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Topic: Is not hating anything normal?
AndyBgood's photo
Mon 07/18/11 11:47 PM
We all hate something. Spiders, okra, bean sprouts, those silly little umbrellas that go into cocktails. The fact is that we all have something we hate but is it possible for anyone to be completely hate free. I mean they don't hate Mondays, getting caught naked in the cold rain, flea bites, etc.

This is not specifically about race issues so no going there please! Leave that in politics.




I could have imagined when Jesus thrashed the money lenders and turned the temple upside down he had a moment of hate. He hated what had become of his temple. He was more than pissed off when he went on his little rampage. Hate leads to anger, anger leads to rage, rage leads to property destruction.

So is it normal for someone to not hate anything?

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 07/19/11 12:00 AM
i don't hate anything

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 07/19/11 08:44 AM
Really? You don't freak out over spiders or mice? You can tolerate oppression? I have yet to meet a person who really does not hate ANYTHING! I would bet if you looked deeper into yourself that you would find something you do hate. Honesty is they key!

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Tue 07/19/11 09:00 AM
Edited by Alterette on Tue 07/19/11 09:03 AM
I don't really hate anything either. I don't like spiders but they serve their purpose. Okra disgusts me, but I don't hate it. I may see things that shouldn't be happening (oppression, molestation, brutal murder) and they might break my heart, disgust me or anger me greatly but I still don't hate. Anger and hate are not necessarily the same thing. I think the word 'hate' is overused.

My kids have done foolish things that have made me exceedingly angry. I've gotten into arguments where I just wanted to put my fist to the person's face. I made my own brother leave at gunpoint because he threatened my family. Did I hate any of them because I was angry? No.

Yeshua also said that to hate someone is the same as murdering them in your mind. If you believe that G-d is fair and just - and even if you just believe in karma - you know that whatever a person does comes back upon them. So why hate? It only poisons you - and whoever does these things will get what's coming to them eventually.

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 07/19/11 09:00 AM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Tue 07/19/11 09:01 AM
@ Andy


really

freaking out, as you call it when a mouse runs by, is not hate

at times i feel annoyed, sad, discouraged, angry....i experience

many emotions.

i don't hate anything or anybody



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Tue 07/19/11 09:08 AM
I strongly dislike things. But **** no, was taught that word is just like any other cuss word.

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Tue 07/19/11 09:23 AM
Edited by singmesweet on Tue 07/19/11 09:23 AM

Really? You don't freak out over spiders or mice? You can tolerate oppression? I have yet to meet a person who really does not hate ANYTHING! I would bet if you looked deeper into yourself that you would find something you do hate. Honesty is they key!


Freaking out over something, not liking something and not tolerating something is different than hate.

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Tue 07/19/11 09:37 AM
Ha Ha ...Andy....


My list is continuous...I'm sure..



I hate those really big, flying azz cock roaches.

I hate egotistical people,with stuck-open "pie holes".


I hate those screws, that are on the back of the cardboard, of Toys.








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Tue 07/19/11 10:09 AM

We all hate something. Spiders, okra, bean sprouts, those silly little umbrellas that go into cocktails. The fact is that we all have something we hate but is it possible for anyone to be completely hate free. I mean they don't hate Mondays, getting caught naked in the cold rain, flea bites, etc.

This is not specifically about race issues so no going there please! Leave that in politics.

I could have imagined when Jesus thrashed the money lenders and turned the temple upside down he had a moment of hate. He hated what had become of his temple. He was more than pissed off when he went on his little rampage. Hate leads to anger, anger leads to rage, rage leads to property destruction.

So is it normal for someone to not hate anything?


At the moment, I can't think of a single aspect of the non-human world that makes me unhappy, or causes any strong negative thoughts... I love spiders. I usually accept and enjoy the weather. When I go camping with too many biting insects to protect against, I just let them bite me and don't have much inner reaction.

There is a great deal in the sphere of human activities that I find disgusting and abhorrent.




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Tue 07/19/11 10:18 AM
Yeah, I hate a lot of things. I try not to dwell on it though. I think it is normal to hate things and I don't believe people who say they don't hate anything.

I hate slavery, it's still very common in the world.
I hate people who hurt children. I try to "hate the sin, love the person", but I'm not not there yet spiritually.
I hate oppression in any from.

I could go on. Hate is normal to the human experience.


Hate: Intense or passionate dislike


I don't want to know anyone who doesn't hate slavery or oppression.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 07/19/11 10:43 AM

Hate: Intense or passionate dislike


I don't want to know anyone who doesn't hate slavery or oppression.


I agree. By the definition you gave there are lot of things that I hate as well, including slavery and oppression to name just a few.

But I also agree with what you said about hating the crime and not the criminal. It can be hard to separate the two when it becomes apparent the the crime exists because of the criminal.

You can hardly have slavery without a "slave owner", so in that sense the "slave owner" becomes slavery by being the very creator of it. Without the "slave owner" there would be no slavery so in that sense they are indeed inseparable.

Therefore if you hate one, how can you not hate the the other?

About the only way to do it is to forgive the offender on the basis that they know not what they are doing. They are either mentally ill, or socially blind, or pathetically ego-centric (which for many would be seen as mental illness in its own right).

It's hard to separate an atrocity from the entity that it creating the atrocity in the first place.

i agree.

If you hate slavery and oppression you really have no choice but to hate those who create these things. Unless you simply feel sorry for them for being in such a disgusting state of existence to begin with.

That's about the only way around it, and that's the vantage point I typically take. I just view people who create atrocities as being mentally ill people and convert my hatred of the things they create into empathy and sorrow for their own misery.

And of course, if they are hurting other people something must be done to stop their actions as well, but hatred doesn't need to be included in that process.

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 07/19/11 10:55 AM

@ Andy


really

freaking out, as you call it when a mouse runs by, is not hate

at times i feel annoyed, sad, discouraged, angry....i experience

many emotions.

i don't hate anything or anybody





But don't fear and hate go hand in hand? I mean they are the Peanut Butter and Jelly on the bread of the human condition are they not?

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Tue 07/19/11 11:00 AM


@ Andy


really

freaking out, as you call it when a mouse runs by, is not hate

at times i feel annoyed, sad, discouraged, angry....i experience

many emotions.

i don't hate anything or anybody





But don't fear and hate go hand in hand? I mean they are the Peanut Butter and Jelly on the bread of the human condition are they not?


Really? You hate a mouse because it freaks you out when it runs by? That sounds like something silly to hate.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 07/19/11 11:10 AM

But don't fear and hate go hand in hand? I mean they are the Peanut Butter and Jelly on the bread of the human condition are they not?


But Andy, if fear and hate go hand in hand then if I fear that I'll be impotent when I'm with a woman I'd hate that.

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Oh wait a minute.

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I do hate when that happens.

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Ok, so maybe you do have a point in some cases. drinker

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 07/19/11 01:13 PM



@ Andy


really

freaking out, as you call it when a mouse runs by, is not hate

at times i feel annoyed, sad, discouraged, angry....i experience

many emotions.

i don't hate anything or anybody





But don't fear and hate go hand in hand? I mean they are the Peanut Butter and Jelly on the bread of the human condition are they not?


Really? You hate a mouse because it freaks you out when it runs by? That sounds like something silly to hate.


I see a mouse run by I just shake my head and if I got a predator pet that eats mice I sick them on their prey! I had a five foot long monitor lizard who after I got him trained to behave would do just that. If he smelled a mouse he was after it. If he seen one he was after it on overdrive. That lizard freaked more people out than intrigued them. I have seen people get pant's crapping scared of him for no reason. heck, I was making dinner with some friends over one night and my lizard woke up from his hiding spot under my couch and came crawling to the kitchen sniffing with his 6 inch long blue tongue. He loved scraps, especially chicken skin. One of the girls who was over was supposed to be an animal lover and refused to go back into my house after that. A five foot long lizard walked out from under her and came right to the kitchen begging for food like a dog. Is it not reasonable to assume this animal lover hated lizards? SFB didn't bite. He never crawled up on anyone but me. Most of the time he was just happy watching as stuff went on. So tell me, if you were facing a bear and it was pretty clear it wanted to eat you, and you didn't have a gun and knew your death was imminent I bet you would hate that now wouldn't you?

Honesty is admitting we all hate to some extent but the real power is accepting that we do and controlling it rather than letting it control us. Even love has made people commit murder even with the justification of some really warped logic. So why deceive ourselves here? Even Jesus Christ had this share of hatred like a church selling salvation. He didn't just dislike it. He went postal in a temple. Hate leads to rage and rage leads to damage. Why does this happen? We focus on our hatred of something and we loose focus on the hate itself. That is like a reactor going into melt down. When you can see your hate for what it is you can address it and control it.

Why is it you think some seemingly good and meek people snap and wind up killing a lot of other people? Because something festers inside them quietly over the years until their resolve snaps one day. A dislike grows and feeds silently upon that person and society baffles them into thinking it is wrong to hate so they try and cannot embrace a negative stimulus in their life. Now we know hatred leads to confrontation but likewise hatred can lead to avoiding confrontation. Take having a neighbor you despise and you find out about this person a few months after moving to a apartment complex. Let us say this man is constantly hinting how he would like to cover you in caramel and lick it off of you in front of your children and even your boyfriend. Now let us say there was nothing the manager is going to do about it because he doesn't touch anyone but he is just an annoying pig. Do you give in to hate and let your BF go over and beat that man's azz into next Friday or does it motivate you to find better accommodations without the azzhole around? I would see choice two as the more controlled method of dealing with it where the first idea does have a lot of appeal but would be surrendering to hate and rage.

I see hate as a Hindu would see Kali Maa. Kali Maa is the Earth Mother. She is a destroyer but likewise a creator and the one who paves the way for creation. When she moves the earth she causes destruction but new life always comes of it. She is the mother of life but also a taker of life. Kali Maa is a two sided coin much like hate and love are! I you don't really know your hate you don't really know your love!

Sorry if i am coming off complicated but that's me! I got more sides than a box!

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 07/19/11 06:47 PM


@ Andy


really

freaking out, as you call it when a mouse runs by, is not hate

at times i feel annoyed, sad, discouraged, angry....i experience

many emotions.

i don't hate anything or anybody





But don't fear and hate go hand in hand? I mean they are the Peanut Butter and Jelly on the bread of the human condition are they not?


i don't fear mice or spiders let alone hate them
i'm on the coast in oregon, i've learned to live with the spiders
and any mouse problem my cat takes care of

i do love a good peanut butter and jelly sandwich though

i agree that it can be easy for us to hate what we fear, i get that

see, i choose to be happy
i choose to create good things in my life
if i focus on all the bad, and HATE all the bad in the world
well, what would i be creating on a personal level?
a bad and hateful existence is what
no thanks! me being hateful isn't going to change anything

i can never hate anything (or anyone) enough to make 'it' go away
i can never be sick enough to make someone else well
i can never be sad enough to make another happy
i can never be poor enough to make somebody else rich

see?

if i have a 'melt down' (as you say) it would more than likely
be from all the hate and violence i witness, not the denial of it

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Tue 07/19/11 07:51 PM

We all hate something. Spiders, okra, bean sprouts, those silly little umbrellas that go into cocktails. The fact is that we all have something we hate but is it possible for anyone to be completely hate free. I mean they don't hate Mondays, getting caught naked in the cold rain, flea bites, etc.

This is not specifically about race issues so no going there please! Leave that in politics.




I could have imagined when Jesus thrashed the money lenders and turned the temple upside down he had a moment of hate. He hated what had become of his temple. He was more than pissed off when he went on his little rampage. Hate leads to anger, anger leads to rage, rage leads to property destruction.

So is it normal for someone to not hate anything?


AndyBgood,

If you met a woman who said she'd never breathed in her life, how long would you insist that she must have before you gave up in frustration?

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 08:04 PM
I don't hate anything.

That doesn't mean I condone the horrors of genocide or abuse or slavery. Don't be ridiculous!

For me, not hating anything comes from a place of deep understanding ... do not interpret that as acceptance, and do not interpret that as a lack of understanding if you believe differently.

Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.

Fighting against doesn't work. We have only to look at the WAR ON CANCER ... the WAR ON TERRORISM ... the WAR ON DRUGS ... to see the ineffectiveness of such nonsense. Billions of dollars, dozens of years for very little progress.

When the USA decided to put a man on the moon it was to beat the Russians to it. They were FOR being first. I read that it only took something miniscule like 18 months to do it. If we could put a man on the moon in 18 months ... surely we could find an answer to just one of the things we've declared war on here on earth ...if only we became FOR something ...

My ground of being comes from a place of creating in the world ... and is in keeping with the vision that I hold for everyone. To live freely, joyfully, ever expanding into the next grander version of the vision you hold for yourself. Not my vision for you ... your vision of you.

I focus my energy on creating good in the world ... creating tolerance as opposed to fighting against intolerance ... creating opportunity rather than fighting oppression ... the fights don't get the results that I want.

Yes I get sad, frustrated, overwhelmed, disappointed ... I am a compassionate human. Sometimes I am afraid ... sometimes I am angry but anger does not equate to hate.

Hate can never yield the results I want and I am pragmatic enough to care about the outcome.



Abracadabra's photo
Tue 07/19/11 08:38 PM

I don't hate anything.

That doesn't mean I condone the horrors of genocide or abuse or slavery. Don't be ridiculous!

For me, not hating anything comes from a place of deep understanding ... do not interpret that as acceptance, and do not interpret that as a lack of understanding if you believe differently.

Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.

Fighting against doesn't work. We have only to look at the WAR ON CANCER ... the WAR ON TERRORISM ... the WAR ON DRUGS ... to see the ineffectiveness of such nonsense. Billions of dollars, dozens of years for very little progress.

When the USA decided to put a man on the moon it was to beat the Russians to it. They were FOR being first. I read that it only took something miniscule like 18 months to do it. If we could put a man on the moon in 18 months ... surely we could find an answer to just one of the things we've declared war on here on earth ...if only we became FOR something ...

My ground of being comes from a place of creating in the world ... and is in keeping with the vision that I hold for everyone. To live freely, joyfully, ever expanding into the next grander version of the vision you hold for yourself. Not my vision for you ... your vision of you.

I focus my energy on creating good in the world ... creating tolerance as opposed to fighting against intolerance ... creating opportunity rather than fighting oppression ... the fights don't get the results that I want.

Yes I get sad, frustrated, overwhelmed, disappointed ... I am a compassionate human. Sometimes I am afraid ... sometimes I am angry but anger does not equate to hate.

Hate can never yield the results I want and I am pragmatic enough to care about the outcome.





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Tue 07/19/11 08:46 PM

Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?

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