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Topic: God is NOT a loving god.
DavidM616's photo
Mon 10/24/16 11:35 AM
Edited by DavidM616 on Mon 10/24/16 11:37 AM

There is enough extra biblical proof to verify that Jesus Christ did live, die and resurrected in the early 1st century.


I would be very interest in seeing the extra-biblical proof that Jesus was RESURRECTED.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 10/24/16 11:49 AM


There is enough extra biblical proof to verify that Jesus Christ did live, die and resurrected in the early 1st century.


I would be very interest in seeing the extra-biblical proof that Jesus was RESURRECTED.


BIBLICAL proof? what noway

DavidM616's photo
Mon 10/24/16 11:53 AM
I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 10/24/16 12:06 PM

I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...

Kindlightheart's photo
Mon 10/24/16 04:05 PM
I think one of the hardest things to do as a human in these days is to have any faith in God at all...we as people are so warped by our governments...not to mention the elitists that own the puppets...everyone hating everyone...yup..the governments did their job well...but human behavior has nothing to do with Gods undying love for us souls...hate is a human emotion...God loves souls...Humans love themselves....a small percentage of humans created all the issues we have on earth...out of greed...not God..Gods love is...we just need to understand he's not human....and those humans that did all the wrong....they will get their just reward...it's hard to think an entity as great as God would just sit back and let us suffer like we do...but his design is simple...love as he loves...greedy and power hungry souls are the problem...but Gods love is always there..hint...anything that is related to money has nothing to do with Gods love...jmoflowerforyou

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Mon 10/24/16 06:44 PM

I think one of the hardest things to do as a human in these days is to have any faith in God at all...we as people are so warped by our governments...not to mention the elitists that own the puppets...everyone hating everyone...yup..the governments did their job well...but human behavior has nothing to do with Gods undying love for us souls...hate is a human emotion...God loves souls...Humans love themselves....a small percentage of humans created all the issues we have on earth...out of greed...not God..Gods love is...we just need to understand he's not human....and those humans that did all the wrong....they will get their just reward...it's hard to think an entity as great as God would just sit back and let us suffer like we do...but his design is simple...love as he loves...greedy and power hungry souls are the problem...but Gods love is always there..hint...anything that is related to money has nothing to do with Gods love...jmoflowerforyou


The only place that god exists is in our eternal sleep (IE: in our dreams). Super convenient. Btw, the gov's want god to exist, at least in the minds of the people because it keeps them mindless and docile. So long as god "exists" the gov can do whatever it wants while half the people don't even care because they think the best part of their lives will come after they're dead. As well the people don't think about punishing those that ruin our society because we think some all powerful god will do it for us. God is nothing more than a sign of man giving up on themselves, we give all of our power to a non-existent entity. That last sentence I know is not the case for all people but for many people that's exactly what it is.

Kindlightheart's photo
Mon 10/24/16 07:04 PM
Funny you say that Lazerus ...when I get pissy with my God I say something very similar...I actually get mad that I do believe in God...I would so enjoy being a entity that had no God..without God there is no consequences and it would be nice to do as I please...and at least with God there is a peace in a vengeful soul..flowerforyou

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 10/24/16 07:15 PM


I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.

Godsfriend10's photo
Mon 10/24/16 07:21 PM



I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :wink:

mightymoe's photo
Mon 10/24/16 07:25 PM



I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.


Babylonian was about 1000 years before JC...

Godsfriend10's photo
Mon 10/24/16 07:29 PM
He is evidenced in the lives of all who believe in him irrespective of race or nationality.
He ressurrected because He lives in our hearts....we who believe.

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 10/24/16 07:32 PM




I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.


Babylonian was about 1000 years before JC...


From the Babylonian Talmud

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”

This reference was compiled together around A.D. 70-200.

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Mon 10/24/16 07:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 10/24/16 07:32 PM
I remember a statement that stayed with me

God is 'just' not 'fair'

our worldly idea of love and justice, is only worldly, and not Godly

Lazarus102's photo
Mon 10/24/16 08:21 PM

He is evidenced in the lives of all who believe in him irrespective of race or nationality.
He ressurrected because He lives in our hearts....we who believe.


He exists in the lives of all who believe in him, lol... So does flying pink unicorns, doesn't mean they're real.

DavidM616's photo
Tue 10/25/16 01:52 AM



I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.

You are correct about this discussion being off-topic. My bad.
As I don't want to derail the thread, all I will say is that the quotes that you mention do not constitute proof that Jesus was resurrected, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that, with the exception of the Testimonium Flavianum (Which is likely an interpolation, anyway.), none of them that I've seen actually mention a resurrection; just the execution!

As to the point of the thread...
Taking the Bible at face-value, here's something to think about:
Yahweh came down off his cloud and warned Cain that he needed to rein in his anger and jealously before it caused him to sin, but didn't bother to take a few more minutes to go find righteous Abel and tell him, "Hey, Abel, your brother is really pissed at you, so watch your back when he's around. And whatever you do, DON'T go over into the field with him!"

With friends like God...well, you know the rest.:wink:

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/25/16 08:02 AM




I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.

You are correct about this discussion being off-topic. My bad.
As I don't want to derail the thread, all I will say is that the quotes that you mention do not constitute proof that Jesus was resurrected, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that, with the exception of the Testimonium Flavianum (Which is likely an interpolation, anyway.), none of them that I've seen actually mention a resurrection; just the execution!

As to the point of the thread...
Taking the Bible at face-value, here's something to think about:
Yahweh came down off his cloud and warned Cain that he needed to rein in his anger and jealously before it caused him to sin, but didn't bother to take a few more minutes to go find righteous Abel and tell him, "Hey, Abel, your brother is really pissed at you, so watch your back when he's around. And whatever you do, DON'T go over into the field with him!"

With friends like God...well, you know the rest.:wink:



all I will say is that the quotes that you mention do not constitute proof that Jesus was resurrected,



condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life

?? Proof is only as valuable as one person wishes for it to have. A gun with finger prints of the person on it doesn't "prove" he shot the other person, but is accepted as proof. Yes the example is off topic from the thread entirely, but was mentioned to make a point that is boils down to perspective. So what does the statement "restored to life" infer if not a resurrection?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 10/25/16 08:22 AM



I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.


evidence is one thing, proof is another...

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/25/16 08:44 AM




I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.


evidence is one thing, proof is another...


The difference is perspective and that's but an opinion on how one wishes too look at something. Outside of that, they are the same thing.

DavidM616's photo
Tue 10/25/16 12:00 PM





I agree with you, moe.
But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see.


there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it...


* Evidence from Tacitus

* Evidence from Pliny the Younger

* Evidence from Josephus
- About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared

* Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

* Evidence from Lucian

But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested.

You are correct about this discussion being off-topic. My bad.
As I don't want to derail the thread, all I will say is that the quotes that you mention do not constitute proof that Jesus was resurrected, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that, with the exception of the Testimonium Flavianum (Which is likely an interpolation, anyway.), none of them that I've seen actually mention a resurrection; just the execution!

As to the point of the thread...
Taking the Bible at face-value, here's something to think about:
Yahweh came down off his cloud and warned Cain that he needed to rein in his anger and jealously before it caused him to sin, but didn't bother to take a few more minutes to go find righteous Abel and tell him, "Hey, Abel, your brother is really pissed at you, so watch your back when he's around. And whatever you do, DON'T go over into the field with him!"

With friends like God...well, you know the rest.:wink:



all I will say is that the quotes that you mention do not constitute proof that Jesus was resurrected,



condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life

?? Proof is only as valuable as one person wishes for it to have. A gun with finger prints of the person on it doesn't "prove" he shot the other person, but is accepted as proof. Yes the example is off topic from the thread entirely, but was mentioned to make a point that is boils down to perspective. So what does the statement "restored to life" infer if not a resurrection?

As I said, of the examples you mentioned, only the TF refers to a RESURRECTION. And, there are good reasons to conclude that it is an interpolation.
However, as you also said, this discussion is off-topic, and that's my fault for bringing it up on this thread. Therefore, I won't comment any further on the topic here. If you wish to discuss it further, I'll start another thread about the many problems with the secular references you cited.

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Tue 10/25/16 12:03 PM
God still exists... And you still have to get over it.

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