AdventureBegins...the question was constructed to include no other existence but the one that dared to answer the question

which is why your attempt to use parables to include my existence is an attempt to deceive ....

the fact that the religious are not willing to answer the truth about their own existence is why they can't be trusted to tell the truth about a so call God existence and an example of why religion is abuse...and abuse to children...because it teaches them how to find ways to lie to others and to themselves

Cowboy...of course you would agree...you generally give three different totally opposite answers to the same question

Cowboy 1...always lie and preach false gospel
Cowboy 2...find bible passages to contradict Cowboy 1 false gospel
Cowboy 3....Contradicts both Cowboy 1 and Cowboy 2


the first documented case of "Trinity Syndrome"

oops..I forget the movie "The Three Faces of Eve"

perhaps trying to force ones personal definitions upon others is equally 'abusive'?

perhaps refusing to answer how someone can know something without first BELIEVING It,, is running away from the 'truth'....

So in islam telling a kid to hate Jews and anyone affiliated with them isn't child abuse?

In Judaism telling a kid that if they marry outside their religion they are considered dead isn't child abuse?


In christianity telling a kid if they don't accept a bible character they have never seen or met as their lord and savior they are going to hell isn't child abuse?

Three faces of Eve? Whaaaaaaat?

Yes I may make mistakes from time to time, but they do not go unrepaired by someone else or myself going back and correcting them. And when I go back and correct them, you totally ignore the corrected post and keep on going with the false thing I mistakenly posted.

Why so much with the badgering of people in this forum? Why you make it so personal?

you are equating what people choose to tell their children with religion

indeed teaching kids to hate is abusive
teaching them they will be disowned for not displaying bigotry is abusive
teaching them (As children) they will 'go to hell' is abusive


the former two arent necessarily religious doctrines and are not exclusive to religion

the latter, is a matter of developmental stages and appropriate subject matters


it would be like telling a child if they broke the rules they would go to jail

which would be true, once they bcome an adult, but is too simplistic and misleading a statement on its own, and terrifying, to relate to a child

Hell is not for man, man will not go to hell. Hell is a holding place for Satan. Thus hell is destroyed in the end of times. Hell is not eternal.

To understand what the scriptures is saying one must research things. Because of the scriptures being a translation, some words are not totally accurate in their translations. "Hell" is not translated from the same word when translated from Greek or whatever to English. Just some english versions use the word "hell". Nobody will EVER go to hell eg., the place where Satan is held captive right now.

The word HELL was used for the Hebrew word SHEOL and the Greek words HADES, GEENNA and TARTAROO in the KJV

The words HELL, GRAVE and PIT were all used for the same Hebrew word SHEOL in the KJV

Many English bibles do not consistantly use the word HELL in the same verses

Many of the English bibles created this century do not contain the word HELL in the Old Testament

The Hebrew word SHEOL was translated as the Greek word HADES by Luke in the book of Acts

The Hebrew word SHEOL was translated as the Greek word HADES by the Septuagint translators

The Greek word GEENNA was used to describe a physical place by the Septuagint translators

In verse 1Co 15:22 the word GRAVE was used for the Greek word HADES in the KJV

The later manuscripts that the KJV was translated from have different spellings for the Greek word HADES in Acts 2:27 and Acts 2:31 then earlier manuscripts do

The later manuscripts that the KJV was translated from use the Greek word HADES in 1Cor 15:55 while earlier manuscripts do not

if i point out that your posts are constantly contradicting your own posts and you admit that they do....then consider it as being enlightenment

What are you talking about Funches? And again why the personal attacking again and still? Yes there have been problems with what I have said in the PAST. But I have learned from then and do not spread the same things, nor has their been a "contradiction" in a while. Only in your head funches, only in your head.

And please stay on topic Funches. This thread had finally left your personal insulting of a discusser on here and started to get back into Religious discussions. Please leave the insults at home when you come here and have a civil discussion about the topics at hand.

I know I have failed at this in the past, but from today forth if your commments are not responding to the discussion of the thread at hand, you will be ignored. No longer will the discussions get taken out way into left field.

Cowboy that question was addressed to MsHarmony...it was about her own personal view pertaining to her existence

the question was of a personal one...not for you...it was for MsHarmony...but yet for some odd reason you thought yourself wise and jumped in to give your two cents and your "personal" view and now when it didn't work out for you now you want to whine about it being personal...

Funches,
When adressing someone specific it is said as this message is said, with the peron's name being spoken to prior to the message, or the message is addressed to the forum in general and not directly at a specific person.

meh..christianity and judaism here in America has changed so much that over half the crap that was considered an abomination isn't anymore and things that were unacceptable back then now are acceptable and blah,blah,blah Gods word is like a convenience it's only preached by others when needed but yet not abided by.

billions of religious upon the earth, and Im sure there are many more than one 'common' perceptions of religious right or wrong,,

thanks for providing another reason why you should grow a pair and not whine about it

Funches... Your attempt to stat my facts as if they were a parable is a false reasoning.

a parable would have been a story.

Fact. I am.
Fact. That that I am interacts with an avatar that is attached to a name 'funches'... I believe that you are simply because you exist in my am.

No decption has occured.

Deception would be if I tried to tell you that your are not because I did not believe the reality of your existance.

'Both' is the only possible answer to you question and still remain honest to what I am.

me.

has not a whit to do with either religion OR god.

Just reality.

AdventureBegins...either your using parables or you have a mild case of dyslexia but either way the question pertains only to your existence

here's the question again ....remember choose either "know" or "believe" when answering the question about "your" existence

THE QUESTION:
do you "Know" that you yourself exist or do you "Believe" that you yourself exist?

Cognito ergo sum

THE ANSWER:

Both! (what I KNOW I also BELIEVE)...

BOTH!

Further explanation...
To know is to believe. BOTH!

If you pluck a hair from your head and split it into two pieces which piece came from you?

AdventureBegins...."both" was not one of the options ....the options were "Know" or "Believe"

all you have to do is pick one....why do religious people find this impossible to do .....especially when it pertains to their own existence

so come on AdventureBegins here's the question again, give it the old college try...do it for the Gipper, if you have to do an "Eeny Meeny Miny Mo" ...but pick one...you can do it

THE QUESTION
do you "Know" that you yourself exist or do you "Believe" that you yourself exist