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Not defy my friend. It is a belief system. Written and conceived by men. For the control of men. I don't defy so much as don't recognize that the creative force behind the cosmos gives two hoots for us. let's use your words "Creative Force." let's say this "Creative Force" is intelligent and what we see, cannot see, was all done for the purpose of this "Creative Force." That alone gives reasoning to the purpose. And then it's very reasonable to ask oneself, if there was a Reason for the entire Universe, and within that Universe would be a system of living organisms from bacteria, microorganisms, plant life, insects, animal life Species, to the human Species itself...one could reasonably conclude that a "Creative Intelligent Force" would had intended for that system of life existing i several formats that ALL work together keeping this Planet viable. we all die and bring nutrients back to the Earth, or we oce did before trying to preserve ourselves dead in a box. but the Design is beautiful how life and death coincide and benefit from one another. Death and decomposition feed mother Earth, its bacterias and microorganisms benefit from it, and from the benefits of the unseen (bacteria/microorganisms) they give nutrients to the other life forms like ourselves. it's a well oiled Designed and working machine, this entire Universe to every single Planet, Star, Galaxy. ALL of it by a "Intelligent Design of the Creative Force." I am an Engineer. I do not Design or MAchine anything without a purpose. the "Creative Force" is the Ultimate Engineer!! There is much validity in what you say iam.. And worthy of profound consideration. Respects. 
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Not defy my friend. It is a belief system. Written and conceived by men. For the control of men. I don't defy so much as don't recognize that the creative force behind the cosmos gives two hoots for us. let's use your words "Creative Force." let's say this "Creative Force" is intelligent and what we see, cannot see, was all done for the purpose of this "Creative Force." That alone gives reasoning to the purpose. And then it's very reasonable to ask oneself, if there was a Reason for the entire Universe, and within that Universe would be a system of living organisms from bacteria, microorganisms, plant life, insects, animal life Species, to the human Species itself...one could reasonably conclude that a "Creative Intelligent Force" would had intended for that system of life existing in its several forms of life that ALL work together keeping this Planet viable. we all die and bring nutrients back to the Earth, or we oce did before trying to preserve ourselves dead in a box. but the Design is beautiful how life and death coincide and benefit from one another. Death and decomposition feed mother Earth, its bacterias and microorganisms benefit from it, and from the benefits of the unseen (bacteria/microorganisms) they give nutrients to the other life forms like ourselves. it's a well oiled Designed and working machine, this entire Universe to every single Planet, Star, Galaxy, even to the life forms on Planet Earth all work by the Design of the "Creative Force." ALL of it by a "Intelligent Design of the Creative Force." I am an Engineer. I do not Design or MAchine anything without a purpose. the "Creative Force" of our Universe, Galaxy, Planet, and reason LIFE exists to begin with is solid proof this Creative Force is the Ultimate Scientist/Engineer/Mathematician/ Philosopher/Reasoning/Extension!! Our very human minds that have the ability to use Mathematics to achieve wonders in Discovery, Medicines, Creations, and so forth come from the Creative Force because we imitate this Force in all of its own Characteristics!! |
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The saying goes :beauty is in the eyes of the beholder?
Meaning what one finds attractive another may not . so if religion is in the eye of the beholder meaning what ever one likes or believes another may not? actually any belief pertaining to a belief in a God is considered as being a cult unless or until the government(s) in which the belief is practice approves it as being a religion ..... therefore it is not the believer but the eye of the government(s)that is the beholder ...and God So basically it's a personal preference and it's not for others to say different!
a belief in a God could be considered a personal preference until one acts on that belief and it becomes an action and begin to infringe upon the rights of others |
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The saying goes :beauty is in the eyes of the beholder?
Meaning what one finds attractive another may not . so if religion is in the eye of the beholder meaning what ever one likes or believes another may not? actually any belief pertaining to a belief in a God is considered as being a cult unless or until the government(s) in which the belief is practice approves it as being a religion ..... therefore it is not the believer but the eye of the government(s)that is the beholder ...and God So basically it's a personal preference and it's not for others to say different!
a belief in a God could be considered a personal preference until one acts on that belief and it becomes an action and begin to infringe upon the rights of others Then it's not right for a government to tell you what you can believe in imo is it? |
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nah. that one said he taught art of war and making weapons...and gave boys/women as rewards to humans who obeyed him so he cant be the creator...
he is also dependent on humans believing in him so he is insecure.. anything that annoys isn't a god... |
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a belief in a God could be considered a personal preference until one acts on that belief and it becomes an action and begin to infringe upon the rights of others
introducing their God to someone is not an imposement. discussing their God is not an imposement. bringing others to their God is not an imposement. an imposement is forcing you to accept their God, making you to act like you believe in their same God, or to use a scare tactic to give you a false sense of your current reality. in your life, the only ones able to impose a belief system upon you would have been your parents, family, friends, and definitely stupid men follow the beliefs of women dabbling in the occult. i could never impose my God upon you. i can irritate you by how I discuss my God. i can irritate you by being a hominid who can see similar viewpoints as you do in the things You feel that matter as a general and entire "Whole," but in your mind, i am very flawed NOT by having a belief system, but feeling a need for it. but, in no one's sane reality, could i ever impose my God upon You!! |
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If you know something, really feel it inside, do you need to 'prove' it to anyone? The burner on the stove is red hot. You know its hot. You don't need to prove its hot. The more you defend your belief, the less validity it has. Its YOUR belief, why should it matter what anyone else believes? Are y'all 'that' insecure? However if by sharing your knowledge you can prevent someone from getting burned then surely it is worth sharing your knowledge.People who believe in the "saving power" of their God feel their "knowledge" is important enough to save you from burning in hell (pun intended) to warrant sharing that "knowledge". I see you point. By sharing my knowledge of the hot burner I might say "That is hot" I might say "Don't touch it, it will burn your hand" I don't lecture them on the laws of thermodynamics, quoting text from the supporting scientific papers. I don't delve into the medical encyclopedias and quote burn trama treatment procedures. I don't threaten them with afterlife damnation or promise them afterlife rewards. Most important, when adult visitors come to my home and I am cooking on the stove I feel no need to warn them not to touch that hot burner. If they touch it anyway, lol, bad move on their part but I don't feel bad for them. While I might protect the little children, I don't break out books of text and accountings of lessons to them. I say, "stay away from the kitchen, I'm cooking". |
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If you know something, really feel it inside, do you need to 'prove' it to anyone? The burner on the stove is red hot. You know its hot. You don't need to prove its hot. The more you defend your belief, the less validity it has. Its YOUR belief, why should it matter what anyone else believes? Are y'all 'that' insecure? However if by sharing your knowledge you can prevent someone from getting burned then surely it is worth sharing your knowledge.People who believe in the "saving power" of their God feel their "knowledge" is important enough to save you from burning in hell (pun intended) to warrant sharing that "knowledge". I see you point. By sharing my knowledge of the hot burner I might say "That is hot" I might say "Don't touch it, it will burn your hand" I don't lecture them on the laws of thermodynamics, quoting text from the supporting scientific papers. I don't delve into the medical encyclopedias and quote burn trama treatment procedures. I don't threaten them with afterlife damnation or promise them afterlife rewards. Most important, when adult visitors come to my home and I am cooking on the stove I feel no need to warn them not to touch that hot burner. If they touch it anyway, lol, bad move on their part but I don't feel bad for them. While I might protect the little children, I don't break out books of text and accountings of lessons to them. I say, "stay away from the kitchen, I'm cooking". Point taken Tom and as long as the tucker is good I'll sit patiently at the table and not encroach upon your kitchen 
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Then it's not right for a government to tell you what you can believe in imo is it?
God wants you to believe that it's ok to stone unruly children to death ...the Government (in some countries) wants you to believe that it's murder ..which would you rather believe in this case ...God or The Government introducing their God to someone is not an imposement.
apparently you never had a Jehovah Witness ring your doorbell early in the morning an imposement is forcing you to accept their God, making you to act like you believe in their same God, or to use a scare tactic to give you a false sense of your current reality.
actually that's not imposement but intimidation ...perhaps "Stockholm Syndrome" in your life, the only ones able to impose a belief system upon you would have been your parents, family, friends, and definitely stupid men follow the beliefs of women dabbling in the occult.
that's not imposement but brainwashing...you posted that something similar happen to you...such an experience would explain your belief in a God ... i could never impose my God upon you.
everytime you post you impose .... funches 3:16 i can irritate you by how I discuss my God.
not really... it's no different than listening to one of the Borg Collective on Star Trek discuss how the Borgs lack individuality ...the Borg as like you were forced ...ooops...er..I meant you and the borg were both "assimilated" into a religion ..resistance was futile but, in no one's sane reality, could i ever impose my God upon You!!
a belief in God has little to do with a sane reality ...God is about magically stuff also I used the term "infringe" not "imposement" ..."Imposement" is subtle as when someone use God to pester ...."infringe" goes deeper as when someone use God to violate someone's rights |
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In some countries it's there god that is telling them to kill others so
What are you to believe? It's there god that is telling them it's ok to f### 9 year old girls! It's there god that's telling them everyone else are infadels! That's why it's all bs! |
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When I was at school I remember wondering how we fought other countries in the Second World War. Our priests used to 'bless' ships that were designed to destroy other ships including the people on them (ugh!) But we believed in the same god as they did. I could never understand that!
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Edited by
The Wrong Alice
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Fri 09/13/19 09:09 PM
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When I was in Primary school, I remember them teaching us something about world war 2. They said it was 1 of the biggest ever black masses at that time ,something like that
They played us 1 of Churchill's speeches It was before they bombed, I think it was Dresden The point was, if I recall correctly ( it's a long time ago, my memory is a little hazy ) that they were using fire bombs on a city / town largely made of wood, and obviously populated with civilians. As even though, they knew, this was wrong, it would help shorten the war, so it was alright I remember thinking, that it was just wrong And then they played us the speech. The speech seemed to have such 'power' ( for want of a better word) that after hearing it, you thought, actually, maybe he's right, it's not wrong, bomb the bastar*∆ Something like half a million civilians were killed during that raid ( I put this, as I felt it had some relevance, regarding the previous post, that mentioned ww2. Also, it has the word 'mass' in it, and goverments have been mentioned) Hey Mikey, speaking of infidels, and such, 1 can't help but feel your talking about some Muslims God fearing Christian/jewish countries, never commit atrocities, and invade other countries to overthrow there government, and steal their resources, because they'd stopped using the petro dollar huh, it was, 'a war on terrorism' |
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When I was in Primary school, I remember them teaching us something about world war 2. They said it was 1 of the biggest ever black masses at that time ,something like that They played us 1 of Churchill's speeches It was before they bombed, I think it was Dresden The point was, if I recall correctly ( it's a long time ago, my memory is a little hazy ) that they were using fire bombs on a city / town largely made of wood, and obviously populated with civilians. As even though, they knew, this was wrong, it would help shorten the war, so it was alright I remember thinking, that it was just wrong And then they played us the speech. The speech seemed to have such 'power' ( for want of a better word) that after hearing it, you thought, actually, maybe he's right, it's not wrong, bomb the bastar*∆ Something like half a million civilians were killed during that raid ( I put this, as I felt it had some relevance, regarding the previous post, that mentioned ww2. Also, it has the word 'mass' in it, and goverments have been mentioned) Hey Mikey, speaking of infidels, and such, 1 can't help but feel your talking about some Muslims God fearing Christian/jewish countries, never commit atrocities, and invade other countries to overthrow there government, and steal their resources, because they'd stopped using the petro dollar huh, it was, 'a war on terrorism' Hey r2. Yes I guess that's what I was getting at but tbh I thought it was all the same god 
The Christians were a little bit naughty years and years ago 
I'm interested in military history and the Dresden incident if I recall was in response of the bombing of Coventry. I visited the memorial to bomber command the other day, it was put up in 2012 after years of some saying it wasn't appreciate. War is a terrible thing but a means to an end. Mk is right. Both sides had prayers blessing missions and equipment. God must have been on our side in the end
Take a look at my thread 'dutch nazis ' |
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1 bombing, I.e. Coventry, was largely on concrete and brick, and was aiming at factories producing things for the war, and using non incendiary bombs
The other was using incendiary bombs, not on factories, producing things for the war, but deliberately targeting civilians who lived in largely wooden houses So there's quite a significant difference |
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Oh my name it ain't nothin'
My age it means less The country I come from Is called the Midwest I was taught and brought up there The laws to abide And that land that I live in Has God on its side Oh, the history books tell it They tell it so well The cavalries charged The Indians fell The cavalries charged The Indians died Oh, the country was young With God on its side The Spanish-American War had its day And the Civil War, too Was soon laid away And the names of the heroes I was made to memorize With guns in their hands And God on their side The First World War, boys It came and it went The reason for fighting I never did get But I learned to accept it Accept it with pride For you don't count the dead When God's on your side The Second World War Came to an end We forgave the Germans And then we were friends Though they murdered six million In the ovens they fried The Germans now, too Have God on their side I've learned to hate the Russians All through my whole life If another war comes It's them we must fight To hate them and fear them To run and to hide And accept it all bravely With God on my side But now we got weapons Of chemical dust If fire them, we're forced to Then fire, them we must One push of the button And a shot the world wide And you never ask questions When God's on your side Through many a dark hour I've been thinkin' about this That Jesus Christ was Betrayed by a kiss But I can't think for you You'll have to decide Whether Judas Iscariot Had God on his side. So now as I'm leavin' I'm weary as Hell The confusion I'm feelin' Ain't no tongue can tell The words fill my head And fall to the floor That if God's on our side He'll stop the next war  'God on our side' a song by , Bob Dylan
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That if God's on our side He'll stop the next war But he didn't. |
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1 bombing, I.e. Coventry, was largely on concrete and brick, and was aiming at factories producing things for the war, and using non incendiary bombs The other was using incendiary bombs, not on factories, producing things for the war, but deliberately targeting civilians who lived in largely wooden houses So there's quite a significant difference That maybe the case r2, but they didn't go for the factories, they completely flattened Coventry City although I think at the time they said they made a mistake! What they turned to was justified at the time saying it was all contributing to the nazi war machine. An estimated 35000 that week in dresden. Same amount as London in the war. The nazis first used incendiary bombs on London,Liverpool,Hull and many other cities which changed tactics for British and american missions. Was a means to an end. |
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That if God's on our side He'll stop the next war But he didn't. No, he didn't
Trouble is that people pick and choose what parts of God they want. Apparently he created everyone and looks over everyone regardless. even those who do wrong will be forgiven! |
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When I was at school I remember wondering how we fought other countries in the Second World War. Our priests used to 'bless' ships that were designed to destroy other ships including the people on them (ugh!) But we believed in the same god as they did. I could never understand that! humanities own "free will" created war. God may have intervened in some scenarios during war, but He was not the Cause of the War, He did not Choose this war, He did not Condone this war. He also will NEVER interfere with someone's "free will" to choose to create war, choose to not believe in Him, choose to do and be whomever they want and desire to be. humanity created the delusion that God would be for them over those deemed as the enemy Whom God also Created. the majority of the worlds leader are insane. they will use whatever means to Pied Piper its People to sway them towards their purpose. Defending your nation is one thing, picking on peeps and going to their own back door, is more on lines with because your mental issues as a leader don't elevate to the top floor. |
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Then it's not right for a government to tell you what you can believe in imo is it?
God wants you to believe that it's ok to stone unruly children to death ...the Government (in some countries) wants you to believe that it's murder ..which would you rather believe in this case ...God or The Government introducing their God to someone is not an imposement.
apparently you never had a Jehovah Witness ring your doorbell early in the morning an imposement is forcing you to accept their God, making you to act like you believe in their same God, or to use a scare tactic to give you a false sense of your current reality.
actually that's not imposement but intimidation ...perhaps "Stockholm Syndrome" in your life, the only ones able to impose a belief system upon you would have been your parents, family, friends, and definitely stupid men follow the beliefs of women dabbling in the occult.
that's not imposement but brainwashing...you posted that something similar happen to you...such an experience would explain your belief in a God ... i could never impose my God upon you.
everytime you post you impose .... funches 3:16 i can irritate you by how I discuss my God.
not really... it's no different than listening to one of the Borg Collective on Star Trek discuss how the Borgs lack individuality ...the Borg as like you were forced ...ooops...er..I meant you and the borg were both "assimilated" into a religion ..resistance was futile but, in no one's sane reality, could i ever impose my God upon You!!
a belief in God has little to do with a sane reality ...God is about magically stuff also I used the term "infringe" not "imposement" ..."Imposement" is subtle as when someone use God to pester ...."infringe" goes deeper as when someone use God to violate someone's rights at times what you say seems to interest me. but more and more you are becoming to bore me. your defense and attacks are stupid and the mind reversal won't trip me up. anyone claiming that someone knocking on your door for any reason, in your case the JW's, is an IMPOSEMENT has self control issues. there's an instability within your mind where placing values only prove to be self serving. you are like a child + tantrum. |
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