a love chair, shaped like a hand

I don't think we've got love chairs in the UK

he's sat on that 1, doing unspeakable things with his toes

Mediterranean and Messeptomia, ( forgive my spelling )
Well again, that still leaves some rather large sections of the Earth, that are not part of these regions

Example - The America's

Question,- Where the native peoples of the Americas, better or worse off, since Jesus arrived with the Conquistador's?

Sub question - just how did those pesky Incas cut those stones in Macha Picchu?
When after all, they were just primitive peoples with uncultured satanic religions?

America is a hemisphere.

America (north south land mass), is a small part of a hemisphere. A slice.

R2, that's part of the 'mysteries'. You know it works in "mysterious ways". There were giants back then. A giant stonemason !

Heaven was the mother ship, dudes went up and back, and traveled to other places in it. Advanced technology carved the stone world wide. Ezekiel saw a high gravity landing craft and a land transport vehicle. Elijah and Elisha reported to the mother ship until it went away with one of them. Sons of giants breeding with daughters of men = genetic manipulation, or just sex. God was the name of the farm manager, but no one could look at him and be allowed to live, he was an alien.
The 'Snake people' were on another farm nearby, but don't talk to them.
Don't piss off the manager or he will put you on a wild patch of un-broken land.

I agree. It exists in both the north and south hemispheres.
Point being, the USA is merely a section of the north American hemisphere.
Canada is America
Panama is America
Peru is America.
Calling US citizens Americans is technically correct.
Calling Canadian citizens Americans is technically correct.
Calling Argentina citizens American is technically correct.
Calling Hawaiian citizens Americans is not correct, they are US citizens but they are not Americans.

The same could be said about God.
What I call God may not be technically correct according to some.
What others call God may not be technically correct to me.
While I can tolerate inconsistencies in others, others have issue tolerating them from me.

notbeold's alien consideration is not that far fetched.
Advanced technology and methodology to a primitive species can appear divine.
Couple that with the gullibility inherent to a reasoning intelligence and Gods will manifest in their culture.
Star Trek: TOS explored this concept multiple times.

There is also alien farming speculation which basically states aliens planted humans as a crop. When we reach a preset population they will return and harvest us for food, slave labor or who knows what. This idea then generates speculation on the many worlds scenario. Where there are worlds around the galaxy seeded with humans.

LoL, I read a lot of science fiction.

this is why Yeshua commanded His Disciples, whom later became Apostles with Paul, to go and preach to areas beyond what they are familiar with




actually, since i see where NOTBEOLD mentioned "Giants," the Native American Indians told Bill Hickock [who wrote in one of his Books}]:

Native American Indians recite a tale from their own ancestors where the American Lands were roaming with 15 feet tall, 6 toed/fingered red-headed (lineage of Esau as prophesied) Giants. the tales where they would run and catch a buffalo and bite its head off and were Cannibals. the Tale went onto say, those Giants were drowned by the flood (predicted Noah's Flood to kill the Giants [Nephilim]. said they climbed to the mountain peeks and and the water drowned them.

also with that tale, were pictures of 3 humans laying long ways making one big human side by side with several skeletal remains that were obviously taller!!





who said they were Satanic?

this is a collection from several tribes:




Ancient Race of White Giants Described in Native Legends From Many Tribes
READ LATER PRINT
By Tara MacIsaac , Epoch Times

Several Native American tribes have passed down legends of a race of white giants who were wiped out. We’ll take a look at a few such legends, including those among the Choctaw and the Comanches of the United States down to the Manta of Peru.

Choctaw
Horatio Bardwell Cushman wrote in his 1899 book “History of the Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Natchez Indians”: “The tradition of the Choctaws . . . told of a race of giants that once inhabited the now State of Tennessee, and with whom their ancestors fought when they arrived in Mississippi in their migration from the west. … Their tradition states the Nahullo (race of giants) was of wonderful stature.”

A Choctaw stick-ball player, depicted by George Catlin in 1834.

A Choctaw stick-ball player, depicted by George Catlin in 1834. (Public Domain)

Cushman said “Nahullo” came to be used to describe all white people, but it originally referred specifically to a giant white race with whom the Choctaw came into contact when they first crossed the Mississippi River. The Nahullo were said to be cannibals whom the Choctaw killed whenever the opportunity arose.

Comanches
Chief Rolling Thunder of the Comanches, a tribe from the Great Plains, gave the following account of an ancient race of white giants in 1857: “Innumerable moons ago, a race of white men, 10 feet high, and far more rich and powerful than any white people now living, here inhabited a large range of country, extending from the rising to the setting sun. Their fortifications crowned the summits of the mountains, protecting their populous cities situated in the intervening valleys.

“They excelled every other nation which was flourished, either before or since, in all manner of cunning handicraft—were brave and warlike—ruling over the land they had wrested from its ancient possessors with a high and haughty hand. Compared with them the palefaces of the present day were pygmies, in both art and arms. …”

The chief explained that when this race forgot justice and mercy and became too proud, the Great Spirit wiped it out and all that was left of their society were the mounds still visible on the tablelands. This account was documented by Dr. Donald “Panther” Yates , a researcher and author of books on Native American history, on his blog.

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Navajo
Yates also writes of the Starnake people of Navajo legend, describing them as: “A regal race of white giants endowed with mining technology who dominated the West, enslaved lesser tribes, and had strongholds all through the Americas. They were either extinguished or ‘went back to the heavens.'”

Manta
In 1553, Pedro Cieza de León wrote in “Chronicle of Peru” about legendary giants described to him by the Manta indigenous people: “There are, however, reports concerning giants in Peru, who landed on the coast at the point of Santa Elena. … The natives relate the following tradition, which had been received from their ancestors from very remote times.

“There arrived on the coast, in boats made of reeds, as big as large ships, a party of men of such size that, from the knee downwards, their height was as great as the entire height of an ordinary man, though he might be of good stature. Their limbs were all in proportion to the deformed size of their bodies, and it was a monstrous thing to see their heads, with hair reaching to the shoulders. Their eyes were as large as small plates.”

León said that the sexual habits of the giants were revolting to the Natives and heaven eventually wiped out the giants because of those habits.

Paiutes
The Paiutes are said to have an oral tradition that told of red-haired, white, cannibals about 10 feet tall who lived in or near what is now known as Lovelock Cave in Nevada. It is unclear whether this “oral tradition” about the so-called Sitecah giants existed or if it was an exaggeration or distortion of their legends made after the Paiutes were mostly killed or dispersed in 1833 by an expedition by explorer Joseph Walker.

Brian Dunning of Skeptoid explored Paiutes legends and found no mention of the Sitecah being giants. It seems there was, however, a people who practiced cannibalism and who lived in Lovelock Cave. Human remains have been found there, and a few of the human bones had the marrow removed, suggesting the marrow was eaten. Cannibalism seems to have been a rare practice among these peoples, however.

The remains do have red hair.




BTW:

the Native American Indian term for God is "Great White Spirit!!"

the term for God by way of the Spirit of God has been known as "the Great White Spirit," which is adopted from the Native American Indians.

let's do some addition here:

the post i quoted ^

+

Galileo did also say:

Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God created the Universe!!

=

Science proves the existence of God by way of using God's Alphabet, Mathematics, in everything they prove to disprove the notion of God.

it's rather comical to watch the likes of neil degrasse tyson claim each discovery lessens the idea of God's existence....where Galileo claims just the opposite occurs because the discovery is being enabled by God's Language, Mathematics...

The 'church' said they were satanic
Then they destroyed their icons / monuments / temples, stole their gold, and introduced them to a civilized Jesus

And yeah, ' The America's' I meant all of it, from it's most Northern tip ( that's in some place now called Canada I think )
All the way to it's most Southern tip ( not sure what country that is, but you know, Chili, Paraguay, and all those places
Even, that bit in the middle, you know, central America ( Mexico)

So really, in my opinion
The native peoples of all of the Americas, were a damn sight better off, before ' The 10 commandments ' arrived and robbed and killed them.
Something which some ( well me at least ) say, it still does to this day

from word go, those who invaded Southern America, Central America, eventually parts of Northern America killed the natives from diseases like small pox, the plague, chicken pox, measles, the simple cold killed hundreds and thousands of native peoples.

and the [Majority] of those who came to discover and send word to eventually Conquer, weren't not doing it for a Religion, a statement of their Faith, they were (DOING IT) for their Country to help expand its Borders...LITERALLY!!

look at the United States for example.

one of those Border extenders for England.

for 200 years England would come to the Colonies then and bring disease, virus, more military who unleashed on the Natives Peoples...not for Yeshua/Jesus, but for Mother England!!

that is Fact!!

When considering 'all the Americas' the 10 commandments only applies to the Christianity delusion.
Not sure exactly what you are implying?
Maybe you think all Americans follow the same religion?
Consider that idea may be incorrect.
If that is so, what does that do for your assessment?

if we could be at that time when this slaughter of military and disease were wiping Native Peoples took place, and did a survey, asking:

who is doing this to you (Jesus) or England, Spain, France?

none of them would say it was Jesus harming them!!

That's as maybe, as you say, they didn't do it for Jesus
But the conquistadors were tied in with the church, and Jesus
And the Americas ain't never heard of Jesus
And all of them, were a damn sight better of for it
Why would Jesus say, I'll pick this bit, I'll go there
Never mind the rest of the earth, sod them, they're not worthy
That makes bugger all sense
If God was so great, that after murdering first borns, telling people to murder their first born, in essence also allowing his own first born to be murdered, so he could prove his existence through a series of miracles, so we could all live happily ever after, why didn't he do it for everybody?
Why did he leave such massive swathes out?
As I say, that just makes bugger all sense, no matter how much you go on about scripture, historians, scholars, or just what or wasn't Jesus name
You rather conveniently, miss out huge sections of history and the world, and focus in on a little bit, and magnify and distort it

Jesus is an occult handshake gang, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him
Even if he wasn't originally he sure as **** is now
And what is all this male messiah , 12 male disciples baloney
Sorry mate, it's blatant msygonist claptrap
Wrap a riddle in a riddle, and extort 1000 different truths from it, while concealing any truth
Be my disciple , I will teach you the truth brother
Jog on Jesus, and no god, I won't kill my first born to prove my faith to you, I will punch you in the face and swear at you for suggesting such a thing, in the name of freedom of thought and benevolence

I bring up the 10 commandments as apparently the Americas , or, a bit or it, was much better of, when it was in schools and stuff, apparently

the Culture in those days were the same as early USA, where women were considered like land (dirt) = property.

Yeshua is the one who uplifted how we view WOMEN.

He never meant to be worshipped (like Mary and Catholics), but there were several women He empowered during a time when women were nothing more than talking land!!



you really don't know squat R2d2 with these off the wall claims!!

you are not even remotely close to being on cue concerning who used Religion for gain vs Dictators wanting more and more and more!!

we have the actual documentation in the early 1800's when some of my Ancestors arrived to America. both of them state the MALES (husband) NAME and then adds 8 souls = wife + 7 rugrats. those 8 souls were considered the MAN's Property!!


that is just how it used to be...

why do most Ancient Cultures have Ruthless Leaders in the kings lineages from Egyptians, Greece, Rome, Asian Peoples?

most of our Ancient Leaderships were MEN and once in awhile we have a few women like those who were Queen through bloodline only.

Okay, well we'll just have to agree to disagree
And I don't know squat, why?
Because I ain't studied scripture?
Because I can't read Hebrew?
Because I might consider other ancient cultures and languages, like Sanskrit
Or because say aboriginal culture interests me
Or Nordic culture
Basically anything, other than the, there was moses and Noah what they taught me in school
I mean they don't even teach us anything about our own culture
Romans , vikings, 1066
There were some Picts and celts before that, but we don't know 'owt' about them...so the romans

Gentlemen, Please.
R2 has some validid arguments.
Iam also has some valid arguments.
Perhaps the reality lies somewhere in between?

In the days of old...but wait, we don't live in the days of old do we?
We live in today.
We exist in a reality before us.
It doesn't matter how anyone thought in the days of old, does it.
What does matter is how we see reality now.

So, if the days of old teach us a lesson, it must apply to the days of now for it to have merit, right?
The problem with religion is it expects us to conduct ourselves based on the idealisms of the past.

God, the belief in 'A God' requires no such commitment, only religon does.
Religion demand servatutude to its own doctrine.
God doesn't do that, religion does.
God and all its meaning is within you. Religion and all its meaning resides in the ones that dictate what it means to you.
Religion is a social control, an effective social control but a social control all the same.
Belief in God is a personal belief.
It has the power over your life as you give it.
It doesn't matter what happened in the past - you don't live in the past.
You live in the right now.

Okay. lets talk about sacrifice.
Yeah, I'm stirring the pot.
Thing is, many people in my age bracket get taken by charlatans in the name of sacrifice.

From my own understanding sacrifice means to do without.
Perhaps it means 10% of your income...I could be wrong.

I remember the church wanting 10% of my income every week.
I remember giving 10% of my income every week.
Thing is...

In the religion I believed, Jesus gave his life so I would no longer need to sacrifice a sheep to my God.
It was implied that the sacrifice was made in my behalf by Jesus upon his death on the cross.

First, why should I need to sacrifice anything if the sacrifice has already been made by the son of God?
Next, how is 10% of my income a sacrifice.?
Then ya gotta consider that a real sacrifice is giving beyond your means.
Which means, to sacrifice, truly sacrifice you do without.

The whole thing stinks of a scam.
We constantly hear horror stories of the elderly being taken for all their worth.
How many do you hear about where there is a happy ending?
If you truly believe Jesus Christ made the Ultimate Sacrifice for you, why would you think you need to add to it?

Sorry, just a OMO about something that doesn't make sense.
If you need to make a sacrifice, cut off your leg....

R2d2,

i mean, that you want to interject the point of those using [Yeshua/Jesus] for personal gain resulting in possible generations of misled and lack of proper perspective of Who Yeshua/Jesus really was like and His actual attempt to install a different way of thinking for that time.


it's ok if you hate this Yeshua/Jesus Personna.
it's ok if you choose to believe He did not exist like Ancient Cultures proposed.
it really is ok that you just find it all foolishness.

but that is no reason to interject a point that factually only caused less than 2% of the past World Wars in death totals, and less than an actual [percent] in total combat deaths per "Cause."

in other words, the deaths we have read about people killing, forcing to convert, and other inhumane acts all in the Name of (Jesus) [are literally less than one whole percent] compared to combat deaths because a Narcissistic Ruler wanted to go to War and take what other Peoples owned.

the English Crusaders for Jesus killed thousands of Muslims and other inhabitants during their Reign. All of those who died during the Crusade, [is Less Than one whole percent] of those who died while England maintained the American Colonies and wiping out the Native Peoples in the process.

There are real "History Books" that contain these facts I am presenting to You. Your answers are SKEWED due to being Biased.
they are not even remotely close to any realm of factuality.