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It is actually God who is at work IN us and THRU us, helping us to live an obedient and yielded christian life . We just stay yielded to God's will , while God is the One Who is at work IN us and THRU us !!! 
God's desires have become our desires now....because again, it is actually GOD HIMSELF , WHO is the One at work IN us and THRU us. The Holy Spirit Indwelling all Believers now , enables us to walk the christain walk.... by helping us, teaching us, and by leading and guiding us into ALL TRUTH. The Holy Spirit becomes our Helper now. Miles, A born again believer's sins have been forgiven and covered by the blood of Jesus ...that includes past present and future sins.... that is why The Holy Spirit now, is able to Indwell a born again believer's temple . We have been made clean thru the blood of Jesus....we have been washed in the blood. We now are a clean temple that the Holy Spirit resides in. Also, God's Law is now written on the tablets of our heart. And if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father thru Christ Jesus, that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us of all our unrighteousness. This means christians are saved but not perfect, amd will still slip up..but will not willingly sin. We don't willingly sin.....but if we do slip up (which again, we all will do from time to time while God is perfecting us) , we will grieve the Holy Spirt in us..... and will run to Jesus, crying out for forgivness...simply because we ARE new creatures in Christ Jesus now.....and can no longer willingly STAY in the sin. Miles...Hopes this helps answer some of your questions. 
thats all fine and good. The law is to be written on our hearts because our desire is to keep it as Yahshua kept it. Yahshua to be are Advocate with the father had to keep the Law he gave to Moses from Yahweh.. He was doing Yahweh's will then as he also did when he became the Lamb of Yahweh without blimish. In the sermon on the mount he said be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. with this said and Yahshua being our example was perfect by the keeping of the Law he actually gave Moses from Yahweh. so how can you say that we are not to keep the Law of Moses when Yahshua did and thats what made him sinless.. So a clean Temple is striving to be sinless.. How can you say that that perfection Yahshua said to strive for not be the written Law of Moses on our Hearts from Yahweh?.. Blessings..Miles Miles, Yashua condemed at least one of "Moses' Laws" (divorce). The prophets also condemed a few of "Moses' Laws" (sacrifices for sure). So, if I read one of "Moses's Laws" that contradicts what I feel in my heart, what should I do??? The question is did Yahweh allow divorce? Matt 5:31-32 "Furthermore it has been said,'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce .' 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery. NKJV Matt 19:8-9 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery." NKJV This I need to do more study I will admitt. when searching I can not find where Moses said you can divorce for any reason. If a wife is not a virgin it says u can but thats would be called an annullment today when you do it quickly like it was done. Yet Yahshua speaks of the hardness of thier hearts he allowed it. almost sounds like the law of the pharasees.. The law that was against us. The sacrafises being condemned by the prophets of old I do not know what they are.. maybe you can show me. What laws should you follow? well what Yahshua did for sure and thiers no recorded record of him ever sacraficing yet why would he have to he was sinless. The Torah tells us what is right and what is wrong. studying with a clean heart.. a contrite spirit Yahweh will not despise. Thats a promice. Thats where a clean temple doing the best you know how Yahweh will not despise.. He will show you. The spirit will guide you into all truth.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles Jeremiah 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV) 21Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. 22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. It should be noted that other translations state the opposite of the KJV. IE: that God spoke "not only about" sacrifices... But, if you take other verses from the OT that instruct the Israelites to NOT worship YHWH like the heathens worship their gods, then I figure if they sacrifice, we shouldn't... (which totally agrees with my conscience)... Yahweh is Ticked here Peter. They are living amoung people sacraficing to demons.. Jer 7:16-20 16 "Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you. 17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. 19 Do they provoke Me to anger?" says Yahweh. "Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces?" 20 Therefore thus says Yahweh Elohim: "Behold, My anger and My fury will be poured out on this place — on man and on beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground. And it will burn and not be quenched." NKJV this is what he says right before he says I will not accept your sacrafices.. its like sinning and then saying i am sorry and then sinning again knowing all u have to do is say i am sorry again. He says do as your forefathers did and obey my voice.. stop it NOW.. thats my take on it at least.. Blessings..Miles |
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Jeremiah 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV) 21Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. 22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. It should be noted that other translations state the opposite of the KJV. IE: that God spoke "not only about" sacrifices... But, if you take other verses from the OT that instruct the Israelites to NOT worship YHWH like the heathens worship their gods, then I figure if they sacrifice, we shouldn't... (which totally agrees with my conscience)... Yahweh is Ticked here Peter. They are living amoung people sacraficing to demons.. Jer 7:16-20 16 "Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you. 17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. 19 Do they provoke Me to anger?" says Yahweh. "Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces?" 20 Therefore thus says Yahweh Elohim: "Behold, My anger and My fury will be poured out on this place — on man and on beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground. And it will burn and not be quenched." NKJV this is what he says right before he says I will not accept your sacrafices.. its like sinning and then saying i am sorry and then sinning again knowing all u have to do is say i am sorry again. He says do as your forefathers did and obey my voice.. stop it NOW.. thats my take on it at least.. Blessings..Miles This isn't the only time Israel has been "chastened" by the prophets for their meaningless sacrifices. This is however, one time that "Moses's Law" should come under scrutiny if YHWH did NOT command Moses concerning sacrifices. But this isn't the only time that "the Law" should come under scrutiny either. The Israelites where chastened numerous times for being total fucups... |
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Jeremiah 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV) 21Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. 22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. It should be noted that other translations state the opposite of the KJV. IE: that God spoke "not only about" sacrifices... But, if you take other verses from the OT that instruct the Israelites to NOT worship YHWH like the heathens worship their gods, then I figure if they sacrifice, we shouldn't... (which totally agrees with my conscience)... Yahweh is Ticked here Peter. They are living amoung people sacraficing to demons.. Jer 7:16-20 16 "Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you. 17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. 19 Do they provoke Me to anger?" says Yahweh. "Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces?" 20 Therefore thus says Yahweh Elohim: "Behold, My anger and My fury will be poured out on this place — on man and on beast, on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground. And it will burn and not be quenched." NKJV this is what he says right before he says I will not accept your sacrafices.. its like sinning and then saying i am sorry and then sinning again knowing all u have to do is say i am sorry again. He says do as your forefathers did and obey my voice.. stop it NOW.. thats my take on it at least.. Blessings..Miles This isn't the only time Israel has been "chastened" by the prophets for their meaningless sacrifices. This is however, one time that "Moses's Law" should come under scrutiny if YHWH did NOT command Moses concerning sacrifices. But this isn't the only time that "the Law" should come under scrutiny either. The Israelites where chastened numerous times for being total fucups... Yahweh commanded the sacrafises.. they were a foreshadow of many things to come. Yahshua included. The Israelites got with other nations and took on thier pagan practices. I mean look at chr-stmas a pagan practise everybodie knows and it did not come into the believers untill the 4th century. what would Yahweh say to someone celebrating Satanlia? were getting ready to in 20 days. we do not think about that much because the law is whatever anyone says it is in thier heart. we here that all the time also. The prophets never wanted the job.. they knew what they had to do nobody was going to like. Jonah didn't and Moses didn't.. none of them said me , me pick me. They had to speak for Yahweh and it was never about doing what he said to do in the law if they were not perversing it like the Pharasees did. Yahshua said he was coming back in a wicked and adultrous time. Look what was going on when he came.. Herod and the great slaughter of the Innocent 2 years and under all males. The next Herod when John was baptising had his brothers wife. in the roman community everything that is being done now was being done then.. whatever the imagination wanted. ministers making themselves prophets and messiahs. 2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. NKJV Deceptive words.. some preacher are so good at twisting scripture which they know exactly what they are doing I wonder wow if they would just follow where Yahweh said go it would be great.. but they will not.. thier used to the way things are and they like it. jeremiah's time all over again..Blessings..Miles |
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Edited by
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Mon 12/05/11 09:27 PM
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so how can you say that we are not to keep the Law of Moses when Yahshua did and thats what made him sinless.. So a clean Temple is striving to be sinless.. How can you say that that perfection Yahshua said to strive for not be the written Law of Moses on our Hearts from Yahweh
Ok ... Miles.....I didn't make that statement above....you have me mistaken for someone else .... just saying... |
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How can you be mistaken for anyone else Morningsong? Not many right in blue type.
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Edited by
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Mon 12/05/11 11:09 PM
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Love That New Pic ,Jeannie !!!
(((((((((( Jeannie)))))))
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Edited by
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Mon 12/05/11 11:22 PM
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Since we are on the topic of the law......here's an interesting discussion website( see below ) on the subject : Here is an exert...that says it all: ".....Christians are no longer UNDER the Mosaic law but are UNDER GRACE. BUT BUT BUT.....that DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE GENERAL MORALITY EXPRESSED IN THE LAW HAS CHANGED !!! Nope !!!! It means that what the LAW was POWERLESS TO DO (because of our sinful nature) GOD IS NOW ABLE TO DO WHEN WE WALK IN DEPENDENCE UPON HIM !!!!  <<<< eggnog 
Have a look at Romans 8:3-4 and you'll see that the end result of being under Grace is STILL that the RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW ARE FULFILLED... but they are fulfilled IN US, by the HOLY SPIRIT LIVING AND CHANGING US, NOT by us trying our hardest to live in conformity to the law !!! "
AMEN !!!!!!!
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/questions/whydidGodgivethelaw.htm |
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..............." CHRIST THE SAVIOUR IS BORN "............... Truly He taught us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER; His LAW is LOVE and his GOSPEL is PEACE. Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother; And in His Name all oppression shall cease. Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we, Let all within us praise His Holy Name. Christ is the Lord! O praise His Name forever. His Power and Glory evermore proclaim."
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Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. the eternal question...... "Why Did God Create Man?" answer.... "to tend a garden" |
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Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. jeez God, if you can grow things out of the ground, why did you stick me here, |
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Genesis 2:10
And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it was parted, and became four heads ok...I guess you don't need me to water the garden ... |
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Genesis 2:11
The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasses the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; why is there mention of Gold being in them darn hills ....what would be the point of valuable metals ... I guess Adam can use it to pay tithes |
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Genesis 2:12
And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. is this how God created the root of all evil and is this why Man will love money because it represent Gold and things that God has place value upon ..to obtain these things is to obtain those things on Earth that God valued and that which represent God the more money or things of value you have the more of a God you become, the less money and things of value you have the more of a true believer you becomes |
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Genesis 2:13
And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that encompasses the whole land of Cush Genesis 2:14 And the name of the third river is Tigris: that is it which goes toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. I know that Adam will name the animals but who named the Rivers and land |
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Genesis 2:15
'And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to work it and to keep it. I wonder if God gave Adam any farm tools to till the soil with or is that the reason he create Eve but anyway if the vegetation could grow by itself and the rivers and the rain were there to water the garden why would God need Adam there ...it appears that God placed Adam there so that he could take from the fruit....did God set Adam up |
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Genesis 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: same thing the casinos tell you....after you lost all your money |
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Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die reminds me of the first time I tried to cook spaghetti, ...but anyway It's no reference in the bible that would indicate that Adam had a clue what the concept of "die" was or any indication that God explain the concept to him |
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Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him. cool, then let the helper tend the garden while I go explore the rest of this flat world |
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Genesis 2:19
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: and whatever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. then Adam looked at the animals and said...all of you animals are just stupid, ignorant a_s-holes that don't have the sense that God gave an ant and then God said to Adam...you are suppose to give them names not call them names |
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