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Topic: Religion is Child Abuse?
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 04/09/12 08:06 AM
I think the term 'abuse' is being highly abused in this thread,,,lol

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Mon 04/09/12 08:10 AM
This thread is about abuse, so if i havent abused the word abuse yet, i will keep on abusing it until it it well and truly abused!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 04/09/12 08:13 AM
how abusive,,,

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Mon 04/09/12 11:44 PM
I was hoping that more people were going to come forward to argue how religion doesnt abuse kids. Maybe people know deep down that it does?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 04/09/12 11:44 PM Edited by msharmony on Mon 04/09/12 11:45 PM
I was hoping that more people were going to come forward to argue how religion doesnt abuse kids. Maybe people know deep down that it does? or maybe its just too ridiculous for most others to address and six pages is really fairly long for such a topic I dont know if I posted 'hoodies kill children',, if it would last six pages,,,

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Tue 04/10/12 12:08 AM
I was hoping that more people were going to come forward to argue how religion doesnt abuse kids. Maybe people know deep down that it does? or maybe its just too ridiculous for most others to address and six pages is really fairly long for such a topic I dont know if I posted 'hoodies kill children',, if it would last six pages,,, When kids are without question being raised to martyr themselves by blowing themselves up and killing others, you cannot disagree that religion abuses children. This is of course a more obvious way it happens. I believe it happens in many less obvious ways too. If there were only a remote possibility that kids are being abused, in any kind of way, then it is only proper to talk through the subject properly, no? It is ridiculous not to discuss the subject. And it is ridiculous to say that 'hoodies kill children' is a comparable subject. People unwilling to talk about this subject, even if i turned out to be completely wrong, are basically condoning the abuse of kids, because it is undeniable that there are questions that need to be asked.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/10/12 12:11 AM
I was hoping that more people were going to come forward to argue how religion doesnt abuse kids. Maybe people know deep down that it does? or maybe its just too ridiculous for most others to address and six pages is really fairly long for such a topic I dont know if I posted 'hoodies kill children',, if it would last six pages,,, When kids are without question being raised to martyr themselves by blowing themselves up and killing others, you cannot disagree that religion abuses children. This is of course a more obvious way it happens. I believe it happens in many less obvious ways too. If there were only a remote possibility that kids are being abused, in any kind of way, then it is only proper to talk through the subject properly, no? It is ridiculous not to discuss the subject. And it is ridiculous to say that 'hoodies kill children' is a comparable subject. People unwilling to talk about this subject, even if i turned out to be completely wrong, are basically condoning the abuse of kids, because it is undeniable that there are questions that need to be asked. so now, disinterest in pointless and baseless conversations is 'condoning' abuse? wow,,, the leap to blame abuse on a philosophy as diverse as 'religion' or items of clothing, is just too ridiculous a stretch for many to consider that doesnt mean they 'condone' actual abuse,,

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Tue 04/10/12 12:21 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/10/12 12:26 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,,

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Tue 04/10/12 12:38 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/10/12 12:44 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Tue 04/10/12 12:51 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation A correlation proves its worth talking about though. I know my arguments are flawed, im not the sharpest tool in the box. This should only help those that disagree with me. It is very possible to prove me wrong in many things, and i am also willing to be proved wrong. Whether or not i am wrong on this subject, it is right to talk about it, and wrong to dismiss it. Very wrong.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/10/12 12:56 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation A correlation proves its worth talking about though. I know my arguments are flawed, im not the sharpest tool in the box. This should only help those that disagree with me. It is very possible to prove me wrong in many things, and i am also willing to be proved wrong. Whether or not i am wrong on this subject, it is right to talk about it, and wrong to dismiss it. Very wrong.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/10/12 12:56 AM Edited by msharmony on Tue 04/10/12 12:56 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation A correlation proves its worth talking about though. I know my arguments are flawed, im not the sharpest tool in the box. This should only help those that disagree with me. It is very possible to prove me wrong in many things, and i am also willing to be proved wrong. Whether or not i am wrong on this subject, it is right to talk about it, and wrong to dismiss it. Very wrong. how many comments should be made for it to not be 'dismissed' if there just isnt much else to say about it,,,what then?

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Tue 04/10/12 01:05 AM
Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation A correlation proves its worth talking about though. I know my arguments are flawed, im not the sharpest tool in the box. This should only help those that disagree with me. It is very possible to prove me wrong in many things, and i am also willing to be proved wrong. Whether or not i am wrong on this subject, it is right to talk about it, and wrong to dismiss it. Very wrong. how many comments should be made for it to not be 'dismissed' if there just isnt much else to say about it,,,what then? You kept disagreeing and i kept replying because i disagree with you. I agree we have covered this point enough as long as you agree that i am right! lol There is a lot more to say about it. You are more than intelligent enough to know we have barely even touched the surface of the discussion. I will kick the subject off in another direction at some point, if nobody else does. If people choose to ignore it, it is up to them, as it is up to me what i think of them for doing so.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/10/12 01:12 AM
what else is there to cover? people have outlooks and perceptions which lead to philosophy... philosophy can encourage unhealthy behaviors and foster abuse depending upon how extreme religion covers a WIDE span of beliefs that can range from loving your neighbor to an eye for an eye patriotism covers a wide span of beliefs that can range form loving your country, to killing to protect the constitution,,,, but I would not stretch that to say patriotism is abuse,,,,its more about the person and how they teach any philosophy to others ,,whether the philosophy is religious or wordly in its nature,,,

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Tue 04/10/12 01:49 AM
There is a lot more to cover, and you raise some valid points of discssion. Another time, as i dont have enough right now. Watch out for those abused kiddies in the mean time.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/10/12 07:06 AM
There is a lot more to cover, and you raise some valid points of discssion. Another time, as i dont have enough right now. Watch out for those abused kiddies in the mean time. just like I watch out for guns in the hands of cowards or bullies,,,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 04/14/12 06:18 AM
I was hoping that more people were going to come forward to argue how religion doesnt abuse kids. Maybe people know deep down that it does? or maybe its just too ridiculous for most others to address and six pages is really fairly long for such a topic I dont know if I posted 'hoodies kill children',, if it would last six pages,,, add Travon Martin into the equation and I'm pretty sure how "hoodies kill children" would span far beyond 6 pages

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 04/14/12 06:35 AM
I will kick the subject off in another direction at some point, if nobody else does. If people choose to ignore it, it is up to them, as it is up to me what i think of them for doing so. to speak that religion abuse children is not in the best interest of those that are religious .....religion can be looked upon as being a haven for the abused or mentally disturbed ...religion provides an unique way for them to blend into society and go practically unnoticed FOR EXAMPLE if someone claim that they saw an alien ....people will think they are mentally disturbed or hallucinating but if someone claim that they saw an Angel or walked with Jesus then it's acceptable even through an Angel is actually an "alien" and Jesus is dead because religion is an acceptable delusion is why some people go undiagnosed and don't receive the help they need ...