of the EU (including UK in that too). Yet here the numbers are going down.

So it's only guess work. I wonder if anyone knows (yet) how and why. It's anyone's best guess, and personally, I have none, hihi. It is all too confusing and contradicting.
It's also not a personal attack. I just have interest in these things.

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Wed 05/06/20 09:54 AM
Oh I never thought you would attack personally.
It's just what was on the news

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