I honestly believe that if something so terrible happened to me, I would consider myself to be extremely lucky. There is no logical reason why I would suddenly start to believe in some mythical creature that decided to save me, and me alone, while allowing others nearby to be destroyed. Good luck is the only thing that would make sense to me in that situation. I would find it impossible to believe that I alone am worthy of saving yet those nearby are not worthy of saving, so they had to die.

I would be a great deal more impressed if I met a pacifist who left the army because he was suddenly unable to push the button that would fire a missile. Instead he had a powerful feeling that it was wrong to kill anyone, as it commands in the bible. People would have been killed if he had fired that missile, but because he didn't, many people survived.

Some people accept that what happens is sometimes down to others and sometimes just bad (or good) luck. If you win the lottery, it is no more than random chance that gave you the good luck to have the right number. If you pass a bus at the time a tyre bursts, the bus might swerve resulting in your death. Where is this 'god' then? It would be nothing more than bad luck if a pure accident like that resulted in your death.

People who believe in god because of some dramatic event (good or bad) are shallow and cannot face the reality that there really is no such thing. Human beings really are very arrogant in thinking there is anything at all after the point when life ends. When life ends, it is the same for humans as for all animals. All that is left is a body and memories.

Luck?

You have no idea what luck is. and You definitely have no idea what looking at the Laws of Physics and having a first hand glimpse witnessing a Greater Law interceding and changing the motion that had been set in place as destiny. those Laws by not completely applying and complying is definite proof in my view this was an obvious and clear MIRACLE!!

a Miracle well beyond the limits of where Luck can even begin to imagine!!

Hi I_am resurrected,
I was just making a little joke, that you had not returned to the conversation. No harm meant.

Your experience sounds incredibly traumatic and horrifying, especially seeing 2 people burnt alive.

Yes, it does seem incredible that you survived this experience unscathed, and I'm glad you did.

You said it was a scud missile and that 6 of the men were enlisted.
I guess that means you were serving our country at the time.

Thank you for your Brave service to our Country, and for keeping us safe.

You say a Being, an entity, contacted you and said it wasn't your time yet.

I believe many people have Spiritual Guides that contact them, especially in life and death situations. You might classify it as an Angel.

I respect your beliefs, in God and Christianity. I believe differently, but I understand you are very passionate in your beliefs, especially because of the things that have happened to you.

I believe you did have a real spiritual encounter. I also believe your ultimate goal, and the message you received, is trying to help people.

I believe you sincerely share your views, and, yes, try to sway peoples
Opinions and viewpoints, because you feel you are sharing God's word and helping people.

I would not say that to everybody, but I can see and feel both your sincerity and zest on the subject and understand the reasons.

What you went thru and the communication you received was amazing. Yes, I would say you are Blessed to be alive.

I respectfully suggest that I do fully understand the laws of physics as regards chance, statistics and luck. It's great that you survived, but don't make too much of it. Chance alone is enough to explain that the missile followed the laws of physics exactly and hit those who were in its path and missed you. No other explanation is needed. Why did your god not save the others who were killed? I doubt their families share your belief.

Did it take this event to give you a belief in god? Or did you believe before the event? There is actually an official definition of a miracle and the events you describe do not make it a miracle.

I'm not putting you down, just hoping you will understand that you were very, very lucky that day. And those with you were not lucky.

Presumably the person who pushed the button to fire that missile fully intended to kill people. He suceeded in killing some and probably wished he had killed many more. Is this the right way for "God's people" to behave? Killing other people?

If there is a God, she is not very clever at teaching us humans to obey the bible and not kill other humans. Very sad.

Hmm, if we just die, and that's it, then nothing
Then why have various cultures, in various countries, going back who knows who long, have practices that include ritualistic sacrifice.
What purpose, would that serve?
Are they / where they all, just idiots?

A different question
Just who was Dr John Dee?
And what was he about?

You speak of the laws of physics
What is metaphysics?
And what are it's laws?

I feel there are many instances, that point toward, various possibilities
I myself try to keep an open mind
As I truly do not know 100%
Even when I've thought I have known something 100% , on occasions, I've had cause to find out, i was wrong

man, you are all crazy, sure...there is a higher power, but not like the money hungry religions want us to believe....go outside and look at the night sky...like the old saying...people make plans and God laughs

The question is:
DOES GOD EXIST?

I know, there are many things in reality that I can't explain.
I know there are things that happened (evidence exists) that are beyond mankind's power to make happen.
As far as I am concerned, that unkown Power, Force or Energy, might be God.
Until someone defines that power, force or energy and can explain what science has uncovered to be reality, God exists.

Not your God.
Your God is unrealistic and inept.
What I call God is the Unknown.

Human beings have a knack for assigning the unknown to divinity.
Its how we cope with the unknown.
When we discover the reality of something we call it what it is.
Until we know everything about everything, everywhen in all possible scenarios, God will exist.
So, does God exist?
Certainly!

Can God be specifically described?
No, not really.

A man places an offering on an alter to his God.
He goes home and comes back the next day and the offering is always gone.
He doesn't know a monkey came during the night and ate the offering.
Until he catches the monkey eating the offering, he will think God accepted his offering.
When he does, he kills the monkey.
Now the offering is not gone when he returns.
He assumes he has sinned and his God is angry with him.
He fails to make the logical connection of the monkey was the one taking the offering.

What science does is defines the connection of the offering to the monkey.
Cause and effect.
The reality can be tested with specific results as long as there is a monkey available and an offering available and the man goes home and returns.

There are things in reality that I can't explain.
Those unexplainable things are like the monkey stealing my offering while I am absent.
I suspect something is actually at work here but I can't explain it.
I call that unknown...GOD.

I totally agree that humans have the knack of assigning unknowns to a divinity. But why lump all those unknowns together and give them a name that is so easily confused with the name given by Christians, and others, to the divinity in which they believe?

I prefer the simpler approach. Call a spade 'a spade', a monkey 'a monkey' and call the unknown, 'unknown'. After all, each of these various unknown forces might have a totally different explanation. No doubt over time science will find the answers, just as the unknown problem of the monkey and the offering could be solved by patient waiting and watching after putting the sacrifice on the table. After a time you catch and kill the monkey. Then you might have to wait and watch for a long time before another monkey, or a rabit, comes along and eats the offering. A proper scientific study would have large numbers of people putting out sacrifices and watching to see what happens. It would soon be discovered that the sacrifice is only taken by an animal, every time. Of course you could conclude that the animals are various forms of God.........

I do accept that there *might* be a higher power. It is one of the possibilities that science might ultimately be able to explain. It is certainly arrogant to assume that we know everything. We are continually making new discoveries and I greatly doubt we will ever reach that point when we really do know and understand 'everything'.

If I had to guess, I would think the higher power might be an alien existence very far in advance of us, perhaps watching us, perhaps interfering in a very small way so as to guide us. Or perhaps just curious to see how long it will be before we totally destroy ourselves in a nuclear war. Perhaps taking bets on the date.

But for now, all that is, in my mind, just 'unknown'.

Does God exist?

Possibly

Like I said in an earlier reply, you can call it anything, I call it "God".
Also know that my idea of God is not what others tell me but as I define it myself so any religious correlation is entirely on your part.
Unlike the religious, I feel no need to defend how I understand what I call God. I participate only to add a 'different' take on the subject.
What anyone does with it is their prerogative.

The way I see aliens, said aliens would have to have been in existence before the initial change that started the chain reaction which resulted in the reality in which we exist. I see that as very highly unlikely. It would mean said aliens exist beyond space and time.
Besides, the alien influence theory has the same shortcomings as the religious Gods theory.
Unrealistic and inept to our current understanding based on the evidence we have learned so far about reality.

It's OK to define God in your own way, just so long as you make it clear that you are 'borrowing' another word with a well-understood meaning for describing the unknown. I can't see the point of doing that, but each to their own.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning that we must be the earliest civilisation to have developed. That means all aliens that might exist anywhere must be younger than us.

Why?

My suggestion referred to an alien civilisation that sprung up before we did. The universe is believed to be about 35 billion years old. If another civilsation started a million years or so before us, think where they would have got by now. Perhaps they have spaceships that can travel faster than light, or travel though wormholes. Perhaps some of the exploits of Star Trek are only fiction at the moment and might become reality in our future. Or are already reality for another species. These are the aliens to which I was referring in my last post.

Maybe God, disguised himself, as a monkey, to throw you off the scent, and then introduced the thought to your head, that, maybe the aliens disguised themselves as monkeys, to throw you off the scent, mysterious ways and all, I mean, it's possible

Since it is obviously clear that Darwin had an idea in mind, an idea that NEVER QUALIFIED FACTUALLY WITH PROOF, just by generational acceptance from future peers, that "Evolution" took place to ever begin with.

And the older Science Books SPECIFICALLY MENTION BY POINTING OUT, that Darwin's IDEAS were NEVER TO BE ACCEPTED AS A FACT, but we are to take the example of how Darwin went about gathering and observing to use for our own studies.

Unfortunately, the literal sufferers OF Psychological Disorders AND OTHER known MENTAL ISSUES, that MANY WITHIN THE FIELD OF SCIENCE are diagnosed with, COMPLETELY MISSED Darwin's examples have no PROOF or FACT but we are ONLY to use his example in our studies for a format/guide, and went straight into how we FACTUALLY DID NOT ARRIVE AND EVOLVE FROM the list of Species that have been assigned as our ancestors including the planta amoeba.

if you want to consider yourself BRILLIANT for literally accepting the views and opinions of people TRUTHFULLY SUFFERING GREATLY FROM MENTAL ILLNESS(es)... then be the BIGGEST FOOL this world has ever known!!

Shout it from the rooftop!!

the greatest stigma about STUPIDITY, is the fact that it is the most contagious and crippling aspect to humanity itself!!

and when you put your faith into those who suffer from Mental Illness, you become the Stigma!!

From my point of view.. If a being exists that is potent enough to shape galaxies.
Then he/she is unlikely to care overmuch about something as trivial as
whether or not individuals on a tiny spec somewhere behave in a way that is deemed moral or immoral by the rules laid down by ( insert your favorite religion here ) Priests and scribes.
I imagine that the human race would have to become a whole lot more of a presence in the galaxy to even gain such a hypothetical beings notice for an instant.
I could be wrong though lol

you understand the mathematics and mechanics behind the schematics of a missile, it's launch path, its coding processes due to seeing the missiles end result, but logically and probability you have no clue as to the Physics of any of it.

and i have spoken to the families of those who were with me that day. and maybe it's due to relating in a one on one personal setting, but those families after sitting and listening to me concerning how i explained what i can clearly recall, are now all Believers of Christ today!!

I can tell you what took place in words, but to understand me, you need to hear it from my mouth, watch me, judge me, and see in that viewpoint from my body language. This kind of Truth and Revelation is something that you only will feel in my spirit, when i share those memories and bring them back to life again.

and I was raised going to my Grandfather and Father's Church, travelled and sat in their teachings within Biblical Colleges, when they were invited to speak in general occasions, and especially when they were invited to define scholar positions towards Scripture itself.

I knew this, still have all of their lifetime's worth of work, literature, teachings, documentations, cassette tapes, film, etc.

But i decided that life was not for me. I decided to live according to things that seemed to be against the belief in God. i was not going to be a preacher/teacher like them. i was never going to put myself into a position of authority ever concerning God, and anything concerning God.

and every stance i made, life **** on me hard, my own decision making became pathetic, my reality became severely flawed and skewed. and one accident, tragedy, awakening, jail after another i eventually was so far down the hole, that when i looked up i could not even see bottom!! i had no control of anything but myself, my mind, my actions, my words.

i began challenging God. basically making it a competition between myself vs God. Bro, the whirlwind i finally crashed from, was more than enough after example, experiences, all of it to conclude I will now see if God was like my Grandfather and Father claimed He was.

I invited Him into my life!!

not a single issue since then. i have never made the type of income i do now, i never had the benefits like i do now, the blessings, every single need is ot only met, but my wants and desires have even been granted.

You be You and believe in nothing, i am going to believe in a Personal God that Spoke it ALL into Existence. because no one, maybe bill gates and warren buffet others like them that could dig a hole out and restart new because of their capital. but it was MIRACLE(((((s))))) that flipped my world upside and around. i was completely ruined and no one knew how to help. many tried. courts and the law would not allow it. i was in the system and trapped. financially ruined beyond bankrupt, my credit was so horrific it would require TWO CO-SIGNERS just for two hundred dollar loan!! it was bad, it was miserable, it was hell.

and even though i joke at times, there are those who once was where i was at...and today...i could buy and sell just about any and all of them.

God flipped it right side up, He corrected my errors, He opened doors no one else had the ability to open. And that does not include the few times I know He saved my life, especially when i saw Him save me after assuring me i would live.

i had enough of life and things that can shipwreck you for good. i make decisions for other people today. i can lose them big losses and gain them big gains. but God put me in a position GOING from needing and requiring advice from ALL OTHERS, to becoming their ADVICE GIVER!!

went to edit last post and hit quote. this is a wasted post lol

I'd gladly lose me to find you
I'd gladly give up all I had
To find you I'd suffer anything and be glad
I'd pay any price just to get you
I'd work all my life and I will
To win you I'd stand naked, stoned and stabbed
I'd call that a bargain
The best I ever had
The best I ever had
I'd gladly lose me to find you
I'd gladly give up all I got
To catch you I'm gonna run and never stop
I'd pay any price just to win you
Surrender my good life for bad
To find you I'm gonna drown an unsung man
I'd call that a bargain
The best I ever had
The best I ever had
I sit looking 'round
I look at my face in the mirror
I know I'm worth nothing without you
And like one and one don't make two
One and one make one
And I'm looking for that free ride to me
I'm looking for you
I'd gladly lose me to find you
I'd gladly give up all I got
To catch you I'm gonna run and never stop
I'd pay any price just to win you
Surrender my good life for bad
To find you I'm gonna drown an unsung man
I'd call that a bargain
The best I ever had
The best I ever had

Sorry, but reading all that, I just couldn't help, but think of this

That's by The Who, by the way, as you might have guessed, it's called 'Bargain'

Makes sense to me.
I would ramp it up to creating an entire Universe.
Same point tho.

Human beings have a serious case of delusion of grandure.
Plus, our duration of 2 million years for the species and less than 100 years as a lifespan are really insignificant compared to billions of years.

For a being that exists (has existed) billions of years, how significant is 100 years?

13,700,000,000 years
VS
100 years
and most of our lives are less than 100.

The Earth has a circumference of just over 40,000 km and a surface area of 510 million square kilometers. Many people can't fathom the size.
To us, its HUGE!

The Sun has a circumference roughly 109 times bigger than the Earth, at over 4 million km. Whilst the surface area is over 6 trillion square kilometers – which is 12,000 times that of Earth.
Most people can't fathom the size.
It is HUGE!

Currently, it is believed that UY Scuti is the biggest star in the known universe. 489 trillion Earths fit into the volume of this star.
A TRILLION is difficult for most people to fathom.
It is HUGE!

We don’t even know how many stars there are in our GALAXY with any certainty – the current best estimate is between 100 billion and 400 billion – let alone have been able to accurately measure the size of them.
Current best estimates is that our galaxy (remember, containing up to 400 billion stars), is only one of 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe.
It is HUGE!

Religion wants you to believe that GOD of everything, everywhere, everywhen is focused on YOU and how you live your life?

Okay...

That is EXACTLY what religion expects of the misguided! And the amazing thing is the large number of gullible people who believe all that stuff. The sad thing is that some people use their religion as an excuse to start a conflict, even a war. Normally I don't care what other people think or do, but if I am inconvenienced by a war, that's not fair.