let's look at the Jews.

most Jews stay with other Jews, the Jews that marry non Jews typically only had 1 parent who was Jew.

those from 2 Jew parents typically marry Jews only.
^
this is where the genetic issue lies at.

did you know that genetically, JEWS carry certain viruses that NO OTHER RACE has?

did you know that African Americans (Black People from USA) suffer from more heart attacks, diabetes, and other issues more than ANY OTHER RACE?

each RACE, CREED, sub Species of the Hominid, have their own genetic DEFECTS.

now, in EVOLUTION, it would not understand this is a JEW so they get this virus, this is a BLACK PERSON so they get this disease...NO EVOLUTION, PROVEN BY DNA STRUCTURE, which is a PROGRAM (means the genetic CODES were PROGRAMMED into us, not by accident or spontity like evolutionists want us to believe.

since our Genetics ARE PROGRAMMED, when we mix we bring our virus to those we breed with. and vice a versa, they bring their viruses to us. and our offspring now suffers from MY VIRUS and from the Mothers virus genetically programmed into each sub Species of the Hominid.



evolution could never formatted that Jews suffer from this and Blacks suffer from this, and Asians suffer from this....AND EACH VIRUS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS...no, the Reason we have separate viruses naturally among Races is due to PROGRAMMING IN OUR DNA BY GOD!!

JEWS

19 Jewish Genetic Diseases | Nicklaus Children's Hospital

https://www.nicklauschildrens.org › medical-services › the-victor-center
Nicklaus Children's Hospital helps children and adolescents with Jewish Eastern ... It is possible to be a carrier of the gene without having the genetic disease. ... seizures, enlarged liver, and blindness, and ultimately suffer an early death. ... It can be present in the immediate newborn period through the first year of life with ...



AFRICAN AMERICANS

Every year, Americans suffer more than 1.5 million heart attacks and strokes. Nearly 44% of African American men and 48% of African American women have some form of cardiovascular disease that includes heart disease and stroke.
African American Heart Disease and Stroke Fact Sheet|Data ...

https://www.cdc.gov › dhdsp › data_statistics › fact_sheets › fs_aa


ASIANS

Cystic Fibrosis Among Asians: Why Ethnicity-Based Genetic ...

https://blogs.plos.org › dnascience › 2017/07/06 › cystic-fibrosis-among-a...
Jul 6, 2017 - A hypothetical heterosexual couple living in the US or UK takes tests to learn if they are carriers of the more prevalent recessive diseases.






you can go down the list and each SPECIFIC RACE suffers greatly from something DIFFERENT than the NEXT RACE suffers from.

that is PROGRAMMING and ABSOLUTE PROOF of PROGRAMMING OUR DNA StRUCTURE!!

if this was evolved by evolution, ALL HUMANS WOULD SUFFER THE SAME, but these examples PROVE that is IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL RACES TO SUFFER THE SAME because they EACH RACE IS GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED DIFFERENTLY!!

first of all, if you had the original hebrew torah, aramaic new testament, greek new testament, the first Disciple from Apostle and Beloved Disciple John (Polycarp), the church fathers notes...had all of this original documentation.

it would be impossible that any other god or deity could be even imagined as SAME DEITIES.

and it appears that your mind is way too out there to grasp that simple concept.




i also see you do not know that the Ancient Greek Historians, along with the other Mesopotamians and Ancient Historians of that Day (Arab - Roman - Asian) wrote of the Authenticity that the Person known as Yeshua (Jesus) was the Real Deal. from all 12 Historians of that area and time period and just past PROVE this Yeshua was real, did these Miracles no other could do, taught about Yahweh, was killed, 2 confirm that not only did He RESURRECT, but that He made SEVERAL APPEARANCES so it was KNOWN HE RESURRECTED...and that after He Ascended, His Followers kept the Faith.

and also what is ironic, by the time that the Greek Sataryst Lucian wrote his own work of that Day, he tells us about the first Generations of Followers from the Apostles to the Church Fathers themselves.

So, for you to think God is fake, the Ancient Historians claim there FACTUALLY was a man named Yeshua, who did things no other ever nor still can do in how He did it, and He claimed He was God (I AM), was murdered by Crucifixion, THREE WRITE SPECIFICALLY THAT WHEN YESHUA DIED THE SKY TURNED PITCH BLACK AND THEY WERE IN GREECE AND ONE WAS IN TURKEY AT THIS TIME (THAT IS BLACKNESS FROM ISRAEL TO GREECE AND TURKEY AND NO DOUBT IT WAS EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THIS WAS AND IS GOD!!) was Buried in a Tomb, and Arose and made APPEARANCES before He Ascended.
^
now,
if any of that is true, you are so far gone you won't even realize the magnitude of it!!

All that...LOL

Does God Exist?
OP: samawi30

iam_resurrected, You not only interject on every reply you are now replying to your own replies?
Twice in a row?

Good Job!

i just added things I normally mentioned but had not added to the first post(s). that is all.
instead of editing and making the post longer, i just quoted and continued.

This topic is still going? I've been away for a while and rather expected it to have faded away.

Those who believe are trying every evasive trick in the book to justify their belief in their myths and legends, in the face of criticism from those who are aware there there is in fact no such thing.

Please don't get bogged down in all that incredible detail, it's just more trees in the forest that make it difficult for non believers to see. Too many trees and you can't see the wood!

Please, dear believers, try to give a simple explanation of what it is you believe in and why it is so important that you have this belief. Some of us just don't get it, or why it is so important. If you go into all that incredible detail, our eyes just glaze over as we can't make head nor tail of it. Nothing said in this thread has had the slightest effect on me from the point of view of 'conversion'.

I'm not actually asking for conversion, but some sort of scientific proof would help. I don't mean quoting someone famous who is also a believer, there are many of them and I could of course quote many famous people who are non believers, so that proves nothing whatsoever to me.

The kind of scientific evidence I require is the accepted method of peer reviewed journals, where someone carries out an experiment that seems to offer proof. That evidence is then published in a respected scientific peer-reviewed journal. Someone else then needs to carry out the same experiment and publish their findings in the same way. Other scientific researchers become interested and do their own experiements. Gradually a consensus appears and after a along time, it becomes 'accepted' that as far as we currently know, these researches seem to be valid. That is as good as it gets. There is no certainty in science, only currently accepted theories.

Please don't fob us off with the rubbish that god is 'outside science'. That is a cop-out and a total misunderstanding of what science is all about! For the record, science is the study of the world we live in. If there is a god, he, she or it, is part of that world. People build vast cathedrals for the purposes of worshipping this 'being' (for want of a better word). Why would they do that if there is no such being? Perhaps they've all been duped by the salesmen offering the promise of rewards after death (or punishment if you're the bad guy). We need to know!

So far, it goes without saying that no such evidence has been found. No answer has yet been provided here to the well known conundrum that if god can 'do anything' and is all loving, why so many natural disasters, with ten thousand people being killed in a single tsunami? Perhaps she doesn't really care about all of us individally? Or perhaps she cares greatly but is not in fact all powerful and cannot either stop the tsunami, or at least put the idea into people's heads that it would not be a good idea to be in that place at that time.

Sensible answers only, please. None of huge detail about what name we should use to describe this being, or who said what some thousands of years ago. That stuff is unhelpful to this topic.

Oh, God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe said, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God said, "No" Abe say, "What?"
God say, "You can do what you want, Abe, but
The next time you see me comin', you better run"
Well, Abe said, "Where d'you want this killin' done?"
God said, "Out on Highway 61"

Well, Georgia Sam, he had a bloody nose
Welfare department, they wouldn't give him no clothes
He asked poor Howard, "Where can I go?"
Howard said, "There's only one place I know"
Sam said, "Tell me quick, man, I got to run"
Oh, Howard just pointed with his gun
And said, "That way, down Highway 61"

Well, Mack the Finger said to Louie the King
"I got forty red-white-and-blue shoestrings
And a thousand telephones that don't ring
Do you know where I can get rid of these things?"
And Louie the King said, "Let me think for a minute, son"
Then he said, "Yes, I think it can be easily done
Just take everything down to Highway 61"

Now, the fifth daughter on the twelfth night
Told the first father that things weren't right
"My complexion, " she says, "is much too white"
He said, "Come here and step into the light"
He said, "Hmm, you're right, let me tell the second mother this has been done"
But the second mother was with the seventh son
And they were both out on Highway 61

Now, the roving gambler he was very bored
Trying to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said, "I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes, I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61"

'Highway 61 revisited' a song by
Bob Dylan

Standing on the waters casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
Freedom just around the corner for you
But with the truth so far off, what good will it do?

[Chorus]
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman

So swiftly the sun sets in the sky
You rise up and say goodbye to no one
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread
Both of their futures, so full of dread, you don't show one
Shedding off one more layer of skin
Keeping one step ahead of the persecutor within.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

You're a man of the mountains, you can walk on the clouds
Manipulator of crowds, you're a dream twister
You're going to Sodom and Gomorrah
But what do you care ? Ain't nobody there would want marry your sister
Friend to the martyr, a friend to the woman of shame
You look into the fiery furnace, see the rich man without any name.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy
The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers
In the smoke of the twilight on a milk-white steed
Michelangelo indeed could've carved out your features
Resting in the fields, far from the turbulent space
Half asleep near the stars with a small dog licking your face.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

Well, the rifleman's stalking the sick and the lame
Preacherman seeks the same, who'll get there first is uncertain
Nightsticks and water cannons, tear gas, padlocks
Molotov cocktails and rocks behind every curtain
False-hearted judges dying in the webs that they spin
Only a matter of time 'til the night comes stepping in.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

It's a shadowy world, skies are slippery gray
A woman just gave birth to a prince today and dressed him in scarlet
He'll put the priest in his pocket, put the blade to the heat
Take the motherless children off the street
And place them at the feet of a harlot
Oh, Jokerman, you know what he wants
Oh, Jokerman, you don't show any response.

Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.

'Jokerman' song by
Bob Dylan

https://youtu.be/1XSvsFgvWr0

Glad to say that I was only brainwashed when I was a kid. I believed in Santa too.

Now I'm an aetheist and humanist.

Then I grew up.

With respect, I say it is you who are brainwashed. It is you who believe in a non-existent mythical being and it is you who live your life by rules laid down by men who think they are the required rules of this mythical being.

As a humanist, I live by the 'christian' ideals of treat others as you would be treated, in other words be nice to people, don't kill or steal, and so on. As an adult I can do all of this without needing some imaginary friend to tell me what to do!

It is certainly you who are too ignorant of the real world to realise that this mythical being who loves you so much is nothing more than an imaginary friend who exists only in your mind.

Even better I have no expectation whatsoever of reward or punishment in some sort of life after I cease breathing and am dead. It is a fault of the human race that we are arrogant and find it just too hard to accept that there is absolutely nothing after death. We are animals (advanced, of course) but when we die there is nothing left but memories shared by our friends and family. I am comfortable with that, but people who have not yet grown up still cling to this very old-fashioned belief that there is some sort of 'spirit' that continues to exist after death and that somehow this 'spirit' is rewarded or punished according to our behaviour while alive.

Sorry pal, you're just wrong, it's not like that!

the truly brainwashed victim adopts a singular point of view towards a
given subject, and insists that their point of view is the absolute truth and
all other explanations are false...

the exact opposite of a person with
an open mind who desires new ideas...


#theShoeFits

is that like hating going to COURT and PUBLIC SCHOOLS reading the 10 Commandments and believing WE ARE too brilliant to need simple reminders on how to be and treat other Humans?

i was raised in an environment where i respected and knew all of my neighbors and was friends of their children as a child myself.

we said Pledge of Allegiance and had 10 Commandment reminders daily in PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS.


IRONICALLY, people began thinking these 10 Commandment reminders were forcing views upon THEM and that ALL HUMANITY was capable of doing as these Commandments were implying WITHOUT there having to be an idea concerning GOD!!

Suddenly, those reminders were gone from CourtHouses/Rooms and Public School Systems.

WITHIN TWO (2) YEARS of removing these COMMANDMENTS from Public School Systems, Columbine took place. and SINCE THEN, 20 LATERS, more shootings by 20 year olds and under have taken the lives of TEACHERS-STAFF-STUDENTS-POLICE OFFICERS-OTHERS INVOLVED than all of the lives lost in the current Afghanny War and Al Quaeda.


it would appear, that the YOUNGER GENERATION is not CAPABLE of knowing what those Reminders them COMMANDMENTS gave.

it also would appear, that NON BELIEVING wisdom has literally brought a steady stream of VIOLENT DEATH UPON HUMANITY.

you are literally KILLING US DAILY!!


maybe you should begin with, "you are not as wise as you choose to believe you are," before making a claim and pushing a vote on societies better half!!

I guess things are a bit different here in England. I was sent to a Catholic school and that is where I learnt human values. These were of course wrapped up in the Catholic system but somehow that all went over my head and when I left school I stopped going to church or having any belief in it. My parents and teachers managed to teach me the right and wrong things to do and once I grew up after school I was easily able to discard the Catholic part of my upbringing and continue leading a normal life.

I think it is naïve to suggest that the increase in general violence around the world is the result of a change in the policy of the shool you attended! As far as I know the school I went to has not changed its policy in that respect at all, but it hasn't stopped the worldwide violence we sadly see these days. I do believe that these two are not in any way connected, at least not here in England.

I think we all believe things that may or may not be true.
Belief is a personal thing, within our own minds.

Belief does not assure reality tho.
Even beliefs that are founded on reality.

An example might be walking at night in the dark.
We believe each step we take will be on solid ground.
In most cases, reality aligns with our beliefs.
However, if we step, expecting, believing our foot will land on solid ground but in reality there is a hole there, we fall down or stagger or catch ourselves.
As we stepped, we believed our foot would land on solid ground but we didn't see the actual reality before us and we stepped into a hole.

Religion asks, no...requires you to believe in something that may or may not be actual reality. It asks you to step along based on your faith in your belief.
Each successful step reinforces your faith.
Everything is fine as long as reality aligns with your faith of belief.
When it doesn't, the mind tries to substitute reasons for this misalignment but since you are experienced by so many faithful steps, your belief is not questioned, it MUST be something else.

When you step in enough holes, you start to look at the reality around you and the faith in your belief is reduced.
You either try to reinfoce that faith so you can again believe as you once did or you begin to believe less and less in your belief and question your faith.
Some will substitute their belief in another and some will abandon their belief in favor of reality.

The question Does God Exist? is a question of the faith of your own beliefs.
Nobody else can answer that question for you. Just because somebody else agrees with you, doesn't mean their belief and failth in their belief is exactly as yours, there is no correct answer for everyone.
Its purely personal.

No matter how hard you try, you can't MAKE someone love you.
No matter how hard you try you can't MAKE someone believe exactly as you do or have the same degree of faith in those beliefs.

The question Does God Exist? is a personal question requiring no defense.

Levinthal's paradox, to me, stands for mathematical proof that life did not evolve on its own in this Universe, because it would take much more time than the universe has existed for simple building blocks of life to happen by random chance.

So if life was not created in this universe by chance, where did it come from?

so 7,000,000,000 years is not enough time?
I say 7 billion because life did evolve on this planet some 4 billion years ago.
But wait, on who's authority are you basing your hypothesis?
Do you know him? Have you tested his hypothesis, done experiments, made observations?
Do you dismiss the evidence collected by others that refute his claims?
Have you inspected that evidence and officially delared it as inconsequential?
To what do you extend the authority of your claim?

Do you even realize how long 13.7 billion years is?
I doubt it.

a once prominent, now no longer among the living Astrophysicists from the University of Stanford (he was considered a Genius) in the 1970's confirmed that Billions, as in 13 Billion years was NOWHERE long enough to even format the Universe from our own capabilities (high powered telescopes + satellites) (the portion of the Universe we are able to observe would take longer than 13 Billion years to be as developed as it appears currently).

he claimed according to the formulas and calculations, that Mathematically, Evolution would take literally TRILLIONS of years because everything is Random.

even though DNA proves otherwise, everything is PROGRAMMED!!

these young males, have been diagnosed as those who at times, aren't on the same level mentally as the rest of the world.

and their Mentality is trainable.

like putting post it stickers on your mirror with written notes for encouragement.

these males are the type of people you tell go drill a hole in the parking lot and next thing you have the sewers unearthed.

they do as DIRECTED because that is their mentality.

when they decide to kill others, it's because they find somewhere that instructs them this is a good thing and they follow it.

SO, IT IS VERY POSSIBLE WHEN DEALING with IDIOTS LIKE THIS THAT A SIMPLE 10 COMMANDMENTS REMINDER could be the thing these types of Young Males follow and STOP KILLING one another...because the "MESSAGE SAYS, "DO NOT KILL" they would read EVERY DAY!!

because after having MORE TEACHERS, EDUCATORS, STAFF, STUDENTS "KILLED BRUTALLY MURDERED" THAN ALL THE LIVES DEAD IN THE CURRENT ONGOING AFGHANNY WAR.......IS QUITE THE REVELATION THAT YOUNGER PEOPLE DON'T FEEL THE SAME TOWARDS HUMANITY LIKE YOU AND I DO.

and when you have a generational gap that DOES NOT RESPECT the rest of humanity, including NOT respecting their own peers, SOMEONE MESSED UP SOCIETAL WISE if OUR YOUTH have no LIFE VALUES toward one another.

and by REMOVING a REMINDER that STOOD for Centuries in Public Domain, SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT HAD NEVER BEFORE, we started MASS KILLING one another in our PUBLIC SCHOOLS...that NEVER HAPPENED WHEN THE 10 COMMANDMENTS Was A STAPLE OF OUR SOCIETY!!

Your description might apply to Americans but it certainly does not apply to those in English schools when I was at school.

If something is random, it is not programmed (no need for boldface or capitals, those are considered to be shouting). On the other hand if something is programmed, it is not random. Those words are near enough opposites!

Believers in some sort of faith would say that what happened from the dawm of time has all been programmed by the fantastic being they believe in. People like me say the opposite. The universe was created by random acts, which clearly do not need trillions of years. The very meaning of the word random is that something might happen tomorrow, or not for a very long time. What actually happened is that life formed in a random way over the number of years that it took to happen, nothing more, nothing less than that.

I can't understand why some people behave like conspiracy theorists and just cannot accept that what happened is what happened, and was not 'created' by some amazing being. If I find I'm wrong and I get to meet this being, my only question would be, "Why?"

Apply Occam's Razor to this situation - the simplest explanation is most likely to be the correct one. I go along with that!

Not all of the 10 commandments make sense
There is of course, the classic, Do not covet thy neighbours ox

Which is very similar to the , don't have envy 1, whatever that is

These are both rubbish, envy is natural
Jealousy is a different beast altogether , and that I could get on board with, but envy ..bananas

Oh it's cold, I haven't got a coat or any shoes
I sure envy those that do

The don't worship false idols

Another baloney sandwich, you'll never get to heaven if you don't support the right football team, and we all know where you end up if you don't go to heaven

Besides your assertion is really only relevant to 'Christisans from the U.S.A. '

By your principle, all other unchristian nations would be shooting the bejesus out of each other every day in school, but, they're not, on the whole anyway