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Topic: DOES GOD EXIST ?
Tom4Uhere's photo
Thu 10/17/19 12:39 AM

it's ok if you hate this Yeshua/Jesus Personna.
it's ok if you choose to believe He did not exist like Ancient Cultures proposed.
it really is ok that you just find it all foolishness.

but that is no reason to interject a point that factually only caused less than 2% of the past World Wars in death totals, and less than an actual [percent] in total combat deaths per "Cause."

in other words, the deaths we have read about people killing, forcing to convert, and other inhumane acts all in the Name of (Jesus) [are literally less than one whole percent] compared to combat deaths because a Narcissistic Ruler wanted to go to War and take what other Peoples owned.

the English Crusaders for Jesus killed thousands of Muslims and other inhabitants during their Reign. All of those who died during the Crusade, [is Less Than one whole percent] of those who died while England maintained the American Colonies and wiping out the Native Peoples in the process.

There are real "History Books" that contain these facts I am presenting to You. Your answers are SKEWED due to being Biased.
they are not even remotely close to any realm of factuality.

I agree.
Thing is, I don't and never have learned from past wars.
I do learn from the experiences that happen to me in my lifetime.
A lifetime that is rather long(considering other) but not in the scope of recorded history.
If I never read about it, watched a special on it nor heard about it but lived the life I have lived, the ONLY thing that really matters is what I experienced which made me who I am today.

What I mean is, I am that which I have experienced as reality.
Yes, there are lessons to be learned from history but those lessons pale in importance to actual experience.
The wisdom I gain is only a small part of history but significant to my experiences in life. Those experiences give me wisdom were the history gives me knowledge.
Experience always trumps out knowledge.
Again OMO.

Youngpass's photo
Thu 10/17/19 01:02 AM
God exist and he is not dead

notbeold's photo
Thu 10/17/19 06:54 AM
Does X exist ?
Any court of enquiry or court of law requires proof of something.
Beyond reasonable doubt.
No proof = nothing to bother about.
Or keep looking for clues.

Not rainbows and flowers and improbable amazing things, but proof. frustrated
(not over proof)drinker

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Thu 10/17/19 09:14 AM
Can't say this unbeliever is easily convinced by people who just state something with no 'proof' whatsoever. If X exists, then I need to read the discussion in respectable and relevant peer reviewed scientific journals. If there is nothing in these journals, ideas are no more than theories. Nothing wrong with theories, just so long as you only say, "I have a theory..." and do not state something as being fact, when there has been no proof of it.

iam_resurrected's photo
Thu 10/17/19 11:11 AM
NOTBROLD:
Does X exist ?
Any court of enquiry or court of law requires proof of something.
Beyond reasonable doubt.
No proof = nothing to bother about.
Or keep looking for clues.

Not rainbows and flowers and improbable amazing things, but proof. frustrated
(not over proof)drinker



i think it's safe to [assume] we can both agree that the likelihood of Medical Doctors (scientists within their realm of immediate studies) are generally mostly atheist towards a Higher Power.

Grant it, some are Believers, some are Pagans, Wiccans, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu's, blahblahblahblahblah and so forth on and on....but the majority are believers in Medical Sciences and Biology.

when it's these Medical Professionals (Scientists/Biologists) who claim they witnessed the "what is to be known as the SUPERNATURAL" on the operating table {like someone dies, not from a machine malfunction, not a glitch, not a human error at hand} and time has elapsed beyond logical state of revival due to lack of oxygen and nothing can be done but to chart "Time of Death" and move body to the Morgue.

when suddenly, an image that appears to be human form just materializes in their (Medical Physician[s] and Operating Room Staff) direct immediate sight line. And not being able to logically go into any sort of detail of what actually took place [since it was just a few seconds of "Real Time" elapsing]. All who are WITNESSING, only believe just a touch and maybe a spoken word or two, from a Language they are unfamiliar with, was all that "Took Place" in their (plane Sight)...

they could not conclude a fluke due to several factors.
it was "Real" and "All of Them" witnessed it.
the person was more than just Legally and Logically Deceased.
and Immediately after they realized and sensed what took place had expired and the figure they saw had exited...the Deceased was now among the Living.

this has literally happened all over Hospitals world wide. Yes, Doctors keep a tight lip and this is a discussion between patient/immediate family and Medical Staff of that specific incident. Some Doctors do admit it and you see it on television shows like 48 hours but obviously named differently.

this IS NOT a rare occurrence but happens more often than reported/admitted.

this is something that only SuperNaturally Speaking could do for the Deceased that the Medical Staff was inept and completely incapable of providing themselves. They were hopeless and beyond their limits of Comprehension. and then in the end, they have a patient (DEAD and Witnessed what took place)(even spoke to staff because the Deceased was AWARE the Medical Staff was paying attention 100%) who was Deceased and now is ALIVE SuperNaturally
...

this happens sometimes DAILY!!
that is without a doubt a Miracle, not a fluke...
this is Reality that takes place while you are and i are picking our noses...

that is more than Solid Proof!!
that is a Testimony by a true Atheist admitting to witnessing something they assumed did not Exist!!

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Thu 10/17/19 12:00 PM
Edited by The Wrong Alice on Thu 10/17/19 12:02 PM
Even if what you say about hospitals is true
You make no mention of attributing that to god
But I assume you do
Thus in doing so, you take it as proof, that your beliefs in god are validated
Maybe it is a different god, maybe it's Odin, maybe it's Kali, maybe it's an alien, maybe it's something else
So, yes, maybe it does prove something
But what it proves, would be different to different people

And ****. Yes, I know the English did a bunch of bad stuff, even though I wasn't taught that at school
Perhaps one of those things, was inventing a bastardized. Language
1 which we just happen to be using, right now
1 which perhaps puts a veil, on top of another veil, as to what other ancient languages mean, and what different sounds, frequencies and vibrations invoke, or are said to invoke
To invoke something, do I have to be aware, that I am doing so?

So many people with 'religion' , I call them the 'god squad' leave so little room, for anybody else's religion, or beliefs
There beliefs are so absolute, that at times it feels like they will stop at nothing, until they have 'converted' everybody else, to their belief system
And this is of course fine , as they believe, they are doing a greater good, they are, saving their soul

I refuse to believe in a god, that sacrifices babies, or tells people to sacrifice babies in order to show faith in him
I refuse to believe in 1, that sacrifices his own child.
Now when I say, I refuse to believe, what I mean is, he's not for me
I acknowledge, that it's possible, that he exists
But I do not acknowledge, that he is benevolent
And 1 aspect of god, seems to be, that he is of benevolent nature
So on that 1 principle alone, he would fail drastically in my eyes
And yet, it seems everybody to some degree, ignores this
They fudge it, they gloss over it

If I told you, god had told me, to kill my first born, in order to show my faith in him
What would you truly think of me?

Once you've passed through the eye, of that particular needle, your mine
Yes, you did prove your faith
Now, I can take you, anywhere I want to
You've totally surrended everything
And you now, rely on me, for everything
My word is gospel, it is absolute

iam_resurrected's photo
Thu 10/17/19 09:46 PM
Edited by iam_resurrected on Thu 10/17/19 09:56 PM
Even if what you say about hospitals is true
You make no mention of attributing that to god
But I assume you do
Thus in doing so, you take it as proof, that your beliefs in god are validated
Maybe it is a different god, maybe it's Odin, maybe it's Kali, maybe it's an alien, maybe it's something else
So, yes, maybe it does prove something
But what it proves, would be different to different people



without a doubt, many accounts of God from Ancient Cultures literally seem like a play on words by just adding/removing the Deities name.

have you ever considered that along the lines somewhere, it is possible God made Himself known to humanity, and as a result, when we read names like Odin - Zeus - Greenman - YHWH they are all speaking of the SAME Deity?

and if they are speaking of the Same Deity (as in the Big Cahuna), maybe that is even more proof that Ancient Peoples did make contact with God, and each dialect represented different sir names...

just a thought
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And ****. Yes, I know the English did a bunch of bad stuff, even though I wasn't taught that at school
Perhaps one of those things, was inventing a bastardized. Language
1 which we just happen to be using, right now
1 which perhaps puts a veil, on top of another veil, as to what other ancient languages mean, and what different sounds, frequencies and vibrations invoke, or are said to invoke
To invoke something, do I have to be aware, that I am doing so?



interesting what you are trying to say concerning Languages from 25,000 years ago till now. our verbage in our Native Tongues and compiled with the fact the majority can speak English and do so through translators gives the English Language many chances to format bad habits like the word "ain't" was not a word just a few years ago.

So Ancient Languages and stick art are by far more complicated than we present them to be.

but then again, that is like thinking we can literally calculate the age of dirt (Earth itself) by using chemicals and mathematics.

we are straight up insane to think we can calculate literal dirt hahahahahahahaha


as far as invoking, that is more on terms of magic/wiccan/potion and Book of Shadows conjugating evil entities, not about Christianity
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So many people with 'religion' , I call them the 'god squad' leave so little room, for anybody else's religion, or beliefs
There beliefs are so absolute, that at times it feels like they will stop at nothing, until they have 'converted' everybody else, to their belief system
And this is of course fine , as they believe, they are doing a greater good, they are, saving their soul



from their perspectives, they should go about like they have just been given the absolute greatest Gift Ever and now want to share that to all others.

but rather what happens, a simple discussion will turn judgemental and it goes from wanting to [GIVE YOU A GIFT] to (manipulating your mind to believe something that is not properly being instructed and taught for your understanding).

naturally, the moment you are told you are wrong, doomed, and everything else, you shut the door and the ear muffs close out the LITERAL HATE being spewed!!

maybe, and that is a just maybe, had Your first encounter with this idea of Yeshua/Jesus been one from someone having a Wonderful Gift and offering that Gift to others instead of getting reamed for being a filthy ragged SINNER...You might not be as close minded to some of the interesting views from Yeshua
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I refuse to believe in a god, that sacrifices babies, or tells people to sacrifice babies in order to show faith in him
I refuse to believe in 1, that sacrifices his own child.
Now when I say, I refuse to believe, what I mean is, he's not for me
I acknowledge, that it's possible, that he exists
But I do not acknowledge, that he is benevolent
And 1 aspect of god, seems to be, that he is of benevolent nature
So on that 1 principle alone, he would fail drastically in my eyes
And yet, it seems everybody to some degree, ignores this
They fudge it, they gloss over it



the point of Yah and Abraham with Isaac, was that long before this Yah [Promised] Abraham that a son from Sarah would be the Rightful Heir to a generation and Lineage of People (the Bible is a Factual Lineage Record that just happens to display the Hebrew God).

Anyways, Abraham knew God was not literally going to kill the "Heir" that God [Promised] Abraham for being Faithful to Him. But Abraham did want to see what God had up His sleeve.

So, the sacrificing of BABIES is pure BALONEY!!

that is specifically found by the SAME WORSHIP today in California (the Worship of Moloch). there was a Society who worshiped Moloch. They built a raging fire and then built Moloch seated on a Throne just beside this fire. The Moloch Priests would welcome parents giving their babies to the Priests to hold. Then after desiring Wealth, Fame, long life, the Priest would toss the screaming infant into the consuming flame.

this is why Abortion has been related to Moloch (ridding of Babies)
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If I told you, god had told me, to kill my first born, in order to show my faith in him
What would you truly think of me?



since i know the reason You assume is why, and why it was Asked while knowing the inside story beforehand, are 2 very extreme different Reasons. it's like reading a Book and only remembering one word or sentence. and then make a case from that. You ain't gonna get very far in finding the "truth."



Once you've passed through the eye, of that particular needle, your mine
Yes, you did prove your faith
Now, I can take you, anywhere I want to
You've totally surrended everything
And you now, rely on me, for everything
My word is gospel, it is absolute



in Ancient door making, the keyhole was known as the [Eye of the Needle], and the term "Passing through Eye of Needle" was a common phrase back then like just a 100 years ago People used a Shipping term...hey there Sam, how are you? the phrase in Reply was then "I am Battening down the Hatches."

Today we reply with, hey Mike, how's it hanging?
to the Left, Man, to the Left
!!



it's good you've read and tried to conclude what certain things mean in the Bible, but what You read in as far as black letters on white paper, is by far nothing what you Learn and Understand through the Spirit of God!!

notbeold's photo
Fri 10/18/19 06:14 AM
Proof that something 'unexplainable' or 'miraculous' happened is not automatic proof of any god or creator existing.
Cultures more advanced than us would be capable of plenty of mundane things which would seem miraculous to us.
Solid 3D hologram people doing things, planes of existence intersecting, time slips, who knows. Doctor Who !
The knowledge of eclipses was kept secret, and used to maintain influence / control by religions, declaring they would blot out the sun unless . . .
There is so much hidden / secret knowledge, (not "the good news"), out there that almost anything could seem possible to someone or something.
Visiting ethereal medical help would be explainable somewhere.

iam_resurrected's photo
Fri 10/18/19 06:56 AM
Proof that something 'unexplainable' or 'miraculous' happened is not automatic proof of any god or creator existing.
Cultures more advanced than us would be capable of plenty of mundane things which would seem miraculous to us.
Solid 3D hologram people doing things, planes of existence intersecting, time slips, who knows. Doctor Who !
The knowledge of eclipses was kept secret, and used to maintain influence / control by religions, declaring they would blot out the sun unless . . .
There is so much hidden / secret knowledge, (not "the good news"), out there that almost anything could seem possible to someone or something.
Visiting ethereal medical help would be explainable somewhere.




i definitely see your point and understand your reasoning...

but, my example that has taken place on over 1,000+ times, literally billions of times not reported...is of SEEING something HUMAN LIKE in FORM but yet it's not solid like we appear and feel to be, it speaks its own Language, and touches the ones needing the Miraculous Healing.

had this been just an occurrence it would be one thing, but they are SEEING a full blown MANIFESTATION that is CO-EXISTING with us!! just like Angelic Beings are described to be doing!!

iam_resurrected's photo
Fri 10/18/19 07:15 AM
Edited by iam_resurrected on Fri 10/18/19 07:16 AM
basically then,
only a few beliefs speak about Angels. Most are described as Protectors against Evil Spirits. But ONLY ONE Angelic Description is about CO-EXISTING with human life, being instruments that God uses to heal, to Protect, to Guide, the list is extensive and specific.
^
and these Atheist Doctors (Scientists) are describing the Angels that are described by Enoch and the Hebrew Doctrines.

that is baffling how specific these Doctors describe this MANIFESTATION, because of how specific it matches the God of the Hebrew Peoples description of Angelic Hosts + duties.



since they are describing the Angels mentioned by the Hebrew God to specific duty description, we are assured it is the Angels which was spoken of by the Hebrew God. which means. those [ANGELS DESCRIBED BY THE ATHEIST MEDICAL STAFF(S)] are the specific Hebrew God Angels (no other Angels from other beliefs) and in my view, since these are the Specific Hebrew Angels due to how they are described and what they were doing, "THAT" gives validity to the very existence of the Hebrew God Himself!!

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Fri 10/18/19 07:21 AM
Edited by iam_resurrected on Fri 10/18/19 07:26 AM
if the Angels the Hebrew God described IS FACTUALLY CO-EXISTING and we have witnessed it on NUMEROUS TIMES to be able to "Theorize it," it would then only be plausible and practical by using Common Sense to then conclude that the Hebrew God also exists!!

iam_resurrected's photo
Fri 10/18/19 07:33 AM
if the Angels the Hebrew God described IS FACTUALLY CO-EXISTING and we have witnessed it on NUMEROUS TIMES to be able to "Theorize it," it would then only be plausible and practical by using Common Sense to then conclude that the Hebrew God also exists!!




ironically, its this SAME train of Thought (^) that i also believe in the Big Bang, Natural Selection, Inherited Genetics and Traits, DNA, Laws of Physics, Quantum Mechanics, and many more things too great to add and remember immediately off hand.

so, I can see God like I see Science and See "Truths" in them Both and am able to see the Connection tying the TWO together without Science being Aware of it.

i only believe what I can prove.
ironically, it's ATHEIST ANCIENT HISTORIANS AND NOW SCIENTISTS AS MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS MAKING THE CLAIM AND PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AND HIS ANGELS!!

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Fri 10/18/19 08:28 AM
You see, this is where it all gets a bit muddy again
The Hebrew god , you keep saying
Christianity, you keep saying

Sure I've considered they could be the same god, but in doing so, that only leaves room, for 1 god, a male God

What about Poseidon, Isis and numerous others

As for the babies, they clearly teach us, in school, that god killed all of the Egyptians first born
And if Abraham knew God didn't really want him to kill his first born, then it wasn't really a test was it?
In fact, you would have thought the answer to the test would be. . .
No god, I would do anything for love. But I won't do that

So do you see what I mean, by fudging, and glossing over, it's like a grand misdirection, never mind the babies, look what I did with this water, now here's a long winded , winding explanation that will send you to sleep and turn you into a nodding dog

Its smacks of how a politician talks

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Fri 10/18/19 11:24 AM
Edited by ... on Fri 10/18/19 11:25 AM

i only believe what I can prove.


Me too :smile:

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Fri 10/18/19 04:54 PM
In fairness, the proof you ask for, is difficult to give
Do secret handshake gangs exist?
Prove it?
Do the Freemasons exist?
How many of the men on this post do you think are Freemasons?
Will they admit it, and say yes, I'm a Freemason, and offer proof?
I doubt it
But do you honestly believe none of them are?

Tom4Uhere's photo
Fri 10/18/19 09:35 PM
Lets go back to the everywhere, everything and everywhen fer a second.
There are things in reality that happen/exist which I have never witnessed.
I saw a man poke a needle thru his nose and pull it from his eye.
Till I witnessed it, never would believe it.

There are things in reality that some might tend to contribute to their divine source according to their predisposition.
Some may see it as a miracle, others may see it as special circumstances in reality.

If we knew everything about everywhere everywhen we would be able to determine if it is reality or divine.
Problem is, we don't know everything about everywhere, everywhen.
Say it isn't so, there are things in reality we can't explain.
Is it really so important one must be able to explain everything?
Have a look at that.

You see nature.
You see God.
Why is it so important for you to be right?
If the one who sees nature is content, does it matter?
If the one who sees God is content, does it matter?

Frankly, I'm open to anything because I know one things fer sure...I don't know everything everywhere, everywhen...and never will.

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Sat 10/19/19 03:55 AM
The medical assistant apparitions may have existed from before the religious cults started writing their books, and they just wrote them in, like with the giants, and the flood, etc.

Every fiction writer weaves real life, historical, and present day information into their fiction story, to 'flesh it out'.
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah may have been a real life Carrington Event.

Why would any all powerful god need any man to write about him/her/it.

Anything coming from the hand of man must be personally skewed misinterpretation at best, and outright manipulation for gain at worst.

A creator would inform from within, like a heads up display in your head, not requiring clever words or poetry or songs or breathing patterns, or incense, or entranced states, or self agrandising orators with broad hems on their robes, or pointy buildings with bells, or beads and crosses.

I know that it doesn't exist, because I don't KNOW that it exists.

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Sat 10/19/19 03:55 AM
I knew I would be tripped up when I said I only believe what I can prove. The asnwer is more detailed than that. For example I cannot see for myself that there is a Higgs Boson, but am prepared to believe it has been found after first being suggested as a theory which said it 'ought' to exist. Now it does!

I also believe that freemasons exist. That's because I used to know people who were members, including women who have to meet in a separate hall, for some complicated reason. The houses in this area are about a hundred years old and among them is a Masonic Hall, which is sufficient proof for me that this organisation has been around a long time and is still around. Of course I need to apply Occam's Razor to any suggestion that the whole thing is a conspiracy theory and believers have been duped for some weird reason. As far as I am concerned this organisation really does exist and perhaps the men still roll up the trouser leg as they used to do. Each to their own! :smile:

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Sat 10/19/19 04:15 AM
Just like starting up a computer, the information is embedded and flashes up: the make of computer, and/or the motherboard name, and/or the sound card name, and/or other hardware. Then the operating system name and/or anti-virus app name, and so on.
The computer knows all this as soon as it is alive, because the creators embedded the information intrinsically in its encoding (in its current configuration).

All I know is stories told to me by uneducated sunday school volunteers, fully 'educated' clergy, and books, which are all by the hand of man, = B.S.
Not one bit of proof, just pointing at intricate nature and claiming divinity.

I'd like to see a Monty Python style god appear in the clouds and do something useful, like smiting gangsters and politicians and environmental vandals. smile2

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Sat 10/19/19 04:21 AM

I'd like to see a Monty Python style god appear in the clouds and do something useful, like smiting gangsters and politicians and environmental vandals. smile2


I'd love to see that as it would settle the question of this topic and many 'believers' would be saying. "Told you so!"

Ah, but WHICH God would be the right one?

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