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Topic: God is NOT a loving god.
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Tue 06/11/13 04:10 PM
I find it interesting how many good preachers as they age, for example Billy Graham, or those with good mentors, for example, Joel Olsteen; prefer to teach of love and even say non-Xians can get into Heaven.

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Tue 06/11/13 04:14 PM

I find it interesting how many good preachers as they age, for example Billy Graham, or those with good mentors, for example, Joel Olsteen; prefer to teach of love and even say non-Xians can get into Heaven.


It's all about love, that's all it's ever about. Even when speaking of the doom/gloom kinda area of the scriptures. Because no matter what happens, the choice of the offer was always there to the very last moment.

It's not about being a Christian or non-Christian. Those are just titles we humans have given one another to seclude, separate amongst, ect. God didn't create "Christians" God created people, man and woman.

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Wed 06/12/13 02:08 PM


And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. (Hebrews 11:6)

All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. ( 2 Timothy 3:16) NIV

God does exist and God is Love.

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Wed 06/12/13 02:29 PM
The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what

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Wed 06/12/13 03:02 PM

The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what


Read Joshua.

Slaughter without mercy.... men women and children.
In the name of God.

Yep, that sounds real loving ...indifferent frown

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Wed 06/12/13 04:24 PM
God created people, man and woman.
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Bingo we have a fundamentalist winner.
I ask:How do you know this
Cowboy replies:Cause it's in the bible(of course he'll copy and pastes the verse showing this from genesis).
I ask:How do you know the bible is correct?
Cowboy replies:Cause it's inspired by god.
I ask:How do you know this?

Start the conversation back at "cause it's in the bible".The circulatory conversation begins.

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Wed 06/12/13 05:12 PM

God created people, man and woman.
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Bingo we have a fundamentalist winner.
I ask:How do you know this
Cowboy replies:Cause it's in the bible(of course he'll copy and pastes the verse showing this from genesis).
I ask:How do you know the bible is correct?
Cowboy replies:Cause it's inspired by god.
I ask:How do you know this?

Start the conversation back at "cause it's in the bible".The circulatory conversation begins.




Eventually it will boil down to "Because I have faith."

My question would be: Faith in who?

Then the discussion about who really wrote the Bible begins.


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Wed 06/12/13 05:57 PM

The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what




:banana: :banana: WINNER

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Wed 06/12/13 06:06 PM


The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what




:banana: :banana: WINNER


:banana: :banana:

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Wed 06/12/13 06:46 PM



And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. (Hebrews 11:6)

All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. ( 2 Timothy 3:16) NIV

God does exist and God is Love.


Either god is a dumbass, or he does not have the ability to read our minds, that or his extreme arrogance clouds his judgment of us.
People all think differently based on their life's experiences, how can he judge us one way or the other based on a simple one size fits all judgment format? Any psychologist could explain this concept quite easily but apparently it's beyond the mind of a god? You know why? Because the books that made up the bible were written long before people knew what they did in this day and age regarding psychology, that in itself is proof that man wrote the bible and god had no part in it. But I'm sure I'll get a one size fits all answer for this as well, "god is all powerful, he needs not understand the minds of men any more than (most) humans wish to understand the mind of an ant." But really, if "god" cared that little for us and thought that little of us, would he create a kingdom of heaven for us? Seriously, could people stop putting "god" on a pedestal long enough to actually think with their minds and use some logic??



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Wed 06/12/13 06:56 PM


The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what


Read Joshua.

Slaughter without mercy.... men women and children.
In the name of God.

Yep, that sounds real loving ...indifferent frown
may I lead you to this: as you have claimed God is unjust. Romans 3:5-8 If our unrighteousness brings out Gods righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust to bring his wrath on us? Man has law courts to condemn men who break the law so how much more shall God bring wrath upon those who reject him whose justice is this: Romans 5:8-11 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from Gods wrath through him! For if, when we were Gods enemie. We were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled shall we be saved through his life!

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Wed 06/12/13 08:42 PM



The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what


Read Joshua.

Slaughter without mercy.... men women and children.
In the name of God.

Yep, that sounds real loving ...indifferent frown
may I lead you to this: as you have claimed God is unjust. Romans 3:5-8 If our unrighteousness brings out Gods righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust to bring his wrath on us? Man has law courts to condemn men who break the law so how much more shall God bring wrath upon those who reject him whose justice is this: Romans 5:8-11 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from Gods wrath through him! For if, when we were Gods enemie. We were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled shall we be saved through his life!


There is no such thing as "God's wrath." There is only the law of causation.

Read Joshua again.

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Wed 06/12/13 08:47 PM
Of course Joshua (the book) is pure fiction. Although I'm sure there have been many wars in the past done in the name of some God where a land was conquered, men and women killed, plundered, raped and robbed.

But don't ever dare tell me that God ordered it, and don't preach to me that this same "God" spoke to someone and enlisted men to do his killing for him. And don't tell me that this is 'The wrath of God' or that the people slaughtered were "evil." If you dare to tell me these things I will surmise that you are insane to believe such fiction, and more insane to preach it.


CowboyGH's photo
Thu 06/13/13 09:10 AM

God created people, man and woman.
-----------------------------------------------------
Bingo we have a fundamentalist winner.
I ask:How do you know this
Cowboy replies:Cause it's in the bible(of course he'll copy and pastes the verse showing this from genesis).
I ask:How do you know the bible is correct?
Cowboy replies:Cause it's inspired by god.
I ask:How do you know this?

Start the conversation back at "cause it's in the bible".The circulatory conversation begins.



What are you talking about? I have never once says "cause it's in the bible".

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 06/13/13 09:15 AM


The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what


Read Joshua.

Slaughter without mercy.... men women and children.
In the name of God.

Yep, that sounds real loving ...indifferent frown


God is also our judge.

And in your reference to the book of "Joshua", that is old testament/old covenant. In that covenant, we were judged by our fellow beings of this Earth. We were judged by the Word, but since the Word had not taken a physical form yet, the Word did not carry out the judgement, we did.

So also what you're saying, it would be more of a loving God if he just allowed us to roam around doing whatever we wished to do without any form of consequence? People should be allowed to cheat, lie, murder, rape, ect without any form of repercussion?

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Thu 06/13/13 09:18 AM




And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. (Hebrews 11:6)

All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. ( 2 Timothy 3:16) NIV

God does exist and God is Love.


Either god is a dumbass, or he does not have the ability to read our minds, that or his extreme arrogance clouds his judgment of us.
People all think differently based on their life's experiences, how can he judge us one way or the other based on a simple one size fits all judgment format? Any psychologist could explain this concept quite easily but apparently it's beyond the mind of a god? You know why? Because the books that made up the bible were written long before people knew what they did in this day and age regarding psychology, that in itself is proof that man wrote the bible and god had no part in it. But I'm sure I'll get a one size fits all answer for this as well, "god is all powerful, he needs not understand the minds of men any more than (most) humans wish to understand the mind of an ant." But really, if "god" cared that little for us and thought that little of us, would he create a kingdom of heaven for us? Seriously, could people stop putting "god" on a pedestal long enough to actually think with their minds and use some logic??



Response:

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. (Hebrews 11:6)


CowboyGH's photo
Thu 06/13/13 09:21 AM




And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. (Hebrews 11:6)

All Scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. ( 2 Timothy 3:16) NIV

God does exist and God is Love.


Either god is a dumbass, or he does not have the ability to read our minds, that or his extreme arrogance clouds his judgment of us.
People all think differently based on their life's experiences, how can he judge us one way or the other based on a simple one size fits all judgment format? Any psychologist could explain this concept quite easily but apparently it's beyond the mind of a god? You know why? Because the books that made up the bible were written long before people knew what they did in this day and age regarding psychology, that in itself is proof that man wrote the bible and god had no part in it. But I'm sure I'll get a one size fits all answer for this as well, "god is all powerful, he needs not understand the minds of men any more than (most) humans wish to understand the mind of an ant." But really, if "god" cared that little for us and thought that little of us, would he create a kingdom of heaven for us? Seriously, could people stop putting "god" on a pedestal long enough to actually think with their minds and use some logic??





would he create a kingdom of heaven for us?


Why would God created a kingdom of Heaven for "US"? lol Heaven is for God, and he has opened the door for us to enter into his kingdom if we wish. If one doesn't wish to enter into the kingdom they will not do as he has instructed and if they do wish, then they will do as he has said, simple as that lol.

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Thu 06/13/13 09:45 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Thu 06/13/13 09:46 AM


The Bible I read shows me God is a loving God. Don't know what all the boohooey is about.what


Read Joshua.

Slaughter without mercy.... men women and children.
In the name of God.

Yep, that sounds real loving ...indifferent frown


Ive read Joshua! God is Good!!

Joshua leads a successful military campaign to clear idol-worshipping people from the land.

Joshua shows over and over how God blesses His people. The Promised Land was His gift to them, as were the military victories that he engineered.

Joshua said: "Choose you this day whom ye will serve..as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." (Joshua 24:15)

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Thu 06/13/13 10:44 AM
I never met god so ill refrain from speaking about if he or she or it exists. But I do know one thing, man is a god, and man is a devil.

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Thu 06/13/13 01:35 PM

I never met god so ill refrain from speaking about if he or she or it exists. But I do know one thing, man is a god, and man is a devil.
wise man. :wink: smokin Ecclesiastes 5:1-3 But I will say this one thing. God has made himself known to his creation that is certain but they did not recognize him at his coming. surprised

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