I defined the word "hate" in my post you quoted.

The post was a complex one, and it congeals only if you read the entire post from beginning to end.

I sometimes have thoughts that can't be said in one sentence, or even in one paragraph, and definitely not when it comes to explaining it to others.

I don't know, spider... did you read that post of mine, or just read the first line and replied to it?

Why else would you ask me to define "hate"? I did that right in that post, and I contested there the validity of dictionary definitions, inasmuch as I said there is a case of equivocation, and there are inevitable connotations with "hate" beside its meaining of "passionate dislike".

I think I made sense there, and put it down well, but I've been wrong before in assuming I was understandable to others.

The main thrust of that post was to show how "hate" can be an equivocal word with different meanings, and how it has connotations that dicitonary definitions don't supply; and then I showed the equivocation and I showed the connotations.

What else do you want me to do to define this word, Spider? If I define it again, will you promise to read the entire post, or will you read the first sentence or one sentence from it again, and assume you got the jist of what I said?

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I am not going to oppress you, and you feel any way you like about the rape of a child. I say my emotions about it are repulsion and disgust, and my opinion on it is disapproval.

I don't actually "hate" that action.

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A bit more explaining on the definition of "hate".

Do you hate languages, or math? I can see a person hating to study math or languages, but they can't actually hate math or languages. They may hate the fact that they are forced to study those things, but the subject of the studying is not something they feel an intense "dislike" against.

But we still say, some of us, "I hate history, I hate shop."

This is what I meant in the definition somewhere, that it is a highly idiomatised word, "hate". You can't define a word for every idiom it serves, if the usage is truly idiomatic.

Is this explained in your dictionary, Spider? Is this something you agree with or not? So do you see that dictionaries are not a true store of the meaning of words in the language? Sometimes you have to exercise judgment and let your feeling and gut interpretation overrule dictionary meanings.

I think it is dependent on the situation. I think it perfectly healthy to hate something if that something is destroying your life and to not hate means inaction when action could move your life into a place that would be more conducive to the continuance of said life.

Many times apathy, or inaction can be more unhealthy than the hate that moves a person to action.

I hated being crippled. I moved toward action to get out of that situation. Working hard via physical therapy was the thing that kept me alive.

I hated the neighborhood I grew up in, I moved toward action to get out of that neighborhood.

I think all emotion has its place, it is about the proper emotion, intensity and duration for the situation.

Defining something in such a way that it is always extreme/bad/ect really just removes flexibility of meaning.

I think you are simply talking about strong preferences. Anger that inspires you to take action can be a positive thing simply because anger is a better emotion than hopelessness and depression.

Not liking the situation you are in and becoming angry enough to take action is realization you have a preference and that you desire something else. It inspires intention to change it. This is a climbing of the ladder of emotion from hopelessness to joy. This ladder is explained in detail in a book called "Ask and it is Given" by Esther and Jerry Hicks.

When you move from depression and hopelessness to anger and action, you are moving up the scale towards better emotions.

Life is not full of lollipops and roses people. Just being in this thread is making those of you who "dont believe in negative feelings" act out in a negative way. When we wake up each day and go about our business i think a lot of people myself included enter the day hoping for the best. The education system and the govt system and the divorce rate in this country is causing way too many problems in this world not to mention the religious system, it's no wonder people are full of hate /and or anger....deal with it. All you are doing is getting upset by haters and it's putting a damper on your bright shiny bubblegum world. Get over it. No-one is saying their life is consumed by hate. Can you hate one or two maybe even more things throughout life. Sure. Does that make you a pessimist, NO. Hate is a passion. It was put in the dictionary for a reason. to be used......

One of the most honest things I have seen on this thread so far!

Wisdom of the Ages!

No one is suggesting that negative feelings do not exit or that we do not have to deal with them.

The point is that we can use the power of our will to upgrade our emotions from feeling hopeless, depressed, angry, disgusted, all the way up to thinking and feeling more positive and joyful.

We can control our thoughts and emotions by directing our attention to other things.

To dwell too long in anger and hatred is to get stuck. When you do this, you are only going to create problems and be miserable.

Thank You Andy!

QFT

She's right you know. Nobody has said their lives are consumed by hate, but some haters have said that other people's lives are consumed by hate.

I personally think people enjoy hating each other. This is why Al Gore invented Internet forums. Now people can hate each other conveniently from the comfort of their own home thus reducing road rage and social brawls that become public sumo wrestling events.

President Obama is pushing to have Internet access for everyone so we can all hate each other from home without wasting gasoline.

Instead of real war maybe we should settle our disputes with flame wars over the Internet, or war games with Nintendo.

Since non-hate does not = non action, this is kinda a moot point here.

But from what I see from your text, frustration and non acceptance was your motivator, not hatred.

Hatred is a negative emotion that doesn't do anything positive in anyone's life. If you would have felt hatred it would have consumed you from the inside out and trapped you in the cycle of hatred. I could give you examples of hatred but it would mean I would have to post information from bad people and sites on here and I will not do that.

IMHO, Large amounts of Anger directed at a thing person or place = Hate.

When you define a term to always be negative, you have defined it out of meaningfulness IMHO.

Personally I think you should except hate as positive when the thing you hate is negative.

I hate violence.
It is only moot when your definition requires the word to always be negative.

Strong emotion moves you to action. Hate is a strong emotion. Actions can be positive. Hate that moves you to positive action is a positive emotion.

All emotions can be negative, all emotions can be positive.

You really cannot dictate what a person feels, you must except it for what it is, therefor when a person tells you they hate something, and that hate moved them toward positive action, you must accept that hate can be positive.

You can always define words into meaninglessness, or turn them into a pejorative by making it impossible for it to be good regardless of context.

Because two wrongs make a right--WAKE UP! (sarcasm)

Actions make things good or bad, not feelings.

All of us can take strong emotions and turn them into something positive, something good, or something bad. What we do counts. IMHO the best things that have ever been done for people have been done with extremely strong emotions such as hate, the people doing the things however regardless of there emotionsw were acting in a positive good natured way.


THAT is important, not that we define hate as always bad.

Hatred is irrational. There is no logic that backs hating something or someone. That is what makes it hatred.

Disliking something or being uncomfortable with something even abhorring something is still not hatred.

My two favorite pet peeves lying and litterbugs. I come the closest to hatred I have ever been on those two things but I will not allow myself to go to hatred because hatred is a negative. Nothing positive will come from me hating them/it.

So how do I get around it? I figure a person who feels the need to lie has an issue that I cannot help so I avoid them. Litterbug, I just continually clean up the trash in the yard and around my door and hope that seeing me do it will make them stop. I can't change them so no use hating them.

The unhealthy effect of hatred on the body seem to be common knowledge in most of the places I looked to see what the consensus was but I cannot find a study that shows it.

There is not one example of hatred turned positive with the exception of someone watching the hatred eat the other person up and deciding they will not do it to themselves.

Not one example of hatred doing good in history, no where.

Sounds to me like your definition of hatred is what is irrational, it requires a subjective evaluation of good or bad to know if it really is hate, or just strong anger . . . which to me is the same thing.

How could you tell the difference between strong anger, and hate?

You have said you come close to hatred of sum and such, how would you know if you crossed over?

You have created a definition for a word which requires it to be negative, or bad, a subjective evaluation.

I define emotions as neither negative, or positive. I find this to be more sound from a logic stand point. In fact my definition could even be defined objectively. We could hook me into an FMRI machine and see the reaction of my body to my mental state, and gauge the intensity of that reaction. If I described it as intense anger and we marked off a spot when it reached a certain level, we could mark that as hate making it objectively defined.

So your definition requires us to gauge if the emotion is good or bad.


My definition only requires us to gauge the intensity of the anger.

I think mine is simpler, more linear, and thus more rational than yours. I wager you have no real arguments against this only more, " I am right becuase I say so"

Thanks for playing.

I have already give you 3.

The real issue in this thread is that some people have created a religion out of thoughts and emotion. With hate being the devil.