Thank you for your part in the game but you still lose,

Intense anger is rage, not hatred.

So my definition still stands and it is still a negative emotion that eats the feeler from the inside out until they are not a pleasant person to be with nor eventually rational at all. It actually shows itself to be quite mentally unwell for the most part.

So how would you know hate? Would you have to evaluate the actions of the person experiencing this emotion and then judge the goodness, or badness?

This seems rather backward. I know hate the second I experience it. No actions needed.

When you see something you hate, the first thing is an immediate response, a visceral response, a passionate response. Good and bad do not play into it at that point, it is merely a reaction.

When you first experience hate you may grit your teeth, you may have visions of destruction, you may even want to get away from it. Flight or fight so to speak.

Now do I stop hating when I calm down and then evaluate what course of action to take . . . no I do not think so, I still hate that thing, I still want it gone from existence, I have just distanced myself from it long enough to engage my rational mind.

Let us explore what it would mean for hate to always have to be bad. Hate is an emotion do you agree? If you agree hate is an emotion, and you believe hate to always be bad, then you would have to show that this emotion always leads to bad behaviors. That is on you to show, you are claiming this attribute of hate, and you cannot do so, it is an impossible task.

The problem with your definition is that it requires a subjective evaluation of a set of outcomes that have not occurred yet when the emotion has. Good and bad are evaluations of outcomes.

That makes it flawed. You really cannot overcome that deficiency. You will always have to justify why it is good or bad, you will always struggle to label hate becuase of this, and thus it is a terrible definition.

I believe my philosophy of there is no good or bad emotion, only good or bad actions that stem from emotions.

Emotions are the human mind/body communicating a subconscious message to your consciousness. This is not good or bad, what you do with it can be.

THAT is rational, THAT is measurable, THAT is understandable without alluding to a set of actions that may never occur.

Healthy or unhealthy, positive or negative effects, good or bad are not evaluations of outcomes so you are still flawed here. Emotions are reactions of our body to outside and inside influences and the responses our body has can be good or bad and that is not the outcome of the emotion. The emotion itself is good or bad, healthy or unhealthy, positive effect or negative effect.....

Measurable, that is funny...

Hatred is a negative emotion that causes us to be unhealthy of body and mind no matter if we act on it or not.

Bushidobillyclub said:



Do you watch movies?

If people hate violence, why are violent movies so popular?
Why do we have wars?

People love violence and excitement and revenge. People love to hate.

I don't see anger and hatred being even close to the same thing.
Anger can motivate you to action.

Hatred can motivate you to anger.

Example:

Some serial killer tortures your wife and kills her while you are tied up helpless.

You experience hatred. You want to kill the bastard.

You are helpless because you are tied up. Then you get angry and you manifest super strength from that anger and you break the rope that binds you.

Then you kill the bastard.

Just too stubborn to even attempt to understand. No one uses your definition. The only people who do are using emotion as there new age religion ala the secret.

Definitions must remain simple. Adding that it must always represent a value assessment is silly.

You have failed to show why it is needed to always be bad, except that you say so. I have shown why a value assessment is subjective.

You also start with the conclusion, this is bad, and work your way backward toward hate.

Instead of experiencing the emotion, then working your way toward the conclusions.

I am starting to hate having these conversations where I break things down into tiny little bits, putting in all this work to really analyze something, and having someone essentially say . . . no becuase I say so.

It really is childish. I took time to go with you on a journey of what it would mean for any given emotion to always be bad or good, you have taken no time to come along on the journey with really anyone else.

7 pages of dragoness saying she is right becuase she is right.

You sure you don't hate people who think hate can be good, you sure are putting a lot of effort into it.

How would you know? You never answered that for me.

From my definition it is easy to know 2 easy questions, was the emotional response intense? Do you want this thing to not exist? If yes you hate it. Does that require it to be bad? No.

You however CANNOT create such an equation, becuase your definition requires a value assessment of good and bad. You start with your conclusion then reach back to define the emotion. Bas-Ackwards

I hated smoking cigarettes, I quite. Positive. Now prove I didn't hate it. Since it is you who requires hate to be negative, it is up to you to demonstrate how this either was not hate, or was not positive.



JB, do you really thing this proves anything? The only difference between anger and hate is that to hate is to want the thing you hate to not exist.

I hate smoking, I worked toward not smoking . . . mission accomplished.

I hate lies, I worked toward removing lies from my life: mission in progress.

I hate ignorance, I work toward removing ignorance from existence: mission doomed to failure, especially on these forums.

I did not mean to prove anything except to give an example of how I view the meaning of the word hate.

I know how you are using the word "hate." That is not what I feel that hate is.

What you are describing is preferences.

You would rather no smoke or be around smoke. <---preference.
You prefer not to smoke for what ever reason.

Hatred, for me, means something a lot more intense than to simply dislike something so much that you want it to change.

It is more like the urge to kill or hurt someone, not just to change a situation.

LOL, you proved nothing, nada...lol and it is too funny that you think you did.

You have proven that you equate hate to anger, you equate hate to dislike, you equate hate to rage, you equate hate to a slew of things it is not.

You have proven that you do not have a good understanding of emotions because they cannot be measured or even identified from the action that ensues when it does.

You prove nothing and have discredited me not one bit.

Hatred is a negative emotion that is unhealthy and does not produce positive results.

Hatred motivates a person to do very bad things if they act on it. It is not positive in any way.

You can't disprove that.

(hā'trĭd) pronunciation
n.
Intense animosity or hostility.

Simone doesn't give off that attitude that makes her seem miserable. You're often arguing and complaining about things that make you seem miserable. There's quite a difference between you two. So, I have absolutely no problem believing Simone is not consumed by hate. You were the one talking about having a long list of things you hated and you have the attitude that goes with it.

Perfectly good synonyms. However they do not require a value assessment.

Emotions are neither good or bad, no matter what Yoda says. Like many things in life, it is what you do with it that counts.

This seems to be very true for some. If they're not hating something/someone, they're unhappy. For some, hatred makes them feel better about themselves somehow.

For the poison of hatred seated near the heart doubles the burden for the one who suffers the disease; he is burdened with his own sorrow, and groans on seeing another's happiness.
Aeschylus

Hatred is a feeling which leads to the extinction of values.
Jose Ortega y Gasset

Hatred is self-punishment.
Hosea Ballou

Hatred is something peculiar. You will always find it strongest and most violent where there is the lowest degree of culture.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Hatred, in the course of time, kills the unhappy wretch who delights in nursing it in his bosom.
Giacomo Casanova

Being that hatred is an emotion, you cannot sit here and tell people what they do and do not feel.

You guys are so funny, you are like,"well that wasn't hatred". As if any of you can delve into another persons experiences and tell them what it is . . .

A definition should not have to do that, it should be simple and easy. It really should be a big clue when you have to tell other people what they experienced in order to keep your definition intact.

I hated smoking, it made me physically ill to think about my life continuing to spend that much money on something that was killing me and gave me no pleasure, I HATED IT, passionately, and so I with great disdain forcefully removed it from my life, with GREAT animosity. The fact I built up such animosity was the EXACT thing that allowed me to quit cold turkey.

It was a positive hate of a bad thing and over time my hate subsided as most emotions do, I now do not mind other smoking, but what I really hated was ME smoking so that has not changed.

Now, I have to agree with spider, something I do not often do, I HATE child abusers. It is not my understanding of them that does this, it is an emotional reaction, it is visceral, and I challenge most people to deny they share this same response. I can turn around and ask the physiological questions and still have this same response to seeing an example of this behavior.

Not synonyms it is the definition of hatred.

Yes emotions are healthy and unhealthy, positive and negative, good and bad for us.

Denial is also bad for us

Bushidobillyclub,

"Good or bad" is an opinion.

It is good that we can experience a full range of emotions. Emotion is a powerful force in life and in manifesting our desires.

Desire itself is a powerful force.

If you don't know what you want out of life, (preferences) you will get what you get according to your state of mind. (by default)

If your state of mind dwells in depression, hatred, fear, hopelessness, your life will follow those vibrations and you will be miserable.

If you don't want to be miserable you have to guide your emotions to more positive thoughts and feelings.

If you can use emotions like anger and hate to pull yourself out of what you do not prefer, then they are good.

If you let emotions like anger and hatred dominate your life, and it pulls you into misery and despair, then that is "bad."

(Unless you like and prefer misery and despair.)

So bottom line, whether something is good or bad depends on how it aids or impedes you in getting what you want.

Anyway,,,,

back to how unhealthy hatred is for your body and mind.


It is an extreme stressor and so all the problems associated with stress fit into what hatred does to the body.

I think also the secret here is to resolve the hatred to the best of your ability so that you do not feel it and suffer it's negative effects on your body and mind.

You can really tell someone who holds onto it and emits it from every poor. They are the downer to all fun times that is for sure.

Animosity is not a definition, it is a word with a definition of its own.

an·i·mos·i·ty
   /ˌænəˈmɒsɪti/ Show Spelled[an-uh-mos-i-tee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
a feeling of strong dislike, ill will, or enmity that tends to display itself in action: a deep-seated animosity between two sisters; animosity against one's neighbor.


Please explain to me how this is different from what I said earlier.

I said that hate was intense emotion, or anger for something you want to NOT exist. That it would propell you to fight or flight.


Here we see animosity means ill will, dislike, and tends to display itself in action..

We have something you do not like . . . . anger is the emotional display of dislike.

Ill will, means you want to do harm to the thing, which the ultimate harm you can do is eradication. ie you want it to not exist.

Display itself in action, I said hate can be good if it moves you to action against something negative.

How is the hell can you use this to try to argue against what I have said is beyond me. The truth is that you are trying to preach your philosophy not really talk about definitions, and that is where the problem is, most of us are having an honest conversation and you are trying to evangelize your religion of emotion.