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Topic: Religion is Child Abuse?
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 04/19/12 10:42 AM
'abuse' is a highly overused and oversimplified term in the forums, thats why I always almost put it in quotes,,,, MsHarmony...you "always almost"? .....can we say contradiction? you clearly been hanging around "Cowboy 2" way to much but it is somewhat poetic how you always attempt to cover your butt in legalese and ironic how you somehow understand the complexity of language after all you are correct, always is an absolute, I made a grammatical error Now, that done, still does nothing to change my point,,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 04/19/12 12:19 PM
O' Sitting Thinker... Both! Is the only answer which actually fits your question. If both is not acceptable as an answer to your question than the only answer I can give other than 'both' is... It matters not if I know or believe... I am... Is this not so? AdventureBegins...it's a simply question that ask one to choose from one of two options that represents their existence it's not a question to trick you....just to enlighten you.... My enlightenment comes not from you. In truth. the options given do not even come close to representing my existance (i.e. your question is invalid to the fact of my existance as I am beyond the ability of a binary logic to measure). Knowing or believing mean nothing when reduced to its lowest common denominator. Iam. Peace be with you brother but you do not set the parameters by which my life is questioned. (by me) AdventureBegins....I simply offered a challenge with simple rules, it was expected that those that took on the challenge would play by the rules ....but it's clear now that your belief do not permit you to do as such Sure it does, because believing something is the exact same thing as knowing something. Cowboy...once again you are arguing with yourself...because didn't you follow the rules and picked one option "believe"...so if you can follow the rules...explain why MsHarmony and AdventureBegin are incapable of doing so.... are you more open-minded than them? O' Sitting Thinker why must you assume that others have a need to follow your rules? Explain then to Cowboy why you limited the answers. (I need no explanation as the answer is obvious). Indeed perhaps you are not as large as you believe. What makes you as you are... Knowing or believing? If it is knowing then perhaps you should examine your belief. If it is believing perhaps it be necessary for you to seek further knowledge. AdventureBegins..you either "know" that you exist or not ....there really wasn't a reason to include "believe" into the question except to watch how belief limit thought

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 04/19/12 12:44 PM
'abuse' is a highly overused and oversimplified term in the forums, thats why I always almost put it in quotes,,,, MsHarmony...you "always almost"? .....can we say contradiction? you clearly been hanging around "Cowboy 2" way to much but it is somewhat poetic how you always attempt to cover your butt in legalese and ironic how you somehow understand the complexity of language after all you are correct, always is an absolute, I made a grammatical error Now, that done, still does nothing to change my point,,,, actually it does change your point...since you admitted now that you don't "always almost" place "abusive" in quotes, it now displays how your previous post and now your latter post are still contradictions ...especially since you didn't include a substitute word for "almost always" it renders both posts incomplete in other words...perhaps you shouldn't mistake your ramblings as being complexity of language

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 04/19/12 02:19 PM
'abuse' is a highly overused and oversimplified term in the forums, thats why I always almost put it in quotes,,,, MsHarmony...you "always almost"? .....can we say contradiction? you clearly been hanging around "Cowboy 2" way to much but it is somewhat poetic how you always attempt to cover your butt in legalese and ironic how you somehow understand the complexity of language after all you are correct, always is an absolute, I made a grammatical error Now, that done, still does nothing to change my point,,,, actually it does change your point...since you admitted now that you don't "always almost" place "abusive" in quotes, it now displays how your previous post and now your latter post are still contradictions ...especially since you didn't include a substitute word for "almost always" it renders both posts incomplete in other words...perhaps you shouldn't mistake your ramblings as being complexity of language how does a grammar error 'prove' a contradiction to my original point,,,? keep trying I cant know without first believing,,,,I cant reach a state of knowing without first believing therefore there is no CHOICE between believing or knowing so long as both exist

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Thu 04/19/12 03:13 PM
O' Sitting Thinker... Both! Is the only answer which actually fits your question. If both is not acceptable as an answer to your question than the only answer I can give other than 'both' is... It matters not if I know or believe... I am... Is this not so? AdventureBegins...it's a simply question that ask one to choose from one of two options that represents their existence it's not a question to trick you....just to enlighten you.... My enlightenment comes not from you. In truth. the options given do not even come close to representing my existance (i.e. your question is invalid to the fact of my existance as I am beyond the ability of a binary logic to measure). Knowing or believing mean nothing when reduced to its lowest common denominator. Iam. Peace be with you brother but you do not set the parameters by which my life is questioned. (by me) AdventureBegins....I simply offered a challenge with simple rules, it was expected that those that took on the challenge would play by the rules ....but it's clear now that your belief do not permit you to do as such Sure it does, because believing something is the exact same thing as knowing something. Cowboy...once again you are arguing with yourself...because didn't you follow the rules and picked one option "believe"...so if you can follow the rules...explain why MsHarmony and AdventureBegin are incapable of doing so.... are you more open-minded than them? O' Sitting Thinker why must you assume that others have a need to follow your rules? Explain then to Cowboy why you limited the answers. (I need no explanation as the answer is obvious). Indeed perhaps you are not as large as you believe. What makes you as you are... Knowing or believing? If it is knowing then perhaps you should examine your belief. If it is believing perhaps it be necessary for you to seek further knowledge. AdventureBegins..you either "know" that you exist or not ....there really wasn't a reason to include "believe" into the question except to watch how belief limit thought Aye and you are right... Did not your belief limit you thought to the choices you allowed for the very question you sought answer for?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 04/19/12 08:20 PM
O' Sitting Thinker... Both! Is the only answer which actually fits your question. If both is not acceptable as an answer to your question than the only answer I can give other than 'both' is... It matters not if I know or believe... I am... Is this not so? AdventureBegins...it's a simply question that ask one to choose from one of two options that represents their existence it's not a question to trick you....just to enlighten you.... My enlightenment comes not from you. In truth. the options given do not even come close to representing my existance (i.e. your question is invalid to the fact of my existance as I am beyond the ability of a binary logic to measure). Knowing or believing mean nothing when reduced to its lowest common denominator. Iam. Peace be with you brother but you do not set the parameters by which my life is questioned. (by me) AdventureBegins....I simply offered a challenge with simple rules, it was expected that those that took on the challenge would play by the rules ....but it's clear now that your belief do not permit you to do as such Sure it does, because believing something is the exact same thing as knowing something. Cowboy...once again you are arguing with yourself...because didn't you follow the rules and picked one option "believe"...so if you can follow the rules...explain why MsHarmony and AdventureBegin are incapable of doing so.... are you more open-minded than them? O' Sitting Thinker why must you assume that others have a need to follow your rules? Explain then to Cowboy why you limited the answers. (I need no explanation as the answer is obvious). Indeed perhaps you are not as large as you believe. What makes you as you are... Knowing or believing? If it is knowing then perhaps you should examine your belief. If it is believing perhaps it be necessary for you to seek further knowledge. AdventureBegins..you either "know" that you exist or not ....there really wasn't a reason to include "believe" into the question except to watch how belief limit thought If you know something, you believe it. If you believe something you know it. Would be hard to know something without first believing it Would be hard to believe something without first knowing.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 06:16 AM
I cant know without first believing,,,,I cant reach a state of knowing without first believing MsHarmony.....you just claimed that you had to "first believe" before "knowing" see I knew that you had the ability to eventually answer the question truthfully and you first choice would have been "believe" but now I'm curious...as you were floating through out life "believing" that you existed....how many years did it take you to finally "know" that you did exist?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 06:27 AM
O' Sitting Thinker... Both! Is the only answer which actually fits your question. If both is not acceptable as an answer to your question than the only answer I can give other than 'both' is... It matters not if I know or believe... I am... Is this not so? AdventureBegins...it's a simply question that ask one to choose from one of two options that represents their existence it's not a question to trick you....just to enlighten you.... My enlightenment comes not from you. In truth. the options given do not even come close to representing my existance (i.e. your question is invalid to the fact of my existance as I am beyond the ability of a binary logic to measure). Knowing or believing mean nothing when reduced to its lowest common denominator. Iam. Peace be with you brother but you do not set the parameters by which my life is questioned. (by me) AdventureBegins....I simply offered a challenge with simple rules, it was expected that those that took on the challenge would play by the rules ....but it's clear now that your belief do not permit you to do as such Sure it does, because believing something is the exact same thing as knowing something. Cowboy...once again you are arguing with yourself...because didn't you follow the rules and picked one option "believe"...so if you can follow the rules...explain why MsHarmony and AdventureBegin are incapable of doing so.... are you more open-minded than them? O' Sitting Thinker why must you assume that others have a need to follow your rules? Explain then to Cowboy why you limited the answers. (I need no explanation as the answer is obvious). Indeed perhaps you are not as large as you believe. What makes you as you are... Knowing or believing? If it is knowing then perhaps you should examine your belief. If it is believing perhaps it be necessary for you to seek further knowledge. AdventureBegins..you either "know" that you exist or not ....there really wasn't a reason to include "believe" into the question except to watch how belief limit thought Aye and you are right... Did not your belief limit you thought to the choices you allowed for the very question you sought answer for? not really......you either know you exist or you don't why would someone pick any other option but "know" to do so points to delusion or deception

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 04/20/12 06:35 AM
O' Sitting Thinker... Both! Is the only answer which actually fits your question. If both is not acceptable as an answer to your question than the only answer I can give other than 'both' is... It matters not if I know or believe... I am... Is this not so? AdventureBegins...it's a simply question that ask one to choose from one of two options that represents their existence it's not a question to trick you....just to enlighten you.... My enlightenment comes not from you. In truth. the options given do not even come close to representing my existance (i.e. your question is invalid to the fact of my existance as I am beyond the ability of a binary logic to measure). Knowing or believing mean nothing when reduced to its lowest common denominator. Iam. Peace be with you brother but you do not set the parameters by which my life is questioned. (by me) AdventureBegins....I simply offered a challenge with simple rules, it was expected that those that took on the challenge would play by the rules ....but it's clear now that your belief do not permit you to do as such Sure it does, because believing something is the exact same thing as knowing something. Cowboy...once again you are arguing with yourself...because didn't you follow the rules and picked one option "believe"...so if you can follow the rules...explain why MsHarmony and AdventureBegin are incapable of doing so.... are you more open-minded than them? O' Sitting Thinker why must you assume that others have a need to follow your rules? Explain then to Cowboy why you limited the answers. (I need no explanation as the answer is obvious). Indeed perhaps you are not as large as you believe. What makes you as you are... Knowing or believing? If it is knowing then perhaps you should examine your belief. If it is believing perhaps it be necessary for you to seek further knowledge. AdventureBegins..you either "know" that you exist or not ....there really wasn't a reason to include "believe" into the question except to watch how belief limit thought Aye and you are right... Did not your belief limit you thought to the choices you allowed for the very question you sought answer for? not really......you either know you exist or you don't why would someone pick any other option but "know" to do so points to delusion or deception Still matters none which one someone chooses. They are the same thing. Believing and knowing. Again, if you believe something you then know it. If you know something you are believing it. if one picks believe, they might as well be picking know, they are two in the same If one picks know, they might as well be picking believe, they are two in the same.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 06:39 AM
If you know something, you believe it. If you believe something you know it. Would be hard to know something without first believing it Would be hard to believe something without first knowing. Cowboy... according to your previous answer you chose the option "believe" which means that you "believed" that you existed before "knowing" that you did exist the question now is..... how long did it take you to go from believing that you existed, to "know" that you actually did exist

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 04/20/12 06:43 AM
If you know something, you believe it. If you believe something you know it. Would be hard to know something without first believing it Would be hard to believe something without first knowing. Cowboy... according to your previous answer you chose the option "believe" which means that you "believed" that you existed before "knowing" that you did exist the question now is..... how long did it take you to go from believing that you existed, to "know" that you actually did exist It matters none what one chooses. It is the same exact thing if you believe something you then know it. If you know something you are believing it. You can not know something if you do not first believe it You can not believe in something you do not know about it.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 06:47 AM
It matters none what one chooses. It is the same exact thing if you believe something you then know it. If you know something you are believing it. You can not know something if you do not first believe it You can not believe in something you do not know about it. sorry Cowboy....according to MsHarmony...you have to "believe" before you "know" so is MsHarmony wrong?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 04/20/12 06:51 AM
It matters none what one chooses. It is the same exact thing if you believe something you then know it. If you know something you are believing it. You can not know something if you do not first believe it You can not believe in something you do not know about it. sorry Cowboy....according to MsHarmony...you have to "believe" before you "know" so is MsHarmony wrong? Maybe, maybe not. Would depend on how exactly the words are being used. But let me ask you this, how can you know something someone said if you do not first believe what they have told you? Yes, you could know that they said it, but how would you know the information they were giving if you didn't believe it? And how would you possibly believe something if you do not know? What would you be "believing" if you didn't know? And how would you "know" if you didn't believe? They are the EXACT same thing, knowing and believing. So it wouldn't be quite correct to say one would have to come first, as they are again the exact same thing.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 07:00 AM
It matters none what one chooses. It is the same exact thing if you believe something you then know it. If you know something you are believing it. You can not know something if you do not first believe it You can not believe in something you do not know about it. sorry Cowboy....according to MsHarmony...you have to "believe" before you "know" so is MsHarmony wrong? Maybe, maybe not. Would depend on how exactly the words are being used. But let me ask you this, how can you know something someone said if you do not first believe what they have told you? Yes, you could know that they said it, but how would you know the information they were giving if you didn't believe it? And how would you possibly believe something if you do not know? What would you be "believing" if you didn't know? And how would you "know" if you didn't believe? They are the EXACT same thing, knowing and believing. So it wouldn't be quite correct to say one would have to come first, as they are again the exact same thing. so in other words you are claiming that MsHarmony is wrong ....you're trying to argue the point to me...I didn't make the statement...MsHarmony made the statement.....I think you are scare to disagree with her....

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 04/20/12 07:03 AM
It matters none what one chooses. It is the same exact thing if you believe something you then know it. If you know something you are believing it. You can not know something if you do not first believe it You can not believe in something you do not know about it. sorry Cowboy....according to MsHarmony...you have to "believe" before you "know" so is MsHarmony wrong? Maybe, maybe not. Would depend on how exactly the words are being used. But let me ask you this, how can you know something someone said if you do not first believe what they have told you? Yes, you could know that they said it, but how would you know the information they were giving if you didn't believe it? And how would you possibly believe something if you do not know? What would you be "believing" if you didn't know? And how would you "know" if you didn't believe? They are the EXACT same thing, knowing and believing. So it wouldn't be quite correct to say one would have to come first, as they are again the exact same thing. so in other words you are claiming that MsHarmony is wrong ....you're trying to argue the point to me...I didn't make the statement...MsHarmony made the statement.....I think you are scare to disagree with her.... What are you talking about? Nobodys "wrong" about this. This pertains to perception and how YOU see things. Not arguing anything, why you take it so personal? And not scared of anything.... what would I have to be scared about?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 07:17 AM
What are you talking about? Nobodys "wrong" about this. "both" you and MsHarmony can't be right.... she claims that you first have to "believe" before you "know" you claim that you have to "know" and "believe" simultaneously therefore one of you two are "wrong" is it you or her? ...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 04/20/12 10:27 AM
What are you talking about? Nobodys "wrong" about this. "both" you and MsHarmony can't be right.... she claims that you first have to "believe" before you "know" you claim that you have to "know" and "believe" simultaneously therefore one of you two are "wrong" is it you or her? ... Of course we can both claim this. It is the same exact thing. Unless you can answer me this, how would one know something if they didn't believe it?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 10:34 AM
What are you talking about? Nobodys "wrong" about this. "both" you and MsHarmony can't be right.... she claims that you first have to "believe" before you "know" you claim that you have to "know" and "believe" simultaneously therefore one of you two are "wrong" is it you or her? ... Of course we can both claim this. It is the same exact thing. Unless you can answer me this, how would one know something if they didn't believe it? nope..you both gave totally opposite answers....as I said..you're scare to disagree with MsHarmony

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 04/20/12 11:56 AM
What are you talking about? Nobodys "wrong" about this. "both" you and MsHarmony can't be right.... she claims that you first have to "believe" before you "know" you claim that you have to "know" and "believe" simultaneously therefore one of you two are "wrong" is it you or her? ... Of course we can both claim this. It is the same exact thing. Unless you can answer me this, how would one know something if they didn't believe it? nope..you both gave totally opposite answers....as I said..you're scare to disagree with MsHarmony Explain how it could be totally opposite? And why in the world would I be scared to disagree with MsHarmony?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 04/20/12 12:32 PM
Explain how it could be totally opposite? And why in the world would I be scared to disagree with MsHarmony? MsHarmony claimed that you have to "first believe" before you "know" ....do you agree with that?