And this is what i mean by your misunderstanding. Jesus is king of kings, lord of lords. Jesus Christ is our God almighty. You've never answered who said "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased" if they are one "god, entity". How can Jesus be the SON of God the father if he is God the father incarnated on Earth? Because according to you, they are not two separate "persons". But yet we have both of them present at the same place at the same time.

There is no place to go or to "get to."

The kingdom of God is within.

The Kingdom of God is here now.

Within.

Forever.

The temple of God is within. How would the "kingdom" of God be within?

No Cowboy, your ultimate picture of Christianity is grossly flawed just as MorningSong suggests.

You don't understand the concept of GRACE at all.

You keep talking about OBEDIENCE and a need to OBEY in order to EARN your way to this Salvation.

But like both Jeanniebean and MorningSong both point out, it' NOT about obedience. You can never be in harmony with the will of God via your feeble mortal attempt to try to simply 'obey' commandments.

You must allow the SPIRIT of God to come into your heart and you will then be in harmony with the WILL of God with no need to "obey" anything other than your own true desire, because at that point in time your desires will be God's desires. No 'obedience' required.

As long as you continue to believe that you must be "obedient" to some external godhead you will forever be deceived.

From my perspective you are a perfect example of how Christianity only serves to confuses the issue. Some Christians, like MorningSong "get it". Others, like you, get lost in the dogma in the hopes of appeasing God through the obedience of commandments and directives.

This is why I strongly recommend Easter Mysticism. It gets far more to the heart of the matter and won't mislead you into these false ideas that you can earn salvation via obeying dogma.

Exactly.

Even Jesus is said to have taught this, "Heaven is at hand".

It's not some imagined place above the sky.

Both the "temple" and the kingdom of God are within.

I have never once said someone needs to or even can "earn" Salvation. Salvation is a free gift offered to us by the grace of God. But if you put your faith in something and say it to be true, you will then act and behave as it is true. If you do not act and behave as your beliefs, you obviously don't believe them as much as one proclaims.

James 2:18
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works

James 2:24
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James 2:26
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Gospel of St. Thomas - What Does It Say?

The Gospel of St. Thomas declares that the Kingdom of God exists upon the earth today if people just open their eyes. There is "divine light" within all of us, which allows us to see the Kingdom of God in our physical surroundings. The Image of God at the beginning of creation (Genesis 1) still exists today. We can assume that Image still, which is different than the image of fallen man (Adam) in Genesis 2. The Gospel of St. Thomas reveals that mankind can and should restore their identities to the image of God now, and see the Kingdom of God on earth now. This text treats the first two chapters of Genesis in a non-traditional way. It holds that there were two separate creations of mankind -- the first was perfect and the second was flawed. Rather than wait for a future end-time Kingdom to come, the writer of this book exhorts people to return to the perfect Kingdom conditions of Genesis 1 now.

Gospel of St. Thomas - Why isn't it in the Bible?

The Gospel of St. Thomas is considered "Gnostic" in origin and viewpoint by many fundamental Christians, and is possibly the reason why the book was kept from the original canon of the Holy Bible (if the text was even known by early Christian followers at all). Generally, Gnostics hold that salvation of the soul comes from a quasi-intuitive knowledge of the mysteries of the universe and of secret formulae indicative of that knowledge. Since Christians view the Bible as a supernaturally-inspired collection of God's word to humans, which is totally integrated in thought and doctrine, there is no such thing as a "lost book" of the Bible with special secrets for the wise. Even from a non-supernatural perspective, if the Bible that we have read for the past 2,000 years reflects the beliefs of original Christianity, then any texts that were originally rejected, discarded or "lost" are not books of the Christian Bible, by definition. A church that adds the Gospel of St. Thomas to its scriptures would move outside the simple lines of fundamental Christianity, and we know of no established denomination that has any notion of doing so... nor should they.

Cowboy said:'


I agree.

Cowboy wrote:



Cowboy...here you go again ...PURPOSELY twisting what

I said on here......

I said MANY MANY MANY TIMES ALREADY...that The Father and Jesus

ARE 2 SEAPARATE PERSONS ,WITHIN ONE GOD ( including The Holy

Spirit , Who is the 3rd PERSON WITHIN ONE GOD.......)



But when YOU say "persons" ,we already know that You mean it

as " 2 separare Gods entirely"....and that is NOT what the

bible teaches at all !!!


Stop already with the pretending and deception...you are fooling

no one, Cowboy.


I see you very clearly now for who you really are on here.

That is why I will be responding to you no more....but will

continue to pray that God reveal His truth to you now.


And also Cowboy...

no we DON'T have to add works to our salvation in order to

become saved.......that is another error you spread on here...

works and obedience follow AFTER we are saved,and is NOT

required BEFORE we are saved !!!


Salvation is a FREE GIFT OF GRACE....NO works required....JESUS

paid it ALL..we DON'T have to ALSO add our stinking works

too ,to what JESUS already did on that cross for us all !!!

James 2:14-26

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one Elohim. ( TAKE NOTE 1 ELOHIM not 2 not 3 BUT1!!!!!!!!!) You do well. Even the demons believe — and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed Yahweh, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of Yahweh. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
NKJV


These scriptures are taught and preached less in the chr-stian churches than any other scriptures. IMO and study.

The Apostles lived by the Torah as did Abraham. Yahshua said do not believe me believe my WORKS.

Faith comes by hearing and from hearing comes a renewed mind to do the works of Yahweh. If you do not grow then you are on stony or bad ground and you will be taken with the tares.. Blessings...Miles

Cowboy
if you follow the teachings of a Man, then you follow a philosophy
if you follow the teachings of a God, then you follow a religion
if the teachings insist that you obey only them, then you follow a dictator

JennieBean...or perhaps some people don't hear voices....exactly how do you know that it's God that is speaking



so if you don't heard voices, then God is not speaking
but if you do hear voices, then it's God that is speaking

that's delusional

and this is why going to the doctor is a lack of Faith ....if God is all mighty and powerful and has a plan for you and if Heaven is such a nice place the be, then why when one gets sick and/or gets hurt and God is trying to bring you home, why run to the doctor in an attempt to prevent this ...if one had faith they will prove this by placing their faith in God to heal them not Man

YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE THERE, MILES...


BUT.... UNTIL FAITH COMES TO BELIEVE ,AND THE ACTUAL CHANGE OR

REBIRTH WITHIN US HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE( SALVATION ),

WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH, MUCH LESS DO THE

WORKS ( OR AT LEAST NOT FOR VERY LONG ) ....SIMPLY

BECAUSE OUR OLD NATURE JUST CAN'T....AND WILL RESIST !!


OH....OUR OLD NATURE MAY TRY, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY FAIL

MISERABLY ...OR EVENTAULLY RESIST OBEYING COMPLETELY.



BUT MILES, HERE'S THE THING:



EVEN IF MAN COULD OBEY COMPLETELY AND DO GOOD WORKS , IT WOULD

STILL STILL STILL BE JUST RELIGIOUS WORKS IN THE EYES OF

GOD, IF A PERSON HAD NOT YET BEEN BORN AGAIN !!!!!!


GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUR RELIGIOUS WORKS, IF WE HAVE

NOT YET ACCEPTED INTO OUR HEART HIS SON, THE ONE GOD SENT US !!!

( THAT BEING YAHWEH OR JESUS ...YAWEH'S SON !!! )


WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, MILES....WHICH ALSO BTW, BRINGS US BACK

INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.


BECOMING BORN AGAIN ALSO REPLACES THE OLD DESIRES IN US

WITH NEW DESIRES ..... GOD'S DESIRES.....

THE DESIRES TO PLEASE GOD!!!


OUR DESIRES NOW HAVE BECOME GODS DESIRES !!!



BUT WORKS AT ATTEMPTING TO OBEY GOD ( WITHOUT FIRST BECOMING

BORN AGAIN ) , IS NOT NOT NOT PLEASING TO GOD, MILES!!

NOT ONE BIT !!!!


WITHOUT BECOMING BORN AGAIN FIRST, OUR WORKS AND OBEDIENCE IS

ONLY JUST DEAD RELIGIOUS WORKS TO GOD......BECAUSE WE ARE STILL

DEAD SPIRTUALLY !!


GOD ALREADY KNEW WE COULDN'T KEEP THE LAW ON OUR

OWN STRENGTH, IN THE FIRST PLACE....THAT IS WHY GOD SENT US

A SAVIOUR !!!


BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF WE COULD KEEP TE LAW, GOD STILL WOULD NOT

BE PLEASED, WITHOUT OUR FIRST FIRST FIRST ACCEPTING THE ONE

HE SENT (HIS SON )!!



BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SALVATION, MILES ?



WE ARE ABLE TO OBEY NOW....AND WILL OBEY GOD NOW ....

WILLINGLY !!!!


AND WITH A GLAD HEART !!!


WHY?


SIMPLY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN....OUR

SPIRIT HAS NOW BEEN MADE ALIVE AGAIN.....

AND THAT NEW NATURE THAT IS IN US NOW, ALSO GIVES US THE

DESIRE TO PLEASE GOD NOW, WITH A WILLING HEART !!!

WE ACTUALLY WANT TO OBEY AND PLEASE GOD NOW!!

AMEN!!!


ALSO AFTER BECOMING BORN AGAIN, COMES THE DAILY RENEWING OF

OUR MINDS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN CHRIST JESUS ( YAHWEH).

BUT NOW, THAT IS OUR JOB...TO RENEW OUR MINDS DAILY, THAT IS.


THE RENEWING OF THE MIND COMES BY STAYING IN THE WORD...

MEDITATING ON GOD'S WORD...BUT AGAIN, A BORN AGAIN PERSON IS

GOING TO WANT TO EAT HIS DAILY BREAD( WORD ), ALSO .....BECAUSE

OF A HUNGER IN HIM TO DO SO NOW!!!!


BUT MILES ?


LISTEN NOW.....CAUSE THIS IE VERY IMPORTANT:

WE STILL NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .... JUST TRYING TO RENEW OUR

MIND WITHOUT SALVATION FIRST, WOULD JUST BE RELIGIOUS

WORKS !!!


TRYING TO PLEASE GOD WITH OUR OLD NATURE , IS NOT PLEASING TO

GOD AT ALL....THAT IS WHY GOD SAID WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!!

THEN,AFTER BEING BORN AGAIN, OUR OBEYING AND DOING THE WORKS IS

PLEASING TO GOD!!!!


AFTERWARDS !!!!!


NOT BEFORE SALVATION !!!

LISTENING??

CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN:

GOD IS PLEASED WITH OUR OBEDIENCE AND WORKS ...BUT ONLY

AFTER AFTER AFTER WE ARE SAVED !!!!

NOT BEFORE !!!

BEFORE SALVATION, OUR TRYING TO BE OBEDIENCT AND DO GOOD WORKS,

IS JUST DEAD RELGIOUS WORKS TO GOD...NOTHING MORE....AND DOES

NOT NOT NOT PLEASE GOD IN THE LEAST, WITHOUT SALVATION

TAKING PLACE FIRST !!!


GOD SAID," YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. "

Funches I don't heard the voice of God. I realize that God is within me.

The voice of God is not a voice but a feeling and an inspiration.

It is my own soul, infused with love and the joy of living.

1st jc is not Yahweh niether is Yahshua he came in the name of the father John 5:43 ..you can not change that.

2nd.. when have I ever said you do not need to be born again?

thier is a big difference between those who say they believe and those who say they do not. you must be born again to believe.

3rd.. Yahshua what made him perfect?

was it the law?

so apperently keeping the law perfectly is possible but know one has ever done it except him.. thats why no sacrafice could ever exceed his.

so all would be done in vain.

yet remember we are the Temple.. Yahweh does not live in an unclean temple.

So let me ask you also.. If Yahshua kept his Temple clean by the works of the Law.. How do you keep yours clean? Blessings... Miles