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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus - part 2
CowboyGH's photo
Mon 12/05/11 11:39 AM


Faith comes by hearing and from hearing comes a renewed mind to do the works of Yahweh. If you do not grow then you are on stony or bad ground and you will be taken with the tares.. Blessings...Miles




FAITH COMES BY HEARING...AND FROM HEARING COMES A RENEWED MIND TO DO THE WORKS OF YAHWEH ....



YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE THERE, MILES...flowerforyou


BUT.... UNTIL FAITH COMES TO BELIEVE ,AND THE ACTUAL CHANGE OR

REBIRTH WITHIN US HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE( SALVATION ),

WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH, MUCH LESS DO THE

WORKS ( OR AT LEAST NOT FOR VERY LONG ) ....SIMPLY

BECAUSE OUR OLD NATURE JUST CAN'T....AND WILL RESIST !!


OH....OUR OLD NATURE MAY TRY, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL

MISERABLY ...OR EVENTAULLY RESIST OBEYING COMPLETELY.



BUT MILES, HERE'S THE THING:



EVEN IF MAN COULD OBEY COMPLETELY AND DO GOOD WORKS , IT WOULD

STILL STILL STILL BE JUST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN THE EYES OF

GOD, IF A PERSON HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN AGAIN !!!!!!


GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUR RELIGIOUS WORKS, IF WE HAVE

NOT YET ACCEPTED INTO OUR HEART HIS SON, THE ONE GOD SENT US !!!

( THAT BEING YAHWEH OR JESUS ...YAWEH'S SON !!! )


WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, MILES....WHICH ALSO BTW, BRINGS US BACK

INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.


BECOMING BORN AGAIN ALSO REPLACES THE OLD DESIRES IN US

WITH NEW DESIRES ..... GOD'S DESIRES.....

THE DESIRES TO PLEASE GOD!!!


OUR DESIRES NOW HAVE BECOME GODS DESIRES !!!



BUT WORKS AT ATTEMPTING TO OBEY GOD ( WITHOUT FIRST BECOMING

BORN AGAIN ) , IS NOT NOT NOT PLEASING TO GOD, MILES!!

NOT ONE BIT !!!!


WITHOUT BECOMING BORN AGAIN FIRST, OUR WORKS AND OBEDIENCE IS

ONLY JUST DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD......BECAUSE WE ARE STILL

DEAD SPIRTUALLY !!


GOD ALREADY KNEW WE COULDN'T KEEP THE LAW ON OUR

OWN STRENGTH, IN THE FIRST PLACE....THAT IS WHY GOD SENT US

A SAVIOUR !!!


BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF WE COULD KEEP TE LAW, GOD STILL WOULD NOT

BE PLEASED, WITHOUT OUR FIRST FIRST FIRST ACCEPTING THE ONE

HE SENT (HIS SON )!!



BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SALVATION, MILES ?



WE ARE ABLE TO OBEY NOW....AND WILL OBEY GOD NOW ....

WILLINGLY !!!!


AND WITH A GLAD HEART !!!


WHY?


SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN....OUR

SPIRIT HAS NOW BEEN MADE ALIVE AGAIN.....

AND THAT NEW NATURE THAT IS IN US NOW, ALSO GIVES US THE

DESIRE TO PLEASE GOD NOW, WITH A WILLING HEART !!!

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW!!

AMEN!!!


ALSO AFTER BECOMING BORN AGAIN, COMES THE DAILY RENEWING OF

OUR MINDS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN CHRIST JESUS ( YAHWEH).

BUT NOW, THAT IS OUR JOB...TO RENEW OUR MINDS DAILY, THAT IS.


THE RENEWING OF THE MIND COMES BY STAYING IN THE WORD...

MEDITATING ON GOD'S WORD...BUT AGAIN, A BORN AGAIN PERSON IS

GOING TO WANT TO EAT HIS DAILY BREAD( WORD ), ALSO .....BECAUSE

OF A HUNGER IN HIM TO DO SO NOW!!!!


BUT MILES ?


LISTEN NOW.....CAUSE THIS IE VERY IMPORTANT:

WE STILL NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .... JUST TRYING TO RENEW OUR

MIND WITHOUT SALVATION FIRST, WOULD JUST BE RELIGIOUS

WORKS !!!


TRYING TO PLEASE GOD WITH OUR OLD NATURE , IS NOT PLEASING TO

GOD AT ALL....THAT IS WHY GOD SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

THEN,AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, OUR OBEYING AND DOING THE WORKS IS

PLEASING TO GOD!!!!


AFTERWARDS !!!!!


NOT BEFORE SALVATION !!!

LISTENING??

CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:

GOD IS PLEASED WITH OUR OBEDIENCE AND WORKS ...BUT ONLY

AFTER AFTER AFTER WE ARE SAVED !!!!

NOT BEFORE !!!

BEFORE SALVATION, OUR TRYING TO BE OBEDIENCT AND DO GOOD WORKS,

IS JUST DEAD RELGIOUS WORKS TO GOD...NOTHING MORE....AND DOES

NOT NOT NOT PLEASE GOD IN THE LEAST, WITHOUT SALVATION

TAKING PLACE FIRST !!!


GOD SAID," YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. "



:heart::heart::heart:




1st jc is not Yahweh niether is Yahshua he came in the name of the father John 5:43 ..you can not change that.

2nd.. when have I ever said you do not need to be born again?

thier is a big difference between those who say they believe and those who say they do not. you must be born again to believe.

3rd.. Yahshua what made him perfect?

was it the law?

so apperently keeping the law perfectly is possible but know one has ever done it except him.. thats why no sacrafice could ever exceed his.

so all would be done in vain.

yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.

So let me ask you also.. If Yahshua kept his Temple clean by the works of the Law.. How do you keep yours clean? Blessings... Miles


1st - Yes he came in the father's name. He came to do the father's will.

2nd - One is born again when they give themselves over to our father. When they lay down their life and pick up the one God has set out before us. The moment one gives entire authority to God over them and obeys the law.

3rd - Jesus was perfect in every way, he did not commit one sin. He was pure.


yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.


Exactly, once one puts faith in God, they open the door for God to come into the temple. Once God is in the temple it is your job to maintain it, keeping it clean through obedience to the law and not allowing it to become diseased with sin.

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Mon 12/05/11 12:48 PM

Mistranslation of the word 'rib'(english).

God took a 'womb' from adam...

From which womb(rib) came Eve.

the word translated as 'rib' (in its use within Genesis) should read 'womb'...

Look it up.

don't take my word for it. Try a good search engine.




AdventureBegins ....would it not take a quantum leap for the translators of the bible to mistranslate a womb into a rib ....if "In The beginning" Adam actually had a womb it would give a whole new meaning to "let us make Man in our own image" ...it would also suggest that God was an hermaphrodite and Adam started off as one with the ability to reproduce asexually

also whatever God pulled out of Adam, wouldn't it have grown back in his offsprings ....a taken rib from Adam would have grown back in Cain and/or Abel ...but I guess the question would be if Cain and/or Abel had a womb...

but anyway it wasn't about what God took out...if was about if Adam had the "Free Will" to make the decision or not to have anything removed

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Mon 12/05/11 12:52 PM



God speaks to everyone. Some people don't listen.


JennieBean...or perhaps some people don't hear voices....exactly how do you know that it's God that is speaking


God speaks to those who listen.


so if you don't heard voices, then God is not speaking
but if you do hear voices, then it's God that is speaking

that's delusional



Funches I don't heard the voice of God. I realize that God is within me.

The voice of God is not a voice but a feeling and an inspiration.

It is my own soul, infused with love and the joy of living.



could be gas

you have yet to tell why it's God

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Mon 12/05/11 01:10 PM




God speaks to everyone. Some people don't listen.


JennieBean...or perhaps some people don't hear voices....exactly how do you know that it's God that is speaking


God speaks to those who listen.


so if you don't heard voices, then God is not speaking
but if you do hear voices, then it's God that is speaking

that's delusional



Funches I don't heard the voice of God. I realize that God is within me.

The voice of God is not a voice but a feeling and an inspiration.

It is my own soul, infused with love and the joy of living.



could be gas

you have yet to tell why it's God



Because I know who I am.

I am that I am.

I AM.


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Mon 12/05/11 01:31 PM





God speaks to everyone. Some people don't listen.


JennieBean...or perhaps some people don't hear voices....exactly how do you know that it's God that is speaking


God speaks to those who listen.


so if you don't heard voices, then God is not speaking
but if you do hear voices, then it's God that is speaking

that's delusional



Funches I don't heard the voice of God. I realize that God is within me.

The voice of God is not a voice but a feeling and an inspiration.

It is my own soul, infused with love and the joy of living.



could be gas

you have yet to tell why it's God



Because I know who I am.

I am that I am.

I AM.




"I AM" equates to your awareness not God's presence

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 12/05/11 02:16 PM



Faith comes by hearing and from hearing comes a renewed mind to do the works of Yahweh. If you do not grow then you are on stony or bad ground and you will be taken with the tares.. Blessings...Miles




FAITH COMES BY HEARING...AND FROM HEARING COMES A RENEWED MIND TO DO THE WORKS OF YAHWEH ....



YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE THERE, MILES...flowerforyou


BUT.... UNTIL FAITH COMES TO BELIEVE ,AND THE ACTUAL CHANGE OR

REBIRTH WITHIN US HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE( SALVATION ),

WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH, MUCH LESS DO THE

WORKS ( OR AT LEAST NOT FOR VERY LONG ) ....SIMPLY

BECAUSE OUR OLD NATURE JUST CAN'T....AND WILL RESIST !!


OH....OUR OLD NATURE MAY TRY, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL

MISERABLY ...OR EVENTAULLY RESIST OBEYING COMPLETELY.



BUT MILES, HERE'S THE THING:



EVEN IF MAN COULD OBEY COMPLETELY AND DO GOOD WORKS , IT WOULD

STILL STILL STILL BE JUST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN THE EYES OF

GOD, IF A PERSON HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN AGAIN !!!!!!


GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUR RELIGIOUS WORKS, IF WE HAVE

NOT YET ACCEPTED INTO OUR HEART HIS SON, THE ONE GOD SENT US !!!

( THAT BEING YAHWEH OR JESUS ...YAWEH'S SON !!! )


WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, MILES....WHICH ALSO BTW, BRINGS US BACK

INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.


BECOMING BORN AGAIN ALSO REPLACES THE OLD DESIRES IN US

WITH NEW DESIRES ..... GOD'S DESIRES.....

THE DESIRES TO PLEASE GOD!!!


OUR DESIRES NOW HAVE BECOME GODS DESIRES !!!



BUT WORKS AT ATTEMPTING TO OBEY GOD ( WITHOUT FIRST BECOMING

BORN AGAIN ) , IS NOT NOT NOT PLEASING TO GOD, MILES!!

NOT ONE BIT !!!!


WITHOUT BECOMING BORN AGAIN FIRST, OUR WORKS AND OBEDIENCE IS

ONLY JUST DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD......BECAUSE WE ARE STILL

DEAD SPIRTUALLY !!


GOD ALREADY KNEW WE COULDN'T KEEP THE LAW ON OUR

OWN STRENGTH, IN THE FIRST PLACE....THAT IS WHY GOD SENT US

A SAVIOUR !!!


BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF WE COULD KEEP TE LAW, GOD STILL WOULD NOT

BE PLEASED, WITHOUT OUR FIRST FIRST FIRST ACCEPTING THE ONE

HE SENT (HIS SON )!!



BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SALVATION, MILES ?



WE ARE ABLE TO OBEY NOW....AND WILL OBEY GOD NOW ....

WILLINGLY !!!!


AND WITH A GLAD HEART !!!


WHY?


SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN....OUR

SPIRIT HAS NOW BEEN MADE ALIVE AGAIN.....

AND THAT NEW NATURE THAT IS IN US NOW, ALSO GIVES US THE

DESIRE TO PLEASE GOD NOW, WITH A WILLING HEART !!!

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW!!

AMEN!!!


ALSO AFTER BECOMING BORN AGAIN, COMES THE DAILY RENEWING OF

OUR MINDS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN CHRIST JESUS ( YAHWEH).

BUT NOW, THAT IS OUR JOB...TO RENEW OUR MINDS DAILY, THAT IS.


THE RENEWING OF THE MIND COMES BY STAYING IN THE WORD...

MEDITATING ON GOD'S WORD...BUT AGAIN, A BORN AGAIN PERSON IS

GOING TO WANT TO EAT HIS DAILY BREAD( WORD ), ALSO .....BECAUSE

OF A HUNGER IN HIM TO DO SO NOW!!!!


BUT MILES ?


LISTEN NOW.....CAUSE THIS IE VERY IMPORTANT:

WE STILL NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .... JUST TRYING TO RENEW OUR

MIND WITHOUT SALVATION FIRST, WOULD JUST BE RELIGIOUS

WORKS !!!


TRYING TO PLEASE GOD WITH OUR OLD NATURE , IS NOT PLEASING TO

GOD AT ALL....THAT IS WHY GOD SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

THEN,AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, OUR OBEYING AND DOING THE WORKS IS

PLEASING TO GOD!!!!


AFTERWARDS !!!!!


NOT BEFORE SALVATION !!!

LISTENING??

CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:

GOD IS PLEASED WITH OUR OBEDIENCE AND WORKS ...BUT ONLY

AFTER AFTER AFTER WE ARE SAVED !!!!

NOT BEFORE !!!

BEFORE SALVATION, OUR TRYING TO BE OBEDIENCT AND DO GOOD WORKS,

IS JUST DEAD RELGIOUS WORKS TO GOD...NOTHING MORE....AND DOES

NOT NOT NOT PLEASE GOD IN THE LEAST, WITHOUT SALVATION

TAKING PLACE FIRST !!!


GOD SAID," YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. "



:heart::heart::heart:




1st jc is not Yahweh niether is Yahshua he came in the name of the father John 5:43 ..you can not change that.

2nd.. when have I ever said you do not need to be born again?

thier is a big difference between those who say they believe and those who say they do not. you must be born again to believe.

3rd.. Yahshua what made him perfect?

was it the law?

so apperently keeping the law perfectly is possible but know one has ever done it except him.. thats why no sacrafice could ever exceed his.

so all would be done in vain.

yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.

So let me ask you also.. If Yahshua kept his Temple clean by the works of the Law.. How do you keep yours clean? Blessings... Miles


1st - Yes he came in the father's name. He came to do the father's will.

2nd - One is born again when they give themselves over to our father. When they lay down their life and pick up the one God has set out before us. The moment one gives entire authority to God over them and obeys the law.

3rd - Jesus was perfect in every way, he did not commit one sin. He was pure.


yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.


Exactly, once one puts faith in God, they open the door for God to come into the temple. Once God is in the temple it is your job to maintain it, keeping it clean through obedience to the law and not allowing it to become diseased with sin.


How do we know what sin is?

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 12/05/11 02:32 PM




Faith comes by hearing and from hearing comes a renewed mind to do the works of Yahweh. If you do not grow then you are on stony or bad ground and you will be taken with the tares.. Blessings...Miles




FAITH COMES BY HEARING...AND FROM HEARING COMES A RENEWED MIND TO DO THE WORKS OF YAHWEH ....



YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE THERE, MILES...flowerforyou


BUT.... UNTIL FAITH COMES TO BELIEVE ,AND THE ACTUAL CHANGE OR

REBIRTH WITHIN US HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE( SALVATION ),

WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH, MUCH LESS DO THE

WORKS ( OR AT LEAST NOT FOR VERY LONG ) ....SIMPLY

BECAUSE OUR OLD NATURE JUST CAN'T....AND WILL RESIST !!


OH....OUR OLD NATURE MAY TRY, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL

MISERABLY ...OR EVENTAULLY RESIST OBEYING COMPLETELY.



BUT MILES, HERE'S THE THING:



EVEN IF MAN COULD OBEY COMPLETELY AND DO GOOD WORKS , IT WOULD

STILL STILL STILL BE JUST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN THE EYES OF

GOD, IF A PERSON HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN AGAIN !!!!!!


GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUR RELIGIOUS WORKS, IF WE HAVE

NOT YET ACCEPTED INTO OUR HEART HIS SON, THE ONE GOD SENT US !!!

( THAT BEING YAHWEH OR JESUS ...YAWEH'S SON !!! )


WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, MILES....WHICH ALSO BTW, BRINGS US BACK

INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.


BECOMING BORN AGAIN ALSO REPLACES THE OLD DESIRES IN US

WITH NEW DESIRES ..... GOD'S DESIRES.....

THE DESIRES TO PLEASE GOD!!!


OUR DESIRES NOW HAVE BECOME GODS DESIRES !!!



BUT WORKS AT ATTEMPTING TO OBEY GOD ( WITHOUT FIRST BECOMING

BORN AGAIN ) , IS NOT NOT NOT PLEASING TO GOD, MILES!!

NOT ONE BIT !!!!


WITHOUT BECOMING BORN AGAIN FIRST, OUR WORKS AND OBEDIENCE IS

ONLY JUST DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD......BECAUSE WE ARE STILL

DEAD SPIRTUALLY !!


GOD ALREADY KNEW WE COULDN'T KEEP THE LAW ON OUR

OWN STRENGTH, IN THE FIRST PLACE....THAT IS WHY GOD SENT US

A SAVIOUR !!!


BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF WE COULD KEEP TE LAW, GOD STILL WOULD NOT

BE PLEASED, WITHOUT OUR FIRST FIRST FIRST ACCEPTING THE ONE

HE SENT (HIS SON )!!



BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SALVATION, MILES ?



WE ARE ABLE TO OBEY NOW....AND WILL OBEY GOD NOW ....

WILLINGLY !!!!


AND WITH A GLAD HEART !!!


WHY?


SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN....OUR

SPIRIT HAS NOW BEEN MADE ALIVE AGAIN.....

AND THAT NEW NATURE THAT IS IN US NOW, ALSO GIVES US THE

DESIRE TO PLEASE GOD NOW, WITH A WILLING HEART !!!

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW!!

AMEN!!!


ALSO AFTER BECOMING BORN AGAIN, COMES THE DAILY RENEWING OF

OUR MINDS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN CHRIST JESUS ( YAHWEH).

BUT NOW, THAT IS OUR JOB...TO RENEW OUR MINDS DAILY, THAT IS.


THE RENEWING OF THE MIND COMES BY STAYING IN THE WORD...

MEDITATING ON GOD'S WORD...BUT AGAIN, A BORN AGAIN PERSON IS

GOING TO WANT TO EAT HIS DAILY BREAD( WORD ), ALSO .....BECAUSE

OF A HUNGER IN HIM TO DO SO NOW!!!!


BUT MILES ?


LISTEN NOW.....CAUSE THIS IE VERY IMPORTANT:

WE STILL NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .... JUST TRYING TO RENEW OUR

MIND WITHOUT SALVATION FIRST, WOULD JUST BE RELIGIOUS

WORKS !!!


TRYING TO PLEASE GOD WITH OUR OLD NATURE , IS NOT PLEASING TO

GOD AT ALL....THAT IS WHY GOD SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

THEN,AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, OUR OBEYING AND DOING THE WORKS IS

PLEASING TO GOD!!!!


AFTERWARDS !!!!!


NOT BEFORE SALVATION !!!

LISTENING??

CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:

GOD IS PLEASED WITH OUR OBEDIENCE AND WORKS ...BUT ONLY

AFTER AFTER AFTER WE ARE SAVED !!!!

NOT BEFORE !!!

BEFORE SALVATION, OUR TRYING TO BE OBEDIENCT AND DO GOOD WORKS,

IS JUST DEAD RELGIOUS WORKS TO GOD...NOTHING MORE....AND DOES

NOT NOT NOT PLEASE GOD IN THE LEAST, WITHOUT SALVATION

TAKING PLACE FIRST !!!


GOD SAID," YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. "



:heart::heart::heart:




1st jc is not Yahweh niether is Yahshua he came in the name of the father John 5:43 ..you can not change that.

2nd.. when have I ever said you do not need to be born again?

thier is a big difference between those who say they believe and those who say they do not. you must be born again to believe.

3rd.. Yahshua what made him perfect?

was it the law?

so apperently keeping the law perfectly is possible but know one has ever done it except him.. thats why no sacrafice could ever exceed his.

so all would be done in vain.

yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.

So let me ask you also.. If Yahshua kept his Temple clean by the works of the Law.. How do you keep yours clean? Blessings... Miles


1st - Yes he came in the father's name. He came to do the father's will.

2nd - One is born again when they give themselves over to our father. When they lay down their life and pick up the one God has set out before us. The moment one gives entire authority to God over them and obeys the law.

3rd - Jesus was perfect in every way, he did not commit one sin. He was pure.


yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.


Exactly, once one puts faith in God, they open the door for God to come into the temple. Once God is in the temple it is your job to maintain it, keeping it clean through obedience to the law and not allowing it to become diseased with sin.


How do we know what sin is?


Sin is going against God's will.

Sin - transgression of the law of God

One must put their faith in what they believe to be God's law. Christians place faith that Jesus is God, so we obey the laws he has given us.

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Mon 12/05/11 02:39 PM

"I AM" equates to your awareness not God's presence


Says who?

You have not defined who God even is.

I AM THAT.

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Mon 12/05/11 02:40 PM
Sin is going against God's will.


Then I do not sin.

My will and God's will are the same.

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 12/05/11 02:49 PM

Sin is going against God's will.


Then I do not sin.

My will and God's will are the same.



Good to hear :)

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 12/05/11 03:01 PM





Faith comes by hearing and from hearing comes a renewed mind to do the works of Yahweh. If you do not grow then you are on stony or bad ground and you will be taken with the tares.. Blessings...Miles




FAITH COMES BY HEARING...AND FROM HEARING COMES A RENEWED MIND TO DO THE WORKS OF YAHWEH ....



YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE THERE, MILES...flowerforyou


BUT.... UNTIL FAITH COMES TO BELIEVE ,AND THE ACTUAL CHANGE OR

REBIRTH WITHIN US HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE( SALVATION ),

WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH, MUCH LESS DO THE

WORKS ( OR AT LEAST NOT FOR VERY LONG ) ....SIMPLY

BECAUSE OUR OLD NATURE JUST CAN'T....AND WILL RESIST !!


OH....OUR OLD NATURE MAY TRY, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL

MISERABLY ...OR EVENTAULLY RESIST OBEYING COMPLETELY.



BUT MILES, HERE'S THE THING:



EVEN IF MAN COULD OBEY COMPLETELY AND DO GOOD WORKS , IT WOULD

STILL STILL STILL BE JUST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN THE EYES OF

GOD, IF A PERSON HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN AGAIN !!!!!!


GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUR RELIGIOUS WORKS, IF WE HAVE

NOT YET ACCEPTED INTO OUR HEART HIS SON, THE ONE GOD SENT US !!!

( THAT BEING YAHWEH OR JESUS ...YAWEH'S SON !!! )


WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, MILES....WHICH ALSO BTW, BRINGS US BACK

INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.


BECOMING BORN AGAIN ALSO REPLACES THE OLD DESIRES IN US

WITH NEW DESIRES ..... GOD'S DESIRES.....

THE DESIRES TO PLEASE GOD!!!


OUR DESIRES NOW HAVE BECOME GODS DESIRES !!!



BUT WORKS AT ATTEMPTING TO OBEY GOD ( WITHOUT FIRST BECOMING

BORN AGAIN ) , IS NOT NOT NOT PLEASING TO GOD, MILES!!

NOT ONE BIT !!!!


WITHOUT BECOMING BORN AGAIN FIRST, OUR WORKS AND OBEDIENCE IS

ONLY JUST DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD......BECAUSE WE ARE STILL

DEAD SPIRTUALLY !!


GOD ALREADY KNEW WE COULDN'T KEEP THE LAW ON OUR

OWN STRENGTH, IN THE FIRST PLACE....THAT IS WHY GOD SENT US

A SAVIOUR !!!


BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF WE COULD KEEP TE LAW, GOD STILL WOULD NOT

BE PLEASED, WITHOUT OUR FIRST FIRST FIRST ACCEPTING THE ONE

HE SENT (HIS SON )!!



BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SALVATION, MILES ?



WE ARE ABLE TO OBEY NOW....AND WILL OBEY GOD NOW ....

WILLINGLY !!!!


AND WITH A GLAD HEART !!!


WHY?


SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN....OUR

SPIRIT HAS NOW BEEN MADE ALIVE AGAIN.....

AND THAT NEW NATURE THAT IS IN US NOW, ALSO GIVES US THE

DESIRE TO PLEASE GOD NOW, WITH A WILLING HEART !!!

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW!!

AMEN!!!


ALSO AFTER BECOMING BORN AGAIN, COMES THE DAILY RENEWING OF

OUR MINDS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN CHRIST JESUS ( YAHWEH).

BUT NOW, THAT IS OUR JOB...TO RENEW OUR MINDS DAILY, THAT IS.


THE RENEWING OF THE MIND COMES BY STAYING IN THE WORD...

MEDITATING ON GOD'S WORD...BUT AGAIN, A BORN AGAIN PERSON IS

GOING TO WANT TO EAT HIS DAILY BREAD( WORD ), ALSO .....BECAUSE

OF A HUNGER IN HIM TO DO SO NOW!!!!


BUT MILES ?


LISTEN NOW.....CAUSE THIS IE VERY IMPORTANT:

WE STILL NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .... JUST TRYING TO RENEW OUR

MIND WITHOUT SALVATION FIRST, WOULD JUST BE RELIGIOUS

WORKS !!!


TRYING TO PLEASE GOD WITH OUR OLD NATURE , IS NOT PLEASING TO

GOD AT ALL....THAT IS WHY GOD SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

THEN,AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, OUR OBEYING AND DOING THE WORKS IS

PLEASING TO GOD!!!!


AFTERWARDS !!!!!


NOT BEFORE SALVATION !!!

LISTENING??

CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:

GOD IS PLEASED WITH OUR OBEDIENCE AND WORKS ...BUT ONLY

AFTER AFTER AFTER WE ARE SAVED !!!!

NOT BEFORE !!!

BEFORE SALVATION, OUR TRYING TO BE OBEDIENCT AND DO GOOD WORKS,

IS JUST DEAD RELGIOUS WORKS TO GOD...NOTHING MORE....AND DOES

NOT NOT NOT PLEASE GOD IN THE LEAST, WITHOUT SALVATION

TAKING PLACE FIRST !!!


GOD SAID," YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. "



:heart::heart::heart:




1st jc is not Yahweh niether is Yahshua he came in the name of the father John 5:43 ..you can not change that.

2nd.. when have I ever said you do not need to be born again?

thier is a big difference between those who say they believe and those who say they do not. you must be born again to believe.

3rd.. Yahshua what made him perfect?

was it the law?

so apperently keeping the law perfectly is possible but know one has ever done it except him.. thats why no sacrafice could ever exceed his.

so all would be done in vain.

yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.

So let me ask you also.. If Yahshua kept his Temple clean by the works of the Law.. How do you keep yours clean? Blessings... Miles


1st - Yes he came in the father's name. He came to do the father's will.

2nd - One is born again when they give themselves over to our father. When they lay down their life and pick up the one God has set out before us. The moment one gives entire authority to God over them and obeys the law.

3rd - Jesus was perfect in every way, he did not commit one sin. He was pure.


yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.


Exactly, once one puts faith in God, they open the door for God to come into the temple. Once God is in the temple it is your job to maintain it, keeping it clean through obedience to the law and not allowing it to become diseased with sin.


How do we know what sin is?


Sin is going against God's will.

Sin - transgression of the law of God

One must put their faith in what they believe to be God's law. Christians place faith that Jesus is God, so we obey the laws he has given us.


then the law of Moses is still in effect except for the sacrafices sence we are the temple?

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 12/05/11 03:51 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 12/05/11 03:52 PM






Faith comes by hearing and from hearing comes a renewed mind to do the works of Yahweh. If you do not grow then you are on stony or bad ground and you will be taken with the tares.. Blessings...Miles




FAITH COMES BY HEARING...AND FROM HEARING COMES A RENEWED MIND TO DO THE WORKS OF YAHWEH ....



YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE THERE, MILES...flowerforyou


BUT.... UNTIL FAITH COMES TO BELIEVE ,AND THE ACTUAL CHANGE OR

REBIRTH WITHIN US HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE( SALVATION ),

WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH, MUCH LESS DO THE

WORKS ( OR AT LEAST NOT FOR VERY LONG ) ....SIMPLY

BECAUSE OUR OLD NATURE JUST CAN'T....AND WILL RESIST !!


OH....OUR OLD NATURE MAY TRY, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL

MISERABLY ...OR EVENTAULLY RESIST OBEYING COMPLETELY.



BUT MILES, HERE'S THE THING:



EVEN IF MAN COULD OBEY COMPLETELY AND DO GOOD WORKS , IT WOULD

STILL STILL STILL BE JUST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN THE EYES OF

GOD, IF A PERSON HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN AGAIN !!!!!!


GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUR RELIGIOUS WORKS, IF WE HAVE

NOT YET ACCEPTED INTO OUR HEART HIS SON, THE ONE GOD SENT US !!!

( THAT BEING YAHWEH OR JESUS ...YAWEH'S SON !!! )


WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, MILES....WHICH ALSO BTW, BRINGS US BACK

INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.


BECOMING BORN AGAIN ALSO REPLACES THE OLD DESIRES IN US

WITH NEW DESIRES ..... GOD'S DESIRES.....

THE DESIRES TO PLEASE GOD!!!


OUR DESIRES NOW HAVE BECOME GODS DESIRES !!!



BUT WORKS AT ATTEMPTING TO OBEY GOD ( WITHOUT FIRST BECOMING

BORN AGAIN ) , IS NOT NOT NOT PLEASING TO GOD, MILES!!

NOT ONE BIT !!!!


WITHOUT BECOMING BORN AGAIN FIRST, OUR WORKS AND OBEDIENCE IS

ONLY JUST DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD......BECAUSE WE ARE STILL

DEAD SPIRTUALLY !!


GOD ALREADY KNEW WE COULDN'T KEEP THE LAW ON OUR

OWN STRENGTH, IN THE FIRST PLACE....THAT IS WHY GOD SENT US

A SAVIOUR !!!


BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF WE COULD KEEP TE LAW, GOD STILL WOULD NOT

BE PLEASED, WITHOUT OUR FIRST FIRST FIRST ACCEPTING THE ONE

HE SENT (HIS SON )!!



BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SALVATION, MILES ?



WE ARE ABLE TO OBEY NOW....AND WILL OBEY GOD NOW ....

WILLINGLY !!!!


AND WITH A GLAD HEART !!!


WHY?


SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN....OUR

SPIRIT HAS NOW BEEN MADE ALIVE AGAIN.....

AND THAT NEW NATURE THAT IS IN US NOW, ALSO GIVES US THE

DESIRE TO PLEASE GOD NOW, WITH A WILLING HEART !!!

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW!!

AMEN!!!


ALSO AFTER BECOMING BORN AGAIN, COMES THE DAILY RENEWING OF

OUR MINDS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN CHRIST JESUS ( YAHWEH).

BUT NOW, THAT IS OUR JOB...TO RENEW OUR MINDS DAILY, THAT IS.


THE RENEWING OF THE MIND COMES BY STAYING IN THE WORD...

MEDITATING ON GOD'S WORD...BUT AGAIN, A BORN AGAIN PERSON IS

GOING TO WANT TO EAT HIS DAILY BREAD( WORD ), ALSO .....BECAUSE

OF A HUNGER IN HIM TO DO SO NOW!!!!


BUT MILES ?


LISTEN NOW.....CAUSE THIS IE VERY IMPORTANT:

WE STILL NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .... JUST TRYING TO RENEW OUR

MIND WITHOUT SALVATION FIRST, WOULD JUST BE RELIGIOUS

WORKS !!!


TRYING TO PLEASE GOD WITH OUR OLD NATURE , IS NOT PLEASING TO

GOD AT ALL....THAT IS WHY GOD SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

THEN,AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, OUR OBEYING AND DOING THE WORKS IS

PLEASING TO GOD!!!!


AFTERWARDS !!!!!


NOT BEFORE SALVATION !!!

LISTENING??

CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:

GOD IS PLEASED WITH OUR OBEDIENCE AND WORKS ...BUT ONLY

AFTER AFTER AFTER WE ARE SAVED !!!!

NOT BEFORE !!!

BEFORE SALVATION, OUR TRYING TO BE OBEDIENCT AND DO GOOD WORKS,

IS JUST DEAD RELGIOUS WORKS TO GOD...NOTHING MORE....AND DOES

NOT NOT NOT PLEASE GOD IN THE LEAST, WITHOUT SALVATION

TAKING PLACE FIRST !!!


GOD SAID," YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. "



:heart::heart::heart:




1st jc is not Yahweh niether is Yahshua he came in the name of the father John 5:43 ..you can not change that.

2nd.. when have I ever said you do not need to be born again?

thier is a big difference between those who say they believe and those who say they do not. you must be born again to believe.

3rd.. Yahshua what made him perfect?

was it the law?

so apperently keeping the law perfectly is possible but know one has ever done it except him.. thats why no sacrafice could ever exceed his.

so all would be done in vain.

yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.

So let me ask you also.. If Yahshua kept his Temple clean by the works of the Law.. How do you keep yours clean? Blessings... Miles


1st - Yes he came in the father's name. He came to do the father's will.

2nd - One is born again when they give themselves over to our father. When they lay down their life and pick up the one God has set out before us. The moment one gives entire authority to God over them and obeys the law.

3rd - Jesus was perfect in every way, he did not commit one sin. He was pure.


yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.


Exactly, once one puts faith in God, they open the door for God to come into the temple. Once God is in the temple it is your job to maintain it, keeping it clean through obedience to the law and not allowing it to become diseased with sin.


How do we know what sin is?


Sin is going against God's will.

Sin - transgression of the law of God

One must put their faith in what they believe to be God's law. Christians place faith that Jesus is God, so we obey the laws he has given us.


then the law of Moses is still in effect except for the sacrafices sence we are the temple?


??? Moses law has nothing to do with our bodies being the temple of God.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 12/05/11 04:14 PM







Faith comes by hearing and from hearing comes a renewed mind to do the works of Yahweh. If you do not grow then you are on stony or bad ground and you will be taken with the tares.. Blessings...Miles




FAITH COMES BY HEARING...AND FROM HEARING COMES A RENEWED MIND TO DO THE WORKS OF YAHWEH ....



YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE THERE, MILES...flowerforyou


BUT.... UNTIL FAITH COMES TO BELIEVE ,AND THE ACTUAL CHANGE OR

REBIRTH WITHIN US HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE( SALVATION ),

WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH, MUCH LESS DO THE

WORKS ( OR AT LEAST NOT FOR VERY LONG ) ....SIMPLY

BECAUSE OUR OLD NATURE JUST CAN'T....AND WILL RESIST !!


OH....OUR OLD NATURE MAY TRY, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL

MISERABLY ...OR EVENTAULLY RESIST OBEYING COMPLETELY.



BUT MILES, HERE'S THE THING:



EVEN IF MAN COULD OBEY COMPLETELY AND DO GOOD WORKS , IT WOULD

STILL STILL STILL BE JUST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN THE EYES OF

GOD, IF A PERSON HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN AGAIN !!!!!!


GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUR RELIGIOUS WORKS, IF WE HAVE

NOT YET ACCEPTED INTO OUR HEART HIS SON, THE ONE GOD SENT US !!!

( THAT BEING YAHWEH OR JESUS ...YAWEH'S SON !!! )


WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, MILES....WHICH ALSO BTW, BRINGS US BACK

INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.


BECOMING BORN AGAIN ALSO REPLACES THE OLD DESIRES IN US

WITH NEW DESIRES ..... GOD'S DESIRES.....

THE DESIRES TO PLEASE GOD!!!


OUR DESIRES NOW HAVE BECOME GODS DESIRES !!!



BUT WORKS AT ATTEMPTING TO OBEY GOD ( WITHOUT FIRST BECOMING

BORN AGAIN ) , IS NOT NOT NOT PLEASING TO GOD, MILES!!

NOT ONE BIT !!!!


WITHOUT BECOMING BORN AGAIN FIRST, OUR WORKS AND OBEDIENCE IS

ONLY JUST DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD......BECAUSE WE ARE STILL

DEAD SPIRTUALLY !!


GOD ALREADY KNEW WE COULDN'T KEEP THE LAW ON OUR

OWN STRENGTH, IN THE FIRST PLACE....THAT IS WHY GOD SENT US

A SAVIOUR !!!


BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF WE COULD KEEP TE LAW, GOD STILL WOULD NOT

BE PLEASED, WITHOUT OUR FIRST FIRST FIRST ACCEPTING THE ONE

HE SENT (HIS SON )!!



BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SALVATION, MILES ?



WE ARE ABLE TO OBEY NOW....AND WILL OBEY GOD NOW ....

WILLINGLY !!!!


AND WITH A GLAD HEART !!!


WHY?


SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN....OUR

SPIRIT HAS NOW BEEN MADE ALIVE AGAIN.....

AND THAT NEW NATURE THAT IS IN US NOW, ALSO GIVES US THE

DESIRE TO PLEASE GOD NOW, WITH A WILLING HEART !!!

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW!!

AMEN!!!


ALSO AFTER BECOMING BORN AGAIN, COMES THE DAILY RENEWING OF

OUR MINDS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN CHRIST JESUS ( YAHWEH).

BUT NOW, THAT IS OUR JOB...TO RENEW OUR MINDS DAILY, THAT IS.


THE RENEWING OF THE MIND COMES BY STAYING IN THE WORD...

MEDITATING ON GOD'S WORD...BUT AGAIN, A BORN AGAIN PERSON IS

GOING TO WANT TO EAT HIS DAILY BREAD( WORD ), ALSO .....BECAUSE

OF A HUNGER IN HIM TO DO SO NOW!!!!


BUT MILES ?


LISTEN NOW.....CAUSE THIS IE VERY IMPORTANT:

WE STILL NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .... JUST TRYING TO RENEW OUR

MIND WITHOUT SALVATION FIRST, WOULD JUST BE RELIGIOUS

WORKS !!!


TRYING TO PLEASE GOD WITH OUR OLD NATURE , IS NOT PLEASING TO

GOD AT ALL....THAT IS WHY GOD SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

THEN,AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, OUR OBEYING AND DOING THE WORKS IS

PLEASING TO GOD!!!!


AFTERWARDS !!!!!


NOT BEFORE SALVATION !!!

LISTENING??

CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:

GOD IS PLEASED WITH OUR OBEDIENCE AND WORKS ...BUT ONLY

AFTER AFTER AFTER WE ARE SAVED !!!!

NOT BEFORE !!!

BEFORE SALVATION, OUR TRYING TO BE OBEDIENCT AND DO GOOD WORKS,

IS JUST DEAD RELGIOUS WORKS TO GOD...NOTHING MORE....AND DOES

NOT NOT NOT PLEASE GOD IN THE LEAST, WITHOUT SALVATION

TAKING PLACE FIRST !!!


GOD SAID," YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. "



:heart::heart::heart:




1st jc is not Yahweh niether is Yahshua he came in the name of the father John 5:43 ..you can not change that.

2nd.. when have I ever said you do not need to be born again?

thier is a big difference between those who say they believe and those who say they do not. you must be born again to believe.

3rd.. Yahshua what made him perfect?

was it the law?

so apperently keeping the law perfectly is possible but know one has ever done it except him.. thats why no sacrafice could ever exceed his.

so all would be done in vain.

yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.

So let me ask you also.. If Yahshua kept his Temple clean by the works of the Law.. How do you keep yours clean? Blessings... Miles


1st - Yes he came in the father's name. He came to do the father's will.

2nd - One is born again when they give themselves over to our father. When they lay down their life and pick up the one God has set out before us. The moment one gives entire authority to God over them and obeys the law.

3rd - Jesus was perfect in every way, he did not commit one sin. He was pure.


yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.


Exactly, once one puts faith in God, they open the door for God to come into the temple. Once God is in the temple it is your job to maintain it, keeping it clean through obedience to the law and not allowing it to become diseased with sin.


How do we know what sin is?


Sin is going against God's will.

Sin - transgression of the law of God

One must put their faith in what they believe to be God's law. Christians place faith that Jesus is God, so we obey the laws he has given us.


then the law of Moses is still in effect except for the sacrafices sence we are the temple?


??? Moses law has nothing to do with our bodies being the temple of God.


If the law given to Moses from Yahweh is not the definition of sin.. Then what is sin since you have already said its what Yahshua brought us?

John 1:1-5

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. 2 He was in the beginning with Yahweh. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
NKJV

John 1:14

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
NKJV


What law did Yahshua bring us?

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Mon 12/05/11 05:10 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 12/05/11 05:15 PM
It is actually God who is at work IN us and THRU

us, helping us to live an obedient and yielded christian life .


We just stay yielded to God's will , while God is the One Who

is at work IN us and THRU us !!!flowerforyou


God's desires have become our desires now....because again,

it is actually GOD HIMSELF , WHO is the One at work IN us and THRU us.

The Holy Spirit Indwelling all Believers now , enables us

to walk the christain walk....

by helping us, teaching us, and by leading and guiding us into

ALL TRUTH.


The Holy Spirit becomes our Helper now.






Miles, A born again believer's sins have been forgiven and

covered by the blood of Jesus ...that includes past present

and future sins....

that is why The Holy Spirit now, is able to

Indwell a born again believer's temple .



We have been made clean thru the blood of Jesus....we have

been washed in the blood.



We now are a clean temple that the Holy Spirit resides in.


Also, God's Law is now written on the tablets of our heart.



And if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father thru Christ Jesus,

that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to

forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us of all our

unrighteousness.


This means christians are saved but not perfect, amd will still

slip up..but will not willingly sin.

We don't willingly sin.....but if we do slip up (which again,

we all will do from time to time while God is perfecting us) , we

will grieve the Holy Spirt in us.....

and will run to Jesus, crying out for forgivness...simply

because we ARE new creatures in Christ Jesus now.....and

can no longer willingly STAY in the sin.


Miles...Hopes this helps answer some of your questions.




:heart::heart::heart:



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Mon 12/05/11 05:17 PM


"I AM" equates to your awareness not God's presence


Says who?

You have not defined who God even is.

I AM THAT.


so you're a character in a book?

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 12/05/11 05:31 PM

It is actually God who is at work IN us and THRU

us, helping us to live an obedient and yielded christian life .


We just stay yielded to God's will , while God is the One Who

is at work IN us and THRU us !!!flowerforyou


God's desires have become our desires now....because again,

it is actually GOD HIMSELF , WHO is the One at work IN us and THRU us.

The Holy Spirit Indwelling all Believers now , enables us

to walk the christain walk....

by helping us, teaching us, and by leading and guiding us into

ALL TRUTH.


The Holy Spirit becomes our Helper now.






Miles, A born again believer's sins have been forgiven and

covered by the blood of Jesus ...that includes past present

and future sins....

that is why The Holy Spirit now, is able to

Indwell a born again believer's temple .



We have been made clean thru the blood of Jesus....we have

been washed in the blood.



We now are a clean temple that the Holy Spirit resides in.


Also, God's Law is now written on the tablets of our heart.



And if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father thru Christ Jesus,

that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to

forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us of all our

unrighteousness.


This means christians are saved but not perfect, amd will still

slip up..but will not willingly sin.

We don't willingly sin.....but if we do slip up (which again,

we all will do from time to time while God is perfecting us) , we

will grieve the Holy Spirt in us.....

and will run to Jesus, crying out for forgivness...simply

because we ARE new creatures in Christ Jesus now.....and

can no longer willingly STAY in the sin.


Miles...Hopes this helps answer some of your questions.




:heart::heart::heart:






thats all fine and good.

The law is to be written on our hearts because our desire is to keep it as Yahshua kept it.

Yahshua to be are Advocate with the father had to keep the Law he gave to Moses from Yahweh.. He was doing Yahweh's will then as he also did when he became the Lamb of Yahweh without blimish.

In the sermon on the mount he said be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. with this said and Yahshua being our example was perfect by the keeping of the Law he actually gave Moses from Yahweh.

so how can you say that we are not to keep the Law of Moses when Yahshua did and thats what made him sinless.. So a clean Temple is striving to be sinless.. How can you say that that perfection Yahshua said to strive for not be the written Law of Moses on our Hearts from Yahweh?.. Blessings..Miles

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Mon 12/05/11 05:45 PM


It is actually God who is at work IN us and THRU

us, helping us to live an obedient and yielded christian life .


We just stay yielded to God's will , while God is the One Who

is at work IN us and THRU us !!!flowerforyou


God's desires have become our desires now....because again,

it is actually GOD HIMSELF , WHO is the One at work IN us and THRU us.

The Holy Spirit Indwelling all Believers now , enables us

to walk the christain walk....

by helping us, teaching us, and by leading and guiding us into

ALL TRUTH.


The Holy Spirit becomes our Helper now.






Miles, A born again believer's sins have been forgiven and

covered by the blood of Jesus ...that includes past present

and future sins....

that is why The Holy Spirit now, is able to

Indwell a born again believer's temple .



We have been made clean thru the blood of Jesus....we have

been washed in the blood.



We now are a clean temple that the Holy Spirit resides in.


Also, God's Law is now written on the tablets of our heart.



And if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father thru Christ Jesus,

that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to

forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us of all our

unrighteousness.


This means christians are saved but not perfect, amd will still

slip up..but will not willingly sin.

We don't willingly sin.....but if we do slip up (which again,

we all will do from time to time while God is perfecting us) , we

will grieve the Holy Spirt in us.....

and will run to Jesus, crying out for forgivness...simply

because we ARE new creatures in Christ Jesus now.....and

can no longer willingly STAY in the sin.


Miles...Hopes this helps answer some of your questions.




:heart::heart::heart:






thats all fine and good.

The law is to be written on our hearts because our desire is to keep it as Yahshua kept it.

Yahshua to be are Advocate with the father had to keep the Law he gave to Moses from Yahweh.. He was doing Yahweh's will then as he also did when he became the Lamb of Yahweh without blimish.

In the sermon on the mount he said be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. with this said and Yahshua being our example was perfect by the keeping of the Law he actually gave Moses from Yahweh.

so how can you say that we are not to keep the Law of Moses when Yahshua did and thats what made him sinless.. So a clean Temple is striving to be sinless.. How can you say that that perfection Yahshua said to strive for not be the written Law of Moses on our Hearts from Yahweh?.. Blessings..Miles



Miles, Yashua condemed at least one of "Moses' Laws" (divorce).
The prophets also condemed a few of "Moses' Laws" (sacrifices for sure).


So, if I read one of "Moses's Laws" that contradicts what I feel in my heart, what should I do???




Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 12/05/11 06:15 PM



It is actually God who is at work IN us and THRU

us, helping us to live an obedient and yielded christian life .


We just stay yielded to God's will , while God is the One Who

is at work IN us and THRU us !!!flowerforyou


God's desires have become our desires now....because again,

it is actually GOD HIMSELF , WHO is the One at work IN us and THRU us.

The Holy Spirit Indwelling all Believers now , enables us

to walk the christain walk....

by helping us, teaching us, and by leading and guiding us into

ALL TRUTH.


The Holy Spirit becomes our Helper now.






Miles, A born again believer's sins have been forgiven and

covered by the blood of Jesus ...that includes past present

and future sins....

that is why The Holy Spirit now, is able to

Indwell a born again believer's temple .



We have been made clean thru the blood of Jesus....we have

been washed in the blood.



We now are a clean temple that the Holy Spirit resides in.


Also, God's Law is now written on the tablets of our heart.



And if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father thru Christ Jesus,

that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to

forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us of all our

unrighteousness.


This means christians are saved but not perfect, amd will still

slip up..but will not willingly sin.

We don't willingly sin.....but if we do slip up (which again,

we all will do from time to time while God is perfecting us) , we

will grieve the Holy Spirt in us.....

and will run to Jesus, crying out for forgivness...simply

because we ARE new creatures in Christ Jesus now.....and

can no longer willingly STAY in the sin.


Miles...Hopes this helps answer some of your questions.




:heart::heart::heart:






thats all fine and good.

The law is to be written on our hearts because our desire is to keep it as Yahshua kept it.

Yahshua to be are Advocate with the father had to keep the Law he gave to Moses from Yahweh.. He was doing Yahweh's will then as he also did when he became the Lamb of Yahweh without blimish.

In the sermon on the mount he said be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. with this said and Yahshua being our example was perfect by the keeping of the Law he actually gave Moses from Yahweh.

so how can you say that we are not to keep the Law of Moses when Yahshua did and thats what made him sinless.. So a clean Temple is striving to be sinless.. How can you say that that perfection Yahshua said to strive for not be the written Law of Moses on our Hearts from Yahweh?.. Blessings..Miles



Miles, Yashua condemed at least one of "Moses' Laws" (divorce).
The prophets also condemed a few of "Moses' Laws" (sacrifices for sure).


So, if I read one of "Moses's Laws" that contradicts what I feel in my heart, what should I do???







The question is did Yahweh allow divorce?

Matt 5:31-32

"Furthermore it has been said,'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce .' 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
NKJV

Matt 19:8-9
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
NKJV

This I need to do more study I will admitt.

when searching I can not find where Moses said you can divorce for any reason.

If a wife is not a virgin it says u can but thats would be called an annullment today when you do it quickly like it was done.

Yet Yahshua speaks of the hardness of thier hearts he allowed it.

almost sounds like the law of the pharasees.. The law that was against us.

The sacrafises being condemned by the prophets of old I do not know what they are.. maybe you can show me.

What laws should you follow? well what Yahshua did for sure and thiers no recorded record of him ever sacraficing yet why would he have to he was sinless.

The Torah tells us what is right and what is wrong. studying with a clean heart.. a contrite spirit Yahweh will not despise. Thats a promice. Thats where a clean temple doing the best you know how Yahweh will not despise.. He will show you. The spirit will guide you into all truth.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles

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Mon 12/05/11 06:38 PM




It is actually God who is at work IN us and THRU

us, helping us to live an obedient and yielded christian life .


We just stay yielded to God's will , while God is the One Who

is at work IN us and THRU us !!!flowerforyou


God's desires have become our desires now....because again,

it is actually GOD HIMSELF , WHO is the One at work IN us and THRU us.

The Holy Spirit Indwelling all Believers now , enables us

to walk the christain walk....

by helping us, teaching us, and by leading and guiding us into

ALL TRUTH.


The Holy Spirit becomes our Helper now.






Miles, A born again believer's sins have been forgiven and

covered by the blood of Jesus ...that includes past present

and future sins....

that is why The Holy Spirit now, is able to

Indwell a born again believer's temple .



We have been made clean thru the blood of Jesus....we have

been washed in the blood.



We now are a clean temple that the Holy Spirit resides in.


Also, God's Law is now written on the tablets of our heart.



And if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father thru Christ Jesus,

that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to

forgive us of our sins, and cleanse us of all our

unrighteousness.


This means christians are saved but not perfect, amd will still

slip up..but will not willingly sin.

We don't willingly sin.....but if we do slip up (which again,

we all will do from time to time while God is perfecting us) , we

will grieve the Holy Spirt in us.....

and will run to Jesus, crying out for forgivness...simply

because we ARE new creatures in Christ Jesus now.....and

can no longer willingly STAY in the sin.


Miles...Hopes this helps answer some of your questions.




:heart::heart::heart:






thats all fine and good.

The law is to be written on our hearts because our desire is to keep it as Yahshua kept it.

Yahshua to be are Advocate with the father had to keep the Law he gave to Moses from Yahweh.. He was doing Yahweh's will then as he also did when he became the Lamb of Yahweh without blimish.

In the sermon on the mount he said be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. with this said and Yahshua being our example was perfect by the keeping of the Law he actually gave Moses from Yahweh.

so how can you say that we are not to keep the Law of Moses when Yahshua did and thats what made him sinless.. So a clean Temple is striving to be sinless.. How can you say that that perfection Yahshua said to strive for not be the written Law of Moses on our Hearts from Yahweh?.. Blessings..Miles



Miles, Yashua condemed at least one of "Moses' Laws" (divorce).
The prophets also condemed a few of "Moses' Laws" (sacrifices for sure).


So, if I read one of "Moses's Laws" that contradicts what I feel in my heart, what should I do???







The question is did Yahweh allow divorce?

Matt 5:31-32

"Furthermore it has been said,'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce .' 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
NKJV

Matt 19:8-9
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
NKJV

This I need to do more study I will admitt.

when searching I can not find where Moses said you can divorce for any reason.

If a wife is not a virgin it says u can but thats would be called an annullment today when you do it quickly like it was done.

Yet Yahshua speaks of the hardness of thier hearts he allowed it.

almost sounds like the law of the pharasees.. The law that was against us.

The sacrafises being condemned by the prophets of old I do not know what they are.. maybe you can show me.

What laws should you follow? well what Yahshua did for sure and thiers no recorded record of him ever sacraficing yet why would he have to he was sinless.

The Torah tells us what is right and what is wrong. studying with a clean heart.. a contrite spirit Yahweh will not despise. Thats a promice. Thats where a clean temple doing the best you know how Yahweh will not despise.. He will show you. The spirit will guide you into all truth.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles




Jeremiah 7:21-23
King James Version (KJV)


21Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.

22For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.



It should be noted that other translations state the opposite of the KJV. IE: that God spoke "not only about" sacrifices...

But, if you take other verses from the OT that instruct the Israelites to NOT worship YHWH like the heathens worship their gods, then I figure if they sacrifice, we shouldn't... (which totally agrees with my conscience)...




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Mon 12/05/11 07:10 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 12/05/11 07:15 PM
Miles...We are NOT to STRIVE ....we are to simply YIELD

to God's Will....


If we couldn't keep the Law ON OUR OWN STRENGTH BEFORE we

were saved, we surely can't keep the law ON OUR OWN STRENGTH

after we are saved....

IN OTHER WORDS.....

IT AIN'T US DOING IT...BUT GOD WHO LIVES IN US DOING IT THRU US !!!

WE JUST STAY YIELDED TO GOD'S WILL, WHILE HE IS THE ONE WHO

WORKS IN US AND THRU US!!!


WE ARE TO LIVE A YIELDED LIFE......NOT A STRIVING LIFE !!!

AMEN???flowerforyou




And in answer to your other question :


Matthew22:37-40

Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and

with all your soul and with all your mind." 38 This is the first

and greatest commandment.


39 And the second is like it: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 40


ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two

commandments.




This will further explain:.............................



If Christians want to practice the commandments in the Old

Testament, they should learn from Christ’s wisdom revealed in Matt.

22:24-40. As noted in the analysis of Matt. 5:17, the Pharisees

wanted to trap Jesus with words, so one of them, an expert in the

law, asked him which commandment was the greatest.



22:37 Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and

with all your soul and with all your mind." 38 This is the first

and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: "Love your

neighbor as yourself." 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on

these two commandments.




Jesus boils down all the commandments in the Old

Testament to these two.


They are the best way to obey all of them. Jesus’

followers should live a life of divine love through the power of

the Holy Spirit in Jesus’ name.


Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is in perfect

agreement with his Lord and Savior, using the key words "fulfilled"

and "fulfillment" (Romans 13:8-10):



13:8 [F]or he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. 9 The

commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not

steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be,

are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself. 10

Love does no harm to the neighbor. Therefore,


LOVE is the FULFILLMENRT of the LAW !!!!!


Only the life and love of Jesus Christ that he sends

into our hearts through the Holy Spirit can enable us to walk in

divine love. Our love for God cannot be self-initiated. God draws

us to love him by his Spirit. This is the first great commandment.

Only as we love him, we love others. That is the second greatest

commandment. As for righteousness coming from keeping the two

greatest commandments, only his righteousness that he offers us

freely after his death on the cross and resurrection can save us.


Our OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS CANNOT !!!

We must trust in Jesus Christ and receive the Holy

Spirit and his righteousness in his name.

We Christians honor and revere the Old Testament, but we interpret

it through Jesus Christ and the new era of salvation and

fulfillment that he ushered in on the day he was born.


for the entire reading , go to....


http://answeringislam.info/Authors/Arlandson/fulfilled.htm



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