You hit it on the nose Abra..Bravo

Satan goes back and forth this day from heaven to earth. why.. Accussing the brethern.

he is then thrown out as the True Evangel is hated.. they cheer around the world when 2 men are killed... dispay thier bodies in Jerusalem for the world tosee as everybodie rejoices in thier death.

Yahweh knows the beginning from the end.. time and space have no barrier to him.

He created us in His own image.. we look like him.. like children would.


He gave us life. Satan has immortal life.. spirit is never killed.

His very rebellion is the result of us being here today. He messed up.. now he has flesh and blood to contend with being the breath of Yahweh brought to life a living being.

we are nieve we listen when we shouldn't.

The apple that they were told would give them the knowledge of Elohim was more than an apple they were refraimed from eating.

It was the Heart of the matter. Satan Enslaved to trying to decieve innocent humans who were just created. Babes u might say.

the knowledge of good and evil.. the lost inocents

the apple is the Heart of the life giving tree . the Tree of Life.

eating this heart of lost innocent thouts caused adam and even to immediately need to cover up.from child to adulthood.

look at us why are children so special its thier Faith Mommy and Daddy will always keep them safe.

The Spirit of Yahweh is a spirit of meekness. no reason to doubt you just know everything will be alright.. nomatter what the trial.

the inner peace that only comes from above that keeps you from fear.

I believe. if they take my life. I guess it was time ..it was allowed or nothing could be done.. just like Yahshua said when he was being tortured.

Religion is for everyone but everuone must have compassion. a must.
How can you feel and help anyone if you have not real compassion?

Real compassion is the giving of your best when you see a need and can/want to filled.

Works is a wierd one in most contexts of those of the planet.

we all work.. we do works then.. do we live the scriptures or just read them?

The Evangel that will soon be taught will be dangerous.. not from just satan or mans traditions also.. will not be excepted.

Just a few.. they will hear what they have been searching for.

a common sence way of seeing the bible.. even a babe can understand.

by 12 most can debate the ministors of where they live. they are just left dumb founded. a 12 year old told them something they never could quite understand.

Thats the Evangelistic people who are spread around the earth.. not worrying and going on with life.people will listen to them.. thats all they need to do.

a ounze of pain can be passed by...just by giving your best shot..

does not have a timefram.. learn as you feel you need to..

To understand the New Testament one must know what made Yahshua the perfect sacrafice.He did it because he is our friend.and example of what a true fried will go through if need be.


Satan has not a chance.we are given the future it takes many months/years of study.

If you use your common sence .. you will learn why and what the law really is.. then when going on to Yahshua's time with the spirit of the law you can see with your own eyes.


WEare Special.. None of the Angels were made in the image of Yahweh.. just us.

Yahshua is called the 2nd Adam.

Yahshua obeyed when tempted Adam did not.

The scriptures are about obeying the word of Yahweh.

The sheep though that hear his voice and will not follow another.

They are the ones who accept the Evangel willingly coming to it when they hear it.

We are being Taught without influence and seeing the same thing.

Thats not religion thats a drawing of the ones on good soil. who stand firm.. still questioning as this is the way we learn.

Satan is alright with the worlds religions because when the 2 witnesses show up the prophecy that the whole world will hear Yahweh's Evangel.

They will hate it. for 3 1/2 years they will try to destroy them.but then all of a suden they are killed and its the best news the world has heard in a while.


The rising after 3 1/2 days.

what does it mean?

Rev 7 and 14 are singing Halleluyah while the world is morning again.

not Halleluyah because they were chosen but Halleluyah this mess is almost over and Satan is ticked.

He has got to do something drastic. Hes been thrown out of Heaven for good and the time is near.

The hole locked with chains.

He has to stop this as the whole world does not know what to think.

He goes hard after the Remnent left behind who are faithful.. thier faith sustains them..

Satan in the meantime has to bee seen as good.. he rises from the dead of his wound he suffer he becomes a man.

suffering must end and he points to the Man of Sin as our leader.. a leader for all worldwide.

Islam and the Asian countries begin to flourish.. new power for technology for comforts the American European way.



fighting destroys what they are just getting used to.






the new ruler proposes a truce to all the world.. it says we will not harm you.

true peace is when thier is no harm.

yet men in High Places look at thier option to stay rich and bring about slave labory. where u can survive if you please us. no different than today.

Satan must convince the world its the only way he was ordained for this very reason.

stylish friendly, attracs people.. don't know why.

This all because he knows his jail sentence is about to begin and he needs to escape. so he takes a chance and stands in a Temple. where, what temple.. a common one. and the world loves it. yet satan is going alone.. Blessings.Miules

if the trinity is true and the son is the father then why does he say this about the return?

Mark 13:32

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
NKJV

Why would he say only the father if he is the father? Blessings..Miles

A good way to explain this came to mind.

Take your shirt for instance. It is one object, is it not? But it is made up of many different objects, thread, yarn, cotton maybe, ect.

Your body is one object, but it is made up of many, Your hand, your foot, ect. In your body, does not all parts work as one to do that which you are doing?

Your foot, your hand, ect does your will because it has no other choice. Jesus had his own will, his own thought, but he made his will the father's will. Thus, they are one.

First of all, the person of the Son is NOT the

prson of the Father...the person of the Father

is NOT the person of the Son...

futhermore...the person of the Holy Spirit is NOT the person of

the Father..the person of the Father is

NOT the person of the Holy Spiirt...

etc etc etc.....


POINT BEING...each DISTINCT person of the Trinity (Godhead)

REMAINS that distinct person within the One Godhead.


THEY DON'T CHANGE PLACES!!!!!

THEY REMAIN THE SAME FOREVER!!!!


BUT...all three persons WITHIN that ONE Godhead make up ONLY ONE

GOD..

and each person WITHIN the trinity are EQUALLY GOD!!!!!

(EACH PERSON WITHIN THE GODHEAD ARE AS MUCH GOD).



Now...why did Jesus not know the hour of his return?

Actually, Jesuas never SAID He did NOT know....

I seriously doubt Jesus did not know...BUT, in honor of his Father,

Jesus in his wisdom said some things are left to Father.

(Jesus at the time,was not yet back with the Father, and

was humble and obedient to the Father.....

but now that Jesus is back with the Father in ALLLL His Glory,

Jesus KNOWS all things...cause Jesus is just as much

GOD as the Father.


BUT....let's just say for arguments sakes, that someone

wants to believe that

Jesus did not know the hour of his return(although

again...Jesus NEVER said that).


Well....let's take a look at ALL that Jesus DID KNOW AND SAY

AND DO , while

still on earth...which proves that ONLY someone who was TRULY God

(God the Son ), could KNOW AND SAY AND DO what JESUS did !!!



Amen???!!!




But again.....

Each person of the trinity REMAINS THAT PERSON...

and EACH PERSON WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ,

ARE EQUALLY GOD!!!


EQUALLY GOD....AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD,

MAKE UP ONE GOD ALMIGHTY !!!


ONE GOD WE SERVE AND ONE GOD ONLY!!!!!!

ONE GOD ALMIGHTY !!!

There would be nothing almighty about a God who ends up getting himself nailed to a pole by a bunch of ignorant morons.

There would be nothing almighty about a God who has to jump through hoops to prove something to a sniveling demonic fallen angel.

There would be nothing almighty about a God who tried to create a religion to communicate to people his desires only to have that religion fall all apart into so many different opposing and fighting factions, from Judaism, to Islam, to Catholicism, to the rebellious protesting Protestants.

Just a God would be an absolute completely inept moron himself.

If there exists an "Almighty God", he/she/it would certainly have nothing to do with any of the Mediterranean superstitious religions.

God would either need to be a totally mysterious entity described by the Eastern Mystics, or not exist at all.

So really, as a human species we're basically faced with either Eastern Mysticism, or Pure Atheism as being the most likely candidates for a description of reality.

There is something nothing "almighty" about the God of the Hebrew folklore. He's neither powerful, nor wise, nor intelligent, nor anything that he's supposed to be.

These religions shot themselves in their own feet when they proclaimed to know so much about this egotistical God they created. They forced him into a situation where he simply cannot be all-wise, all-powerful, or anything even remotely close to anything like that.

In order for the Hebrew fables to be true, their God would need to be a complete idiot, far beneath a lot of mortal humans.

Ms said

"Now...why did Jesus not know the hour of his return?

Actually, Jesuas never SAID He did NOT know....

I seriously doubt Jesus did not know..."

to what extent will you deny the Scriptures of life.. Now you say that the Messiah is a Liar.. I agree JC is!!!!!!!!!!!!

One more thing here......


Although the bible says the path is narrow and few there be

that FIND It....

well.....here is what else the bible says:

The bible says that God FINDS US..we don't find God!!!


GOD thru THE POWER OF His HOLY SPIRIT, DRAWS us FIRST unto

Him...that is HOW

we are even able to get SAVED in the first place!!!


Point being .....THE WORD HAS TO BE RIGHTLY DIVIDED!!!


AND ONE MUST LOOK AT THE WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE AND NOT JUST AT PART

OF SCRIPTURE!!!


The bible ALSO says that

GOD IS MIGHTY TO SAVE!!!!!


The bible ALSO says

THE DEVIL HAS ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED!!!


Yes , the devil will still try all he can to deceive.

BUT.... the Victory has already been WON at Calvary!!!


The devil is already a DEAFEATED FOE!!!


BUT.....BUT.......BUT.......

ONE STILLL HAS TO

RECEIVE THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE THAT JESUS PAID FOR IN

FULL AT CALVARY.....

AND NOW OFFERRS FREELY TO US ALL!!!


IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, AND HAVE ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD,

AND IN ORDER TO WALK IN THAT VICTORY OVER THE ENEMY THAT HAS

ALREADY BEEN WON FOR US BY JESUS ON THE CROSS ,

ONE HAS TO GOTTA WANNA GO GETTA THAT FREE GIFT OF GRACE

NOW!!!


SO.....WHATCHA WAITING FOR???!!

HUH??????!!!!


But again..... we can't find nada when it comes to God...cause

we are lost....that is why GOD FINDS US!!!


The thing is, when Jesus knocks on your heart's door, are you

gonna open the door and ask Him in?



Are you?



Well...then..if you DON'T...and if you reject God when He FINDS

you and KNOCKS on your hearts door......THEN...there is nothing

more He can do then.


But like I said, God FINDS US...and all we have to do is say,

"Yes Lord, I'm coming home.....I'm coming home". <<happy tears


But WHO shall refuse God when he knocks ever so lovingly on

our heaet's door?

When God's presence is felt, NO ONE shall refuse...except the

COLDEST heart!!!


Remember now.....

GOD NEVER NEVER NEVER REJECTS A SINGLE SOUL;!!!!!!


NEVER!!!


INSTEAD.....

MAN REJECTS GOD!!!!

Again............scripture is deep and has to be rightly

divided!!

Few that find God?

You bet...


THAT IS WHY GOD FINDS US....AND DRAWS US...AND WOOS US...AND

GENTLY KNOCKS...AND WAITS FOR US...EVER SO LOVINGLY AND

PATIENTLY.

IT IS ONLY GOD WHO FINDS US......AND SAVES US..AND NOT

OURSELVES!!!!!


AND ONCE AGAIN.....GOD IS MIGHTY TO SAVE!!!

MIGHTY GOD!!!



So...those who preach billions are going to hell?

First of all, It is NOT man's place to judge...or even to know that .....

THAT IS GOD'S PLACE TO KNOW...AND ONLY GOD'S PLACE TO KNOW

THAT...NOT MAN'S !!!


And again....God would have it that NO ONE PERISH!!!

NO ONE!!!!!


We have only one thing required of us..and that is...

to LIFT UP JESUS

AND PREACH GOD'S WORD!!!

AND LEAVE THE JUDGING OF SOULS UP TO GOD!!!



JESUS SAID ,"IF I BE LIFTED UP, I WILL DRAW ALLLLL MEN UNTO

ME!!!"



WHAT??


ALLLLLL MEN !!


SAY THAT AGAIN??



ALLLLLLL MEN!!!


SO.....LET'S LIFT UP JESUS NOW...AND WATCH WHAT GOD WILL DO!!!



AMEN!!!!

Calling yourself a moron? Cause he took the grave for you. And he got himself nailed to that cross, to give you the knowledge of Heaven and how to achieve such a glorious place. Would you rather be left in the dark and miss out on the greatest gift there ever was or ever will be?




God jumps through no hoops, nor does God have anything to prove to Satan. What are you talking about? God uses Satan as a little pawn. If Satan wasn't here to put us through tribulations, how would one then "earn" Heaven? There would be no obstacles to overcome in the name of Jesus.



God didn't create religion. Man created religion to try and understand God.

He did say.

Matthew 24:36

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32

King James Version (KJV)


32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels

which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."




Miles....when I said that Jesus never did say he

did NOT know , I meant in those exact

words.


According to scriptures, what Jesus DID say was," of that day

and

that hour knoweth no man,

no, not the angels

which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."




Now.....when Jesus was still on eath, He KNEW

much....but this one thing was reserved to the Father's

knowing only.


But again...Jesus was still on earth at the time, when

saying this.

But remember now..... Jesus is EQUALLY God WITH the Father.


God KNOWS All Things.

There is ONLY ONE GOD.


Jesus is BACK WITH the Father NOW.


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.


GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS.


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.



GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS.


DING? DING?

be happy

Cowboy wrote:





Cowboy ,heaven is not " earned:.....

Salvation is a free gift of grace ....

when One receives Jesus, one is saved and receives eternal life .....and that also includes heaven.....

but not only heaven, but we also return with Jesus back

to earth one day......in that day when there will be no

more need for the sun..for Jesus will be the only Light we

need .....and there will be no more night....



So......heaven is not earned, Cowboy...it is freely given of

God to us.

Excuse me?

I didn't nail Jesus to any pole, nor to I condone having Jesus nailed to a pole for my sake.

Clearly YOU DO!

So who's the moron Cowboy?



What are you taking about?

I'm talking about Jesus supposedly being God and being nailed to a pole by men in an act that Christians hold to be "The Sacrificial Lamb of God".

That makes absolutely no sense Cowboy.

Who would God have been making this sacrifice TO?

Clearly not to men. Men have no need to have anyone crucified to pay for their sins. The whole need for a "sacrificial lamb" thing comes from these religious superstitions and is supposed to be something that God requires, not men.

There can only be three possible scenarios, none of which make any sense at all.

1. It was God's plan and will that Jesus be crucified to pay for the sins of man, because God himself is appeased by this kind of gory sickness.

That's just utterly sick and demented and suggests that this God is a sick demented God. It's clearly just a man-made fable not all that much different from Zeus, or any other man-made fictitious Godhead.

2. It was God's plan and will that Jesus be crucified to pay for the sins of man, because God had to prove something to Satan.

But that would be Satan making God jump through hoops, and so that can't fly either.

3. It wasn't God's plan and will to have Jesus crucified! That just happened by mistake as mankind's reaction to God sending his son to spread a "New Covenant".

Well, if that were the case, then God fails big time because he didn't even plan for this horrible event and it was just happened anyway when God never meant for it to happen. But that would imply a God who can't even protect his only begotten son from the evil deeds of men. If God can't even protect his only begotten son from the evil deeds of men, then how can any mere mortal man trust God to protect him from anything at all? Yet we are supposed to trust this God to be able to protect us!

None of these scenarios work Cowboy. They all reveal a weak, inferior God. Clearly these stories are fables based on superstitions and exaggerated rumors.

The mere fact that Jesus was crucified tells us with absolute certainty that he wasn't sent from God. It's proof positive that Jesus was just a mortal man who tried to teach better morals than had been taught in the Torah.

We can know with absolute certainty that Jesus was not the "only begotten son" of any God sent to bring humanity a "New Covenant".

We can know with absolute certainty that, at best, Jesus was something like a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva who simply tried to help a sick ailing society that had a sick ailing religion.

At worst yet, Jesus never existed at all, and was maliciously invented by men for the express purpose of creating a religion based on an idea of a "Christ" for the purpose of supporting their religious bigotry to the hilt in the name of a God. (no one gets to got but through their religion)

Actually we know for a fact, that this was a common theme in those days for societies to try to trump the religions of all other societies because religion was a politically powerful thing back in those days.

So there is good reason to believe that these men had the motivation to construct such a religion.

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There is no legitimate excuse for a supreme being to have (or allow) his only begotten son to be nailed to a pole by humans to supposedly "pay" for their sins.

Having them disobey him once again by murdering his innocent son would surely not PAY for their sins anyway. All that would to is ADD to their sinful behavior.

Moreover, it wasn't ALL HUMANS who took part in this dastardly mob. This would be like blaming the democrats for the utter stupidity of the republicans today.

I certainly don't associate myself with the mob that would have crucified Jesus. I truly feel sorry for you if you do.

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The very notion that such a "plan" for salvation of humanity would have come from any supposedly "all-wise" God is nonsense because there is absolutely nothing wise about it.

Such behavior on the part of a God would be utterly foolish and stupid.

You'll never convince me that our creator is as stupid as Christianity demands.

That's never going to fly.

Heaven is "earned", it is rewarded to explain it better. It can not be "bought", it is not freely given away. Cause heck, even the devils have faith in God.

James 2:17-19

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

He made the sacrifice for YOU. He died on that cross, so you would not have to.



The crucifixion wasn't all his sacrifice, only his last while still on Earth. Jesus did not live for himself, he lived for YOU. He lived to give the knowledge needed to achieve Heaven.



What are you talking about? God didn't sacrifice Jesus. He sacrificed his own life for you. He never had to feel the pain of death, but he took that burden on his shoulders, so you could have eternal life through him.


And on the rest of your post, not going to directly quote and reply, for it's all just insults. It is all just negative things that you make up to make yourself feel better about your choice.

http://www.hespeaksnow.com/wp/




http://www.gotquestions.org/why-Jesus-die.html

Sorry Cowboy....We do not earn anything....and no...

neither heaven nor salvation can be bought or earned....cause

Jesus already BOUGHT us with

His Own PRECIOUS BLOOD, and already PAID THE PRICE IN FULL!!!



Now..yes...there will be REWARDS in heaven for our works

(but works that follow AFTER salavati0n, NOT before).


But To think we have to now ALSO ADD OUR OWN STINKIN WORKS .....

to what JESUS ALREADY DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US, in order to

get SAVED ....

or .....

to think we have to EARN heaven,

would be like saying that Jesus did NOT do enough on the

CROSS for us, Cowboy!!!





But again....Works WILL follow AFTER salvation,

as PROOF that we ARE SAVED.....



BUT ONE LAST TIME, works are NOT a requirment FOR

salvation!!!!


SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT OF GRACE OFFERED TO US......BECAUSE

JESUS ALREADY PAID THE PRICE IN FULL!!!

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS RECIEVE THAT GIFT BY FAITH.

FAITH COMES FROM THE HEART.....NOT THE HEAD.....OR JUST BY

OFFERING LIP SERVICE TO GOD!!!


You are misunderstanding that scripture above, Cowboy..

NOW....One's faith IS dead IF IF IF there are NO works

FOLLOWING...

meaning....

IF one IS TRULY SAVED, THEN WORKS WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW,

AS PROOF THAT ONE IS IS IS TRULY SAVED!!!



IF there are no works following salvation, then probably

nothing happened in that person's heart in the first place.


In other words, the person who said he had faith to believe but

no works ever followed,

then that means that the person just confessed Jesus with

his MOUTH ONLY.... and just meant those words IN HIS HEAD ONLY....


BUT NEVER MEANT THOSE WORDS OF FAITH IN HIS HEART!!

So therefore,nothing happened...and therefore no works followed

either...as a result........cause NO REAL FAITH EVER TOOK

ROOT IN THE HEART(JESUS can ONLY come in when a man not only

confesses Jesus with his mouth, but ALSO MEANS IT IN HIS

HEART).

Otherwise,, his Faith is dead.


Faith without works is DEAD Faith, meaning .....Salvation never

took place.....and that person is still DEAD in His sins.



One must have Faith to Believe with one's HEART, not just one's

head.

But that's just the point Cowboy. It's utterly absurd that a truly all-powerful, all-wise God would need to sacrifice anything just to convey knowledge to the objects of his creation.

It doesn't make any sense for a supreme being to associate himself with such disgusting behavior as a crucifixion just to convey a message to humans. Especially if this God can speak to people from the clouds as these fables claim.



There would be no need to sacrifice any life for me.

I realize that you are incapable of comprehending this, but if a truly all-wise supreme being exists he would indeed understand.

That's the problem with this whole religion. To believe in it I would need to be as naive as the people who believe in it. And I would also need to believe that the supreme being himself is just as naive.




It only appears to be "insults" to you because you are obviously insulted by the fact that someone views these Hebrew fables as being too stupid to be representative of a supreme being.

But the fact is that this is precisely why I reject these fables Cowboy. Because they are indeed utterly absurd, IMHO.

How can I avoid this?

This is the main reason that I reject these fables as being "ungodly". They simply don't represent wisdom, intelligence or anything even remotely along those lines.

They don't even represent the intelligence and wisdom that I have seen exhibited by many mere mortal men and women. How can I possibly believe that a supposedly all-wise supreme being would be associated with such ignorance?

This whole Hebrew (or Israelite) society was a bunch of ignorant male-chauvinistic pigs. They were brutal. They stoned their fellow man to death in the name of their superstitious God, and their stories about their God reflected their own crude methods of solving problems.

Why should it be considered to be "insulting" simply because I don't believe that a truly wise and all-intelligent God would not be associated with brutal crucifixions to "pay" for the sins of men.

We're talking here about a God who is supposed to be all-wise, all-powerful, and all-intelligent, why he solves all of his problems in crude ignorant ways?

And even makes a crucifixion the central focal point of obtain his "grace".

I'm sorry if you find it to be offensive or "insulting" if I personally don't view such crude ignorant things to be "ALL_WISE" solutions to problems.

But I just don't.

And I never will.

This is the kind of behavior I would expect from very low-mentality barroom drunkards. Certainly not the kind of solutions I would expect to see from an all-wise supreme being.

That's not mean to "insult". I'm just making the point that I don't see any reason to believe that a supposedly "all-wise" supreme being would use such ignorant methods to try to solve his problems.

They just aren't WISE solutions, IMHO.

And this is why I reject this religion.

How else was he going to give us the message? The human's are the one's that turned and still turn away from God. So obviously it wouldn't have done any better for him to have shown his smiling face and told us directly, cause again that didn't work the first time. Humans still turned away from God and was disobedient.



How else was he to give us the knowledge? He came to do just that, give us the knowledge to Heaven. And what did the human race do? We crucified him. Again, how else was he going to deliver the message? Cause again we turned away from God when the Human race decided to be disobedient. So again, how would that have reaped better results?



No, it's not the fact that you do view it this way that makes it insulting. It's the way you say it. You don't come to "discuss" the religion or the beliefs that follow. You're here to totally spread nothing but biased opinion on the matter, no matter what anyone else says. You're here to try and give Christianity a bad name, which btw, you fail at miserably.