Topic: Is not hating anything normal?
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Wed 07/20/11 04:55 PM
Hate is a negative emotion that eats you from the inside out and makes you a miserable person to be around.

Not a healthy emotion at all.

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Wed 07/20/11 04:55 PM


You spend much of your time in these forums being condescending to others. Now that you're saying you're full of hate, that makes a bit more sense, as people who hate so much tend to be pretty miserable.


I need you to do me a favor. Could you quote where I said that I'm "full of hate"?


As you can see, I was replying to your "intense dislike of many things" which you had already said meant hate. So, you hate many things, yes? And since you like personal experience so much, in my personal experience with those who hate a lot of things, they are often pretty miserable.

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Wed 07/20/11 04:58 PM



You spend much of your time in these forums being condescending to others. Now that you're saying you're full of hate, that makes a bit more sense, as people who hate so much tend to be pretty miserable.


I need you to do me a favor. Could you quote where I said that I'm "full of hate"?


As you can see, I was replying to your "intense dislike of many things" which you had already said meant hate. So, you hate many things, yes? And since you like personal experience so much, in my personal experience with those who hate a lot of things, they are often pretty miserable.


Serious question: You don't intensely dislike child prostitution, murder, rape or genocide?

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Wed 07/20/11 05:02 PM




You spend much of your time in these forums being condescending to others. Now that you're saying you're full of hate, that makes a bit more sense, as people who hate so much tend to be pretty miserable.


I need you to do me a favor. Could you quote where I said that I'm "full of hate"?


As you can see, I was replying to your "intense dislike of many things" which you had already said meant hate. So, you hate many things, yes? And since you like personal experience so much, in my personal experience with those who hate a lot of things, they are often pretty miserable.


Serious question: You don't intensely dislike child prostitution, murder, rape or genocide?


Where did I say I didn't? Of course I wouldn't like any of those things. Did you really even need to ask? I also didn't say I didn't hate anything. I did point out that there are others who don't hate things, or don't hate many things. Do I hate a lot? No. As I've said, for the most part, hate is a waste of energy and I try not to be so negative about things all the time.

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Wed 07/20/11 05:04 PM

Where did I say I didn't? Of course I wouldn't like any of those things. Did you really even need to ask? I also didn't say I didn't hate anything. I did point out that there are others who don't hate things, or don't hate many things. Do I hate a lot? No. As I've said, for the most part, hate is a waste of energy and I try not to be so negative about things all the time.


So if we hate the same kinds of things, why do you say I'm full of hate, but you aren't?

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Wed 07/20/11 05:06 PM
Well, you said you intensely dislike many things. I can't read your mind to know what those "many things" are. If those are the only things you hate, ok. But, what you listed there wasn't "many things."

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Wed 07/20/11 05:08 PM
Sing you are right, there is no constructive purpose to hatred.

You can despise an action by a person without hatred.

You can reject a person's actions without hatred.

You can abhor an action by a person and not hate them.

Hatred is not needed to live a healthy life. It is actually detrimental to living a healthy life.


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Wed 07/20/11 05:10 PM
I can absolutely see why people would hate the things spider listed. But, the OP kept talking about hating things like spiders, mice and being woken up in the middle of the night. Those are things I can't see hating. Why bother? Sure, someone may not like them, but do people really hate things like that? I guess I just don't see the purpose. But, people do exaggerate, so maybe that's it.

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Wed 07/20/11 05:11 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 07/20/11 05:12 PM

Well, you said you intensely dislike many things. I can't read your mind to know what those "many things" are. If those are the only things you hate, ok. But, what you listed there wasn't "many things."


The full list would be incredibly long and I'll bet you would agree with 99% of what I listed.

I'm self-aware enough to know that there are many things of which I have an intense dislike. I don't spend all of my time dwelling on those things, but I do have an intense dislike for them.

I would say that anyone who doesn't feel hate towards some actions, is a person without a strong moral fiber.

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Wed 07/20/11 05:13 PM
Spider asked:

You don't intensely dislike child prostitution, murder, rape or genocide?


If you are not around those things, you don't dwell on "hating" them. If you don't sit around thinking about them, they you don't spend time "hating them."

Thinking about things you hate and sitting around "hating them" leads to negative stinking thinking. Why even think about them?

There is no point in it. There is nothing productive about it.


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Wed 07/20/11 05:13 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Wed 07/20/11 05:14 PM


Well, you said you intensely dislike many things. I can't read your mind to know what those "many things" are. If those are the only things you hate, ok. But, what you listed there wasn't "many things."


The full list would be incredibly long and I'll bet you would agree with 99% of what I listed.

I'm self-aware to know that there are many things of which I have an intense dislike. I don't spend all of my time dwelling on those things, but I do have an intense dislike for them.

I would say that anyone who doesn't feel hate towards some actions, is a person without a strong moral fiber.


Without seeing the list, I cannot agree that I'd feel the same about 99%.

You're going to judge someone's morals based on what they don't hate? Are you assuming people like things if they don't hate them?

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Wed 07/20/11 05:16 PM

singmesweet said...

You're going to judge someone's morals based on what they don't hate? Are you assuming people like things if they don't hate them?


No, I mean that they lack the strength of character to always stand up for what is right.

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Wed 07/20/11 05:17 PM
So, they must hate something to stand up for what is right? huh

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Wed 07/20/11 05:20 PM

singmesweet said...

So, they must hate something to stand up for what is right? huh


If you don't have an intense dislike for something, why would you stand against it?

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Wed 07/20/11 05:30 PM

So, they must hate something to stand up for what is right? huh


No it is not needed.

Hatred is destructive not constructive. It is just not healthy.

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Wed 07/20/11 05:32 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Wed 07/20/11 05:33 PM


singmesweet said...

So, they must hate something to stand up for what is right? huh


If you don't have an intense dislike for something, why would you stand against it?


Standing up for what is right and standing against something can be different. If you're standing up for what is right, you may be for something.

But, from what you've said, yes you do think that someone must hate something in order to stand up for what is right.

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Wed 07/20/11 05:36 PM

I don't hate. I just don't give a damn. :tongue:


You know, Jeanniebean, that's not the same thing at all.

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Wed 07/20/11 05:39 PM

Hate is a negative emotion that eats you from the inside out and makes you a miserable person to be around.

Not a healthy emotion at all.


You mean... hate is hunger? Hunger for something? Something like chocolate mousse cake?

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Wed 07/20/11 05:52 PM
Edited by wux on Wed 07/20/11 05:53 PM

Spider asked:

You don't intensely dislike child prostitution, murder, rape or genocide?


If you are not around those things, you don't dwell on "hating" them. If you don't sit around thinking about them, they you don't spend time "hating them."

Thinking about things you hate and sitting around "hating them" leads to negative stinking thinking. Why even think about them?

There is no point in it. There is nothing productive about it.




I got hung up on the same thing. You can hate a child rapist, but you can't hate child rape.

You can hate broccoli soup, but you can't hate the cook or the farmer.

So what we are dealing with here are on one hand equivocation (a Hate is not always the one and same thing), and on the other hand, a highly but very clandestinely idiomatically used word -- that is, a word that could be fitting or not fitting in a word usage, but we use it because of the idiom's set word-structure.

It is for this reason that "intense dislike" is not quite a fitting definition. "Hate" sometimes includes a serious wish for restructuring the values of another; like I hate republicans/democrats, or I hate the president, or I hate the transit system. The objects of my hatred in these sentences are asked, or wished, to change their values, characters, or traits. This does not include a wish for destroying the individual or system, at all. Anger wants us to destroy; hatred makes us wish to change another.

What about hating broccoli? It is not a change but an excusion from our experiencing it. I hate the Spandau Ballet; I hate classic rock; I hate my math teacher. In these instances our motivation stems from intense dislike, but the word hate carries the connotation that we want to distance ourselves from these people and things. We do not want them to change, morally, in values, or in traits; we know that to change them would involve changing their own identity, and we don't want to do that. We just want these hated things to go away and stay away.

Then there is racial hatred, which is the same as the "go away" kind of hatred, except the racially hater can't realistically wish for that. Racial hatred is therefore a very frustrating experience.

Therefore, when there is no broccoli, you don't hate broccoli. When there is no Republican, you still hate the republicans. Racial hatred carries components of both: you simply want the racially hated group to go away and stay away, but you can't get that wish ever, so this knowledge forces you, the racial hater, to constantly hate a race, whereas racial hatred ought not to have this feature of constancy, by its own nature.

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Wed 07/20/11 06:56 PM

Let's define our terms. What does "Hate" mean?


I know, right? Good luck.