not to be uncharacteristally dismissive, but after a while . honestly, I feel like its a debate with children constantly wanting to know 'why' and why they suffer consequence, and why they cant just do what they want, and why didnt you do even more for them or give even more to them,,,

it rings of 'never satisfied' syndrome for which I have not yet found a cure except to move on to another topic ,,,,,
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Msharmony it really isn't about why,i'm messing with you.I do know a little bit about the bible i just ask "why" a lot to see how theologically apologetic you'll be.
I'm killing time....wait does that make me the "time god"?....lol

I see

Im only apologetic when I sense others are harmed,,,

otherwise, I Tend to answer people to the best of my ability

Unbelievers like you come on to press thier beliefs on people who just want to discuss their belief. I see all the time on here where you are not speaking of the viable convictions of believers whether right or wrong but do just as you have said. You just want to see how much and if possible you can "cause confusion" that is a sign of an Anti- Messiah.. We are told not to have anything to do with you for the very reason you have exposed yourself. MS Harmony was very patient with you and I applaud her for this very patience that she has tried to show you is the very essence of the scriptures.. I am glad you have showed what your true reason on this thread is. Because its very easy to see you know nothing about the Hebrew scriptures.

How can an "unbeliever" press their beliefs if they have no beliefs? (being an "unbeliever)

This entire thread was started by a so-called "unbeliever." (Which I am assuming is what you call a person who does not believe in your particular concept of God.)



Religion causes confusion. Most religious people can't even agree on the simplest things.

Why would he want to "cause confusion?" You are apparently already pretty confused from his perspective.

Anti-Messiah? Is that someone who does not buy the story that some god like entity is coming to save us all from hell?

you chose to accept a faith in mythology that has consequences.How dare you pawn your beliefs on me.I gave a history lesson about your "I AM" god you chose to believe in.
Do not ever blame me about your inner child feelings on a man made god.Just because you chose to believe in a god that punishes those who worship it.
You need to believe in yourself cause whatever you choose to do is on you,not your imaginary deity.

the 'desert dwellers' agree

Romans 14:12
“So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.” (KJV

CHristians should understand well the concept of self accountability,,,,

Accountability to others. You still have not defined what "God" is.

I have defined it,, others just arent necessarily agreed

My creator, the ONE who created life,, is MY GOD

and whatever I do,, I hold myself accountable knowing that this life will have its consequences , and the life after,,,

How then, did this entity create you? And where does this entity live? What does he/it look like?

Define and describe your creator please. What is his/her/it's name?

You cannot be accountable to something or someone if you do not know what or where or who it is.

how does the wind exist? where does the wind live? what does the wind look like?


I have not seen him in any physical form, I see him in his creations,

He does not have to 'live' anywhere, as he is not in a mortal form

HE can be any where and everywhere

IF I knew how to create human life, I would be God,, and I am not,,
my definition of my creator does not have to have a physical attribute,, I have defined him as specifically as I Can

HE who created life,,,,

Short side note: msharmony, you double posted on page 11, could you please delete one of the posts, thx.

"not to be uncharacteristally dismissive, but after a while . honestly, I feel like its a debate with children constantly wanting to know 'why' and why they suffer consequence, and why they cant just do what they want, and why didnt you do even more for them or give even more to them,,,

it rings of 'never satisfied' syndrome for which I have not yet found a cure except to move on to another topic ,,,,"


Nono, not at all, it's very characteristic for religious people to get dismissive when their beliefs are picked at and they're unable to give specific answers, not because they don't want to but because they don't have those answers to give.

Let me tell you one thing, if children didn't ask "why, why, why?" then they'd never learn and grow, the true intellectuals don't stop asking "why?" simply because they're adults. The world alone(never-mind the universe) is far too vast to simply leave your "why's" at the door when you hit adulthood. Unless of course you're into religion, because then you can forget about all the why this and why that and simply say "god did it!" to every question that comes your way. Course if everybody took that path we'd still be in the dark ages and living in stone huts with straw roofs.

You deem us "children" for asking "why?" but I'd consider you more the child for not asking "why?" for you only limit the potential of your own intelligence when you stop seeking the answers.

I posted for ten straight pages answering the questions posed,, I dont consider that dismissive at all


there is no obligation to continue answering each and every new SUBTEXT brought up,,,, thats not 'religious people' thats just me,,,

and, as a parent, let me add that the point is not about children merely asking 'why',, but why WHAT

children ask
'why cant I do what I want',,'Why do I have to be punished' 'Why cant I have that extra cake' 'Why cant we go to the MOVIE AND GET DESSERT'

thats the 'never satisfied' I spoke of,, its not about genuine questioning for the sake of gaining knowledge, its about the self indulgent questioning for the sake of whinging about what we didnt get,,,

I genuinely suggest that anyone who is GENUINELY interested in answers to all verses of all the sixty six books of the bible consult a bible study class and not expect anyone in a social forum to be their personal instructor,,,

Shalom JB.

We have known each other on here to know how each other believes.. I have np with you at all.. you show respect from what I have seen.

Anti- Messiah is someone who bashes your belief in him. Not just not believe. Thiers a Big difference.. Blessings JB

Is it plausable to accept an unknown being?No it isn't cause gods of all faiths have no merit of existence.
Telescopes haven't found these wizards of first cause so why isn't gauge bosons,photons and gluons which hold protons and neutrons together are accepted?Cause Bill Nye the science guy went to Texas that's full of jesus freaks and told the truth about the moon.
As a particle physicist i wonder about these things?

bottom line is, truth will be truth rather one 'accepts' it or not

some can hang their world on the tunnelvision view that if science hasnt 'discovered' or 'proven' it, ,it doesnt exist

others may not


,,thats a personal choice,,,

its as plausible as ones personal knowledge and experience deems it to be,,,

Even that is gonna be biased though......how are you supposed to have an intelligent debate on something if you can't find the thing you are debating to be wrong or in error? That doesn't work. A true debate means you take the answers any way they lead even if YOU are wrong.....it's not just denying it away till it fits your side. In doing that you limit your thinking to that thing, rather than opening your mind to new ideas beyond that.

And just because people don't agree with Biblical interpretations of what they ask, doesn't mean they aren't genuinely interested in the answers, that's an ad-hominem attack. It just means they aren't SATISFIED with the answers given and believe there is more to it than that. There's a difference.

EVERYTHING has bias,, no escaping it

as much a part of life as death

our reality, our truth, our knowledge all result from our individual/unique experiences,,,



but even BIAS can contain the truth,,,,



arent you BIASED against religion? so therefore , by the above logic, you are already deemed to not be able to have an unbiased or intelligent debate on the matter

whomever you speak with,,,

and I agree, when people repeatedly ask follow up questions to questions asked and answered(pages worth),, NOT SATISFIED is exactly what they are and what they will most likely remain for pages to come,,,,,Im just not interested in expending my energy once I come to the conclusion that no answer will be good enough,,,,

Bullcrap, there's a REASON I don't accept the religious way of thinking, it's because it MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE! I can say that fully WITHOUT bias. If it made sense I would believe it, but it doesn't, so I reject it.

You though cannot do that or won't allow yourself to, you refuse to consider the idea that maybe just MAYBE you have it wrong. I would gladly admit if I had it wrong, but you and others like you struggle to do it. You are more biased toward your religion than we are against it. Again, another ad-hominem there.

And bias can contain truth I agree, there is truth in everything, but doesn't mean ALL of it is.

and theres a REASON I dont accept being drilled for pages about every subtext imaginable,,,

try not to take it so personal

the theory was introduced that somehow 'bias' makes intelligent conversation not possible, I was applying that theory here,, and apparently,, fairly successfully judging by the previous response,,,

and young man, please do not assume that there is not a 'REASON' in everyones mind behind their 'biases', this really has no relevence to the point of this thread,,,,

because it doesnt make sense to you doesnt mean it cant make sense to me,, I have lived many more years and my experiences are my own unique ones , so my 'understanding' of what makes sense is obviously different than yours,,,

seems to me , that noone here has yet to say they are 'wrong', so Im not sure why that allegation should be such an outward accusation and not also a self reflection

me and others like me,, seems to include you,,,