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Topic: Religion is Child Abuse?
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Sun 04/15/12 10:23 AM









It's only delusional from your perspective because you lack the faith it happened. It's your opinion that it's delusional, not a fact.


Cowboy..it's a fact that as of now people that been dead and buried for three days do not rise up on their own power out of the grave....

do you know any dead people this has happen to that exist beyond a character in a book?


None yet, Christ has not come back. Only Jesus can defeat death for anyone. No one else is great, strong enough, or perfect enough to do such a thing.


so the answer is no, that you don't know any dead people that rose from the grave that exist beyond a character in a book .....that's why you might be delusional....you should get that checked out


Again, because the second coming hasn't happened yet. lol you and your belittling makes me giggle.


if he haven't come back in over two thousands years...perhaps you should use that as a clue



two thousand years is not that long at all.


let's test that by you holding your breath for 2,000 seconds


Again the two have absolutely nothing to do with one another and again reason to keep things in context. Yes holding your breath for that long would be a long time "to hold your breath". But we were not talking about holding your breath.

Heck just look at science claiming the world has been here for many of million of years. So if this was true, again 2,000 years of those millions would not be long at all.


Cowboy...we were talking about how long it takes you to get a clue...if you believe that it might take you a million years to get a clue then you might have a short term memory lost disorder

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Sun 04/15/12 10:26 AM



Nope not saying not.

You keep editing my posts, I will do the same to yours.


the question asked you to pick one...either "know" or "believe"...you picked "believe"

which mean you don't know that you exist .....

that's points to delusion




What do you know Funches? Do you not know what you believe? Or believe what you know? Or are you going to tell me you can know something, but not believe it's true. If you know it, how then would you not believe it's true? And if you believe something is true, how then do you not know it?


Cowboy...I've asked you a simple question about your existence...you were the one that supplied the answer "believe"

those that do not "know" that they exist....are generally brain dead or delusional

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Sun 04/15/12 10:27 AM










It's only delusional from your perspective because you lack the faith it happened. It's your opinion that it's delusional, not a fact.


Cowboy..it's a fact that as of now people that been dead and buried for three days do not rise up on their own power out of the grave....

do you know any dead people this has happen to that exist beyond a character in a book?


None yet, Christ has not come back. Only Jesus can defeat death for anyone. No one else is great, strong enough, or perfect enough to do such a thing.


so the answer is no, that you don't know any dead people that rose from the grave that exist beyond a character in a book .....that's why you might be delusional....you should get that checked out


Again, because the second coming hasn't happened yet. lol you and your belittling makes me giggle.


if he haven't come back in over two thousands years...perhaps you should use that as a clue



two thousand years is not that long at all.


let's test that by you holding your breath for 2,000 seconds


Again the two have absolutely nothing to do with one another and again reason to keep things in context. Yes holding your breath for that long would be a long time "to hold your breath". But we were not talking about holding your breath.

Heck just look at science claiming the world has been here for many of million of years. So if this was true, again 2,000 years of those millions would not be long at all.


Cowboy...we were talking about how long it takes you to get a clue...if you believe that it might take you a million years to get a clue then you might have a short term memory lost disorder


I think you have taken this thread way out into left field speaking of nonesense. So until it returns to even just speaking of religious beliefs in general, I will no longer discuss in this thread.

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Sun 04/15/12 10:28 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 04/15/12 10:30 AM




Nope not saying not.

You keep editing my posts, I will do the same to yours.


the question asked you to pick one...either "know" or "believe"...you picked "believe"

which mean you don't know that you exist .....

that's points to delusion




What do you know Funches? Do you not know what you believe? Or believe what you know? Or are you going to tell me you can know something, but not believe it's true. If you know it, how then would you not believe it's true? And if you believe something is true, how then do you not know it?


Cowboy...I've asked you a simple question about your existence...you were the one that supplied the answer "believe"

those that do not "know" that they exist....are generally brain dead or delusional


No, because there is no difference between knowing and believing. If you believe something, you know something. If you know something, you believe something. But I am done with this, for just like the other thread, this has left the purpose of these discussions on "religion".

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Side note from editing, did not realize this was the same thread i previously said no further discussion will go on. Thought it was said in a different thread.

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Sun 04/15/12 10:43 AM

No, because there is no difference between knowing and believing. If you believe something, you know something. If you know something, you believe something. But I am done with this, for just like the other thread, this has left the purpose of these discussions on "religion".


Cowboy...I've included the term "believe" into the question which mean it is about religion ...unless of course now you want to argue that belief has nothing to do with religion ...

you had the choice to pick whether you "believe" that you exist or "know" that you exist...

you claim that you "believe" that you exist...which mean that you don't '"know" if you do exist ....and that's delusional

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Sun 04/15/12 10:47 AM

Side note from editing, did not realize this was the same thread i previously said no further discussion will go on. Thought it was said in a different thread.


the question was presented to MsHarmony....but you thought you were smart enough to outwit it..but the jokes on you...so it's ok if you run away ....


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Sun 04/15/12 10:49 AM


No, because there is no difference between knowing and believing. If you believe something, you know something. If you know something, you believe something. But I am done with this, for just like the other thread, this has left the purpose of these discussions on "religion".


Cowboy...I've included the term "believe" into the question which mean it is about religion ...unless of course now you want to argue that belief has nothing to do with religion ...

you had the choice to pick whether you "believe" that you exist or "know" that you exist...

you claim that you "believe" that you exist...which mean that you don't '"know" if you do exist ....and that's delusional


"Believe" does not constitute it into religion. You only "believe" Abraham Lincoln was a president, you only "believe" ANYTHING from history. You could not POSSIBLY "know" anything from history, you only believe what you have been told.

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Sun 04/15/12 10:51 AM


Side note from editing, did not realize this was the same thread i previously said no further discussion will go on. Thought it was said in a different thread.


the question was presented to MsHarmony....but you thought you were smart enough to outwit it..but the jokes on you...so it's ok if you run away ....




Changed my mind, have nothing better to do so early on a Sunday then sit here for now.

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Sun 04/15/12 10:54 AM



Side note from editing, did not realize this was the same thread i previously said no further discussion will go on. Thought it was said in a different thread.


the question was presented to MsHarmony....but you thought you were smart enough to outwit it..but the jokes on you...so it's ok if you run away ....




Changed my mind, have nothing better to do so early on a Sunday then sit here for now.


you can pray to God, you can go to church, you can do "Works", you can watch "Jesus Christ Superstar", you can cut the horns off your forehead ...lots of things to do

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Sun 04/15/12 10:58 AM




Side note from editing, did not realize this was the same thread i previously said no further discussion will go on. Thought it was said in a different thread.


the question was presented to MsHarmony....but you thought you were smart enough to outwit it..but the jokes on you...so it's ok if you run away ....




Changed my mind, have nothing better to do so early on a Sunday then sit here for now.


you can pray to God, you can go to church, you can do "Works", you can watch "Jesus Christ Superstar", you can cut the horns off your forehead ...lots of things to do


????

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Sun 04/15/12 11:29 AM




explain something you KNOW but dont believe,,,,


the question is about your existence MsHarmony ....so let's try again

do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?





both


MsHarmony...you were asked to pick either "Know" or "Believe" to answer the question...and this was specifically told to you ....or perhaps you became confused

so let's try again for the Trinity time.....oops... I meant let's try again for the third time

MsHarmony...do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?









pointless question that

no answer can be bullied into existence

may as well ask me if im 'black' or 'african american'


when I am, personally, both


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Sun 04/15/12 12:11 PM





explain something you KNOW but dont believe,,,,


the question is about your existence MsHarmony ....so let's try again

do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?





both


MsHarmony...you were asked to pick either "Know" or "Believe" to answer the question...and this was specifically told to you ....or perhaps you became confused

so let's try again for the Trinity time.....oops... I meant let's try again for the third time

MsHarmony...do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?









pointless question that

no answer can be bullied into existence

may as well ask me if im 'black' or 'african american'


when I am, personally, both




Exactly, very good point. This is the same as "knowing" and "believing".

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Sun 04/15/12 02:25 PM
Back on topic...

is Religion child abuse?

...only when it is done right.

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Sun 04/15/12 03:51 PM





explain something you KNOW but dont believe,,,,


the question is about your existence MsHarmony ....so let's try again

do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?





both


MsHarmony...you were asked to pick either "Know" or "Believe" to answer the question...and this was specifically told to you ....or perhaps you became confused

so let's try again for the Trinity time.....oops... I meant let's try again for the third time

MsHarmony...do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?









pointless question that

no answer can be bullied into existence

may as well ask me if im 'black' or 'african american'


when I am, personally, both




then I would have asked...if you "know" that you exist as an africian american or if you "believe" that you exist as an africian american....

it still would have only required you to pick one ..either "know" or "believe"


but I asked you about your existence...not what you exist as in that existence.....all you had to do was pick one ......

the religious tend to run from that question like Dracula runs from a cross

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Sun 04/15/12 04:13 PM

Exactly, very good point. This is the same as "knowing" and "believing".


Cowboy...you already pick "believe"... which means you don't "know" if you exist ......imagine..needing Faith to believe that you exist


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Sun 04/15/12 04:21 PM






explain something you KNOW but dont believe,,,,


the question is about your existence MsHarmony ....so let's try again

do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?





both


MsHarmony...you were asked to pick either "Know" or "Believe" to answer the question...and this was specifically told to you ....or perhaps you became confused

so let's try again for the Trinity time.....oops... I meant let's try again for the third time

MsHarmony...do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?









pointless question that

no answer can be bullied into existence

may as well ask me if im 'black' or 'african american'


when I am, personally, both




then I would have asked...if you "know" that you exist as an africian american or if you "believe" that you exist as an africian american....

it still would have only required you to pick one ..either "know" or "believe"


but I asked you about your existence...not what you exist as in that existence.....all you had to do was pick one ......

the religious tend to run from that question like Dracula runs from a cross



noone is running by not giving the answer you try to demand of them,,

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Sun 04/15/12 07:19 PM


Exactly, very good point. This is the same as "knowing" and "believing".


Cowboy...you already pick "believe"... which means you don't "know" if you exist ......imagine..needing Faith to believe that you exist




I'll say it one more time, knowing and believing is the exact same thing on something that didn't directly involve you. REGARDLESS of any evidence or anything.

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Sun 04/15/12 08:36 PM
Funches...

Knowing and believing...

I know I exist.

I beleive you exist (you keep showing up in the reality I know).

Msharmony had the right of it.

BOTH.

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Sun 04/15/12 08:51 PM

Funches...

Knowing and believing...

I know I exist.

I beleive you exist (you keep showing up in the reality I know).

Msharmony had the right of it.

BOTH.


Exactly.

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Mon 04/16/12 05:09 AM







explain something you KNOW but dont believe,,,,


the question is about your existence MsHarmony ....so let's try again

do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?





both


MsHarmony...you were asked to pick either "Know" or "Believe" to answer the question...and this was specifically told to you ....or perhaps you became confused

so let's try again for the Trinity time.....oops... I meant let's try again for the third time

MsHarmony...do you "know" that you yourself exist or do you "believe" that you yourself exist?









pointless question that

no answer can be bullied into existence

may as well ask me if im 'black' or 'african american'


when I am, personally, both




then I would have asked...if you "know" that you exist as an africian american or if you "believe" that you exist as an africian american....

it still would have only required you to pick one ..either "know" or "believe"


but I asked you about your existence...not what you exist as in that existence.....all you had to do was pick one ......

the religious tend to run from that question like Dracula runs from a cross



noone is running by not giving the answer you try to demand of them,,


MsHarmony....when the religious get scare to answer a question....they are not suppose to moan and whine about the question...they are suppose to hide behind Faith

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