Topic: Is not hating anything normal?
ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 08:53 PM


Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?


When you have a march FOR peace, I will be there ...



Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 07/19/11 08:55 PM


Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?


You completely missed ArtGurl's point.


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Tue 07/19/11 08:56 PM



Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?


When you have a march FOR peace, I will be there ...


I've read her quote. But she could be thinking "I'm not going to march against war, because sometimes it's necessary, but I will march for peace, because it's always desirable."

Dragoness's photo
Tue 07/19/11 08:56 PM

i don't hate anything



ditto

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Tue 07/19/11 08:58 PM



Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?


You completely missed ArtGurl's point.




No, I got her point, trust me on that. The bold line above is her conclusion on why Mother Theresa wouldn't march against war. I disagree with that conclusion. I base that on the fact that Mother Theresa was a follower of Jesus and Jesus and his disciples taught that sometimes wars were necessary or inevitable.

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Tue 07/19/11 08:59 PM




Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?


You completely missed ArtGurl's point.




No, I got her point, trust me on that. The bold line above is her conclusion on why Mother Theresa wouldn't march against war. I disagree with that conclusion. I base that on the fact that Mother Theresa was a follower of Jesus and Jesus and his disciples taught that sometimes wars were necessary or inevitable.


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Dragoness's photo
Tue 07/19/11 09:04 PM



@ Andy


really

freaking out, as you call it when a mouse runs by, is not hate

at times i feel annoyed, sad, discouraged, angry....i experience

many emotions.

i don't hate anything or anybody





But don't fear and hate go hand in hand? I mean they are the Peanut Butter and Jelly on the bread of the human condition are they not?


i don't fear mice or spiders let alone hate them
i'm on the coast in oregon, i've learned to live with the spiders
and any mouse problem my cat takes care of

i do love a good peanut butter and jelly sandwich though

i agree that it can be easy for us to hate what we fear, i get that

see, i choose to be happy
i choose to create good things in my life
if i focus on all the bad, and HATE all the bad in the world
well, what would i be creating on a personal level?
a bad and hateful existence is what
no thanks! me being hateful isn't going to change anything

i can never hate anything (or anyone) enough to make 'it' go away
i can never be sick enough to make someone else well
i can never be sad enough to make another happy
i can never be poor enough to make somebody else rich

see?

if i have a 'melt down' (as you say) it would more than likely
be from all the hate and violence i witness, not the denial of it



Hate is not a constructive emotion. It doesn't do anything good for the feeler or the feelee.

Not good for the spirit or the attitude. Doesn't make a day better.

Nothing good comes from hatred.

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 09:23 PM




Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?


When you have a march FOR peace, I will be there ...


I've read her quote. But she could be thinking "I'm not going to march against war, because sometimes it's necessary, but I will march for peace, because it's always desirable."




"I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there.


"I am not sure exactly what heaven will be like, but I do know that when we die and it comes time for God to judge us, he will NOT ask, How many good things have you done in your life?, rather he will ask, How much LOVE did you put into what you did?"


"I believe in person to person. Every person is Christ for me, and since there is only one Jesus, that person is the one person in the world at that moment."

"Peope are unrealistic; illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway."

Let us always meet each other with smile, for the smile is the beginning of love."

"I prefer you to make mistakes in kindness than work miracles in unkindness."

"Each one of them is Jesus in disguise."




Do you really think she would support war?


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Tue 07/19/11 09:25 PM

Do you really think she would support war?


A just war to stop Genocide and unchecked aggression (like WWII)? I would certainly hope so.

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 09:28 PM




Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.


Or maybe she agreed with Jesus that sometimes wars were inevitable and necessary?


You completely missed ArtGurl's point.




No, I got her point, trust me on that. The bold line above is her conclusion on why Mother Theresa wouldn't march against war. I disagree with that conclusion. I base that on the fact that Mother Theresa was a follower of Jesus and Jesus and his disciples taught that sometimes wars were necessary or inevitable.



Actually no ... the bold line is my conclusion based upon my own experience.

But nothing I have seen of her in interviews and books would lead me to conclude that she would support war. That is just not what she has said.


ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 09:31 PM


Do you really think she would support war?


A just war to stop Genocide and unchecked aggression (like WWII)? I would certainly hope so.




Darfur ... Chad ... don't see that war stopping the genocide frown

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Tue 07/19/11 09:35 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Tue 07/19/11 09:35 PM



Do you really think she would support war?


A just war to stop Genocide and unchecked aggression (like WWII)? I would certainly hope so.




Darfur ... Chad ... don't see that war stopping the genocide frown


Their Governments are funding the genocide. The Genocide won't stop until another country comes in to take down the existing government or all of the blacks are dead. It will probably be that all of the non-Muslim blacks will be killed.

Interesting note, since you brought up Darfur and Chad, did you know that "Zurga" means both "black person" and "slave" in Arabic?

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 09:36 PM




Do you really think she would support war?


A just war to stop Genocide and unchecked aggression (like WWII)? I would certainly hope so.




Darfur ... Chad ... don't see that war stopping the genocide frown


Their Governments are funding the genocide. The Genocide won't stop until another country comes in to take down the existing government or all of the blacks are dead. It will probably be that all of the non-Muslim blacks will be killed.

Interesting note, since you brought up Darfur and Chad, did you know that "Zurga" means both "black person" and "slave" in Arabic?


No I didn't know that

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Tue 07/19/11 09:39 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Tue 07/19/11 09:40 PM





Do you really think she would support war?


A just war to stop Genocide and unchecked aggression (like WWII)? I would certainly hope so.




Darfur ... Chad ... don't see that war stopping the genocide frown


Their Governments are funding the genocide. The Genocide won't stop until another country comes in to take down the existing government or all of the blacks are dead. It will probably be that all of the non-Muslim blacks will be killed.

Interesting note, since you brought up Darfur and Chad, did you know that "Zurga" means both "black person" and "slave" in Arabic?


No I didn't know that


The purpose of those wars is to make 100% Muslim countries. Those who aren't killed are sold into slavery, often sex slavery. I can't imagine how someone could claim to be moral and oppose using war to end those genocides. (I'm not talking about you, I'm speaking in general)

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 10:24 PM






Do you really think she would support war?


A just war to stop Genocide and unchecked aggression (like WWII)? I would certainly hope so.




Darfur ... Chad ... don't see that war stopping the genocide frown


Their Governments are funding the genocide. The Genocide won't stop until another country comes in to take down the existing government or all of the blacks are dead. It will probably be that all of the non-Muslim blacks will be killed.

Interesting note, since you brought up Darfur and Chad, did you know that "Zurga" means both "black person" and "slave" in Arabic?


No I didn't know that


The purpose of those wars is to make 100% Muslim countries. Those who aren't killed are sold into slavery, often sex slavery. I can't imagine how someone could claim to be moral and oppose using war to end those genocides. (I'm not talking about you, I'm speaking in general)


I find it reprehensible the things that people do to one another in the name of God, in the name of country, in the 'so-called' name of love, in the name of race, etc.

...but I am sitting here thinking about war and am struggling to come up with a single example of a war that was altruistic... has there been a war that was not one of self interest?


AndyBgood's photo
Tue 07/19/11 10:37 PM
Edited by AndyBgood on Tue 07/19/11 10:38 PM







Do you really think she would support war?


A just war to stop Genocide and unchecked aggression (like WWII)? I would certainly hope so.




Darfur ... Chad ... don't see that war stopping the genocide frown


Their Governments are funding the genocide. The Genocide won't stop until another country comes in to take down the existing government or all of the blacks are dead. It will probably be that all of the non-Muslim blacks will be killed.

Interesting note, since you brought up Darfur and Chad, did you know that "Zurga" means both "black person" and "slave" in Arabic?


No I didn't know that


The purpose of those wars is to make 100% Muslim countries. Those who aren't killed are sold into slavery, often sex slavery. I can't imagine how someone could claim to be moral and oppose using war to end those genocides. (I'm not talking about you, I'm speaking in general)


I find it reprehensible the things that people do to one another in the name of God, in the name of country, in the 'so-called' name of love, in the name of race, etc.

...but I am sitting here thinking about war and am struggling to come up with a single example of a war that was altruistic... has there been a war that was not one of self interest?




WWII!!! At least from our end because had Japan and Germany dominated we would have been next anyways.

no photo
Tue 07/19/11 10:37 PM

I don't hate anything.

That doesn't mean I condone the horrors of genocide or abuse or slavery. Don't be ridiculous!

For me, not hating anything comes from a place of deep understanding ... do not interpret that as acceptance, and do not interpret that as a lack of understanding if you believe differently.

Mother Theresa when asked to march AGAINST war refused. But she said that if they had a march FOR peace she would be there. The energy is different when you are fighting against something or when you are being for something.

Fighting against doesn't work. We have only to look at the WAR ON CANCER ... the WAR ON TERRORISM ... the WAR ON DRUGS ... to see the ineffectiveness of such nonsense. Billions of dollars, dozens of years for very little progress.

When the USA decided to put a man on the moon it was to beat the Russians to it. They were FOR being first. I read that it only took something miniscule like 18 months to do it. If we could put a man on the moon in 18 months ... surely we could find an answer to just one of the things we've declared war on here on earth ...if only we became FOR something ...

My ground of being comes from a place of creating in the world ... and is in keeping with the vision that I hold for everyone. To live freely, joyfully, ever expanding into the next grander version of the vision you hold for yourself. Not my vision for you ... your vision of you.

I focus my energy on creating good in the world ... creating tolerance as opposed to fighting against intolerance ... creating opportunity rather than fighting oppression ... the fights don't get the results that I want.

Yes I get sad, frustrated, overwhelmed, disappointed ... I am a compassionate human. Sometimes I am afraid ... sometimes I am angry but anger does not equate to hate.

Hate can never yield the results I want and I am pragmatic enough to care about the outcome.


Thank you, ArtGurl; I totally agree. If I'm not normal for not having hate inside of me, then I guess I'm not normal. I used to hate until I learned that the worse thing hatred does is make ME sick inside. It does no good.

no photo
Tue 07/19/11 10:38 PM
Is altruism the measure of whether Mother Theresa or anyone else would or ought to support a war?

Might we support a war that is motivated partly by self-interest, which we also see as necessary, or better than any alternative?

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 11:12 PM

I am not a supporter of war for a bunch of reasons. I just don't think it works .

I am not naive either and know that humans have to fight about something.

Fine


The leaders put on big plastic Sumo wrestling suits and get into a ring
No guns ... no innocent children
No faceless, nameless soldiers to hide behind
No death
No destruction to the planet or the food and water supply

It is a world wide pay per view event
Proceeds pay for schools, hospitals, food, clothing, shelter for the most impoverished

The leaders run at one another in all their rage
I can't imagine anyone being able to do that for more than 20 minutes without:

1. being completely exhausted
2. laughing hysterically

Even the crankiest couldn't hold out more that 90 minutes


That is a war I would support

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 07/19/11 11:13 PM

Thank you, ArtGurl; I totally agree. If I'm not normal for not having hate inside of me, then I guess I'm not normal. I used to hate until I learned that the worse thing hatred does is make ME sick inside. It does no good.



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