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Do you mean that you think that all good people - even those who live a Christ-like beautiful life are going to Hell for eternal damnation just because they do not believe in the Trinity like Jehovah's Witnesses? You think that God would torture good and loving and righteous people just because they don't believe "Jesus is God"? Do you think that Jesus would scourge just and kind people under any circumstances? http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Beliefs/their_beliefs.htm How can someone be righteous if they don't believe Jesus is our God? Jesus is the one whom will judge us, so therefore it is his discretion to what righteous is. Jesus specifically said no one will come to the father but by him. James 2:16-19 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Godliness, good deeds, righteousness and kindness have no religion. Atheists, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, American Indians, Hindus all can be good without "believing in Jesus". These people do not need to be "saved". They would never be punished by a loving and just God such as Jesus. if you believe the Bible, then understand it. Jesus is the ONLY way to eternity! Read. Acts4:10-12 So you think all Buddhists, Taoists, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus are all going to hell? I don't believe this. I believe that Jesus would never punish good people regardless of their religious beliefs. When the Bible says there is no way to salvation except through Jesus I interpret that to mean that one must be like Jesus and any good person qualifies. 
I think that those people who think you have to believe Jesus to be the messiah just to be "saved" are misguided. Jesus himself never said he was the messiah or claimed he was God actually. Later others said that. Jesus simply believed as the other Hebrews did that one had to live a good, kind ethical life and he tried to set an example. And anyone who lives a good, kind, ethical life as Jesus did will find salvation regardless of whether they are brought up Muslim, Taoist, Hindu etc... I don't believe this. I believe that Jesus would never punish good people regardless of their religious beliefs. When the Bible says there is no way to salvation except through Jesus I interpret that to mean that one must be like Jesus and any good person qualifies. Takes both works and faith. One of them alone can not save a person, takes both. So yes, one must be a good hearted loving person, but they also must have faith in Jesus. James 2:14 14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 14:22 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 14:24 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. |
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Edited by
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Do you mean that you think that all good people - even those who live a Christ-like beautiful life are going to Hell for eternal damnation just because they do not believe in the Trinity like Jehovah's Witnesses? You think that God would torture good and loving and righteous people just because they don't believe "Jesus is God"? Do you think that Jesus would scourge just and kind people under any circumstances? http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Beliefs/their_beliefs.htm How can someone be righteous if they don't believe Jesus is our God? Jesus is the one whom will judge us, so therefore it is his discretion to what righteous is. Jesus specifically said no one will come to the father but by him. James 2:16-19 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Godliness, good deeds, righteousness and kindness have no religion. Atheists, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, American Indians, Hindus all can be good without "believing in Jesus". These people do not need to be "saved". They would never be punished by a loving and just God such as Jesus. if you believe the Bible, then understand it. Jesus is the ONLY way to eternity! Read. Acts4:10-12 So you think all Buddhists, Taoists, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus are all going to hell? I don't believe this. I believe that Jesus would never punish good people regardless of their religious beliefs. When the Bible says there is no way to salvation except through Jesus I interpret that to mean that one must be like Jesus and any good person qualifies.
I think that those people who think you have to believe Jesus to be the messiah just to be "saved" are misguided. Jesus himself never said he was the messiah or claimed he was God actually. Later others said that. Jesus simply believed as the other Hebrews did that one had to live a good, kind ethical life and he tried to set an example. And anyone who lives a good, kind, ethical life as Jesus did will find salvation regardless of whether they are brought up Muslim, Taoist, Hindu etc... I don't believe this. I believe that Jesus would never punish good people regardless of their religious beliefs. When the Bible says there is no way to salvation except through Jesus I interpret that to mean that one must be like Jesus and any good person qualifies. Takes both works and faith. One of them alone can not save a person, takes both. So yes, one must be a good hearted loving person, but they also must have faith in Jesus. James 2:14 14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 14:22 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 14:24 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Read these scriptures again carefully. James 2:14 says primarily you need deeds not just good intention. 14:22 says deeds are what makes good intentions perfect 14:24 says works and not intention alone are what a man is measured by... There is nothing here which indicates you cannot be Shinto, Hindu, Jehovah's Witnesses or Agnostic and not benefit as much as any Christian by faith in goodness and good works to back it up. Jesus will never punish true goodness no matter what religious rites the people follow - as long as they are good, kind and ethical. I know this in my heart. Be like Jesus with forgiveness and love and open your heart to good souls of all religions. 
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if you believe the Bible, then understand it. Jesus is the ONLY way to eternity! Read. Acts4:10-12 So you think all Buddhists, Taoists, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus are all going to hell? I don't believe this. I believe that Jesus would never punish good people regardless of their religious beliefs. When the Bible says there is no way to salvation except through Jesus I interpret that to mean that one must be like Jesus and any good person qualifies.
I think that those people who think you have to believe Jesus to be the messiah just to be "saved" are misguided. Jesus himself never said he was the messiah or claimed he was God actually. Later others said that. Jesus simply believed as the other Hebrews did that one had to live a good, kind ethical life and he tried to set an example. And anyone who lives a good, kind, ethical life as Jesus did will find salvation regardless of whether they are brought up Muslim, Taoist, Hindu etc... so, with do you understand by these following scriptures; john 3:3-18, john 10:10-12  |
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john 3:3 3-18 is
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. and following discussion... =-=-= This means one must be spiritually reborn. That is to say that one must sincerely repent and do good works and be pure of heart. This can be done by any good person who observes any religious ritual. ********* john 10:10 10-12 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. =-=-= This means that Jesus is the good shepherd. He protects the flock and he leads them into safety. He leads by example. His example is purity and love. He leads all regardless of their religion. His example is as good for the Muslim as for the Catholic. His path is the path to salvation. It matters not what holidays one observes or even if there is a person who is atheist and denies the existence of God yet still lives a kind and good life as Jesus advocates. If they are truly good, caring and just then they are on the path. ********
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If you believe in Jesus, pray to him for understanding of his word.
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It is amazing to me how the masses just believe without studying the matter for themselves.
2 Tim 2:15 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto Elohim, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. KJV But yet who has studied? I see JC asbeing said to be the father and the son. yet niether is true. JC is a made up name. It is said Yahshua was tempted as all men. Yet when he went to the desert he said. Matt 4:5-7 5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of Yahweh, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'" 7 Yahshua said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt Yahweh your Elohim.'" NKJV Satan said he was the son. Using scripture towards him that he would be saved but not by himself. Yahshua said he was the son of man and all Blasphemy against HIm would be forgiven. If he is the Father then did he lie? He even says he can do nothing by himself. John 5:30 30 I can of Myself do nothing . As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. NKJV Who sent him? He sent himself. Why don't JCians lean the word for themselves. why must they follow anothers work? Is not the Spirit all we need to learn whats right and whats wrong? This is the parable of todays jcians. Matt 13:20-21 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word , immediately he stumbles. NKJV NO ROOT. has not studied for themselves and know for sure what they are saying. Yahshua is not Yahweh it is Yahweh who grants salvation not Yahshua. Yahshua's name even tells us this. Shalom..Miles |
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It is amazing to me how the masses just believe without studying the matter for themselves. 2 Tim 2:15 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto Elohim, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. KJV But yet who has studied? I see JC asbeing said to be the father and the son. yet niether is true. JC is a made up name. It is said Yahshua was tempted as all men. Yet when he went to the desert he said. Matt 4:5-7 5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of Yahweh, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'" 7 Yahshua said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt Yahweh your Elohim.'" NKJV Satan said he was the son. Using scripture towards him that he would be saved but not by himself. Yahshua said he was the son of man and all Blasphemy against HIm would be forgiven. If he is the Father then did he lie? He even says he can do nothing by himself. John 5:30 30 I can of Myself do nothing . As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. NKJV Who sent him? He sent himself. Why don't JCians lean the word for themselves. why must they follow anothers work? Is not the Spirit all we need to learn whats right and whats wrong? This is the parable of todays jcians. Matt 13:20-21 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word , immediately he stumbles. NKJV NO ROOT. has not studied for themselves and know for sure what they are saying. Yahshua is not Yahweh it is Yahweh who grants salvation not Yahshua. Yahshua's name even tells us this. Shalom..Miles well, i don't know how you got your own understanding, but you are not interprating the bible. I believe in the bible, and i believe all it says. { and Jesus said, iam the way the truth and the life, on man comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6. Neither is there salvation in any; for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12} |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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God is MORE concerned with something MUCH MORE IMPORTANT!!!
Wanna know what that is?
INSTEAD of whether we call His Son Jesus in english or hebrew, or in any of the many other languages of the world, WHAT GOD REALLY IS MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH , IS THIS : HAVE YOU ASKED HIS SON JESUS INTO YOUR HEART!!!!! You see....God SEES the heart... AND KNOWS if a man REALLY KNOWS HIS SON JESUS ,or not !!!!! (And btw, Miles, God also isn't too concerned with the hebrew name movement, because God goes by many titles..and many names describing WHO He is.....BUT, if you don't know GOD'S SON personally in your heart, calling Him by His hebrew name won't get you anywhere,anyway.... OR do you any good anyhow. 
It is ONLY THRU THE SOn that we have SALVATION, Miles...NOT just by believing in the Father only....OR BY DOING GOOD WORKS. (However.....good works WILL FOLLOW after salvation, when one is SAVED, ...but are NOT required BEFORE salvation...that would be liKe saying Jesus did not do enough on that cross for us....and we have to now add our stinkin works ALSO , in order to get saved !!! 
NOPE!!! It is THRU ACCEPTING AND BELIEVING ON THE SON JESUS ONLY, that we SAVED , and now are abe to get to the FATHER ..... NO OTHER WAY!!!! AND BTW, GOD ALSO KNOWS WHAT YOU THINK OF HIS SON.... GOD KNOWS IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE HIM TO BE WHO HE REALLY SAYS HE IS... OR.... IF YOU ARE JUST BELIEVING IN YOUR OWN MADE UP VERSION OF WHO YOU THINK HIS SON IS(talking to you now, Cowboy) !!!!!!
And Yes, Jesus prayed to the Father while on Earth...but JESUS IS BACK WITH THE FATHER NOW, WITH ALLLLLL HIS GLORY. The Father , Son and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in ONE GOD. ONE ENTITY !!! NOT THREE ENTITIES..BUT ONE. ONE GOD...BUT 3 PERSONS IN ONE GOD. And No...God is NOT just ONe peRson EITHER....but 3 persons in ONE GOD ALMIGHTY(many places in scripture verify this and also many scriptures verify the DEITY of Chrsit Jesus....look them up ). BEFORE trying to decipher God's Word is why one needs to BELIEVE AND ACCEPT God's Son JESUS ....FIRST.....so that the Holy Spirit CAN come and INDWELL that believer's life now, so that the believer NOW CAN TRULY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD!!! OTHERWISE.....ALL A PERSON WILL HAVE, IS HIS/HER OWN OPINION OR INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD, RATHER THAN THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVEN INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD. WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLS A BELIEVER , THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL LEAD AND GUIDE THAT BELIEVER INTO ALL TRUTH.....AND THAT BELIEVER NOW WILL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF THE SHEPHERD; BUT WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF A STRANGER ,AND WILL FLEE FROM IT !!! Shared from the heart with Love...cause it is time that religious bullcrap stop on here..and JESUS be lifted up now. JESUS...THE NAME ABOVE EVERY NAME......whom the Father gave ALLLLLL Glory to....because of what Jesus did on that cross at calvary...for us all!!! JESUS.......THE ONLY NAME ,BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED !!!!! AMEN. 
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Edited by
MorningSong
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God is MORE concerned with something MUCH MORE IMPORTANT!!! Wanna know what that is?
INSTEAD of whether we call His Son Jesus in english or hebrew, or in any of the many other languages of the world, WHAT GOD REALLY IS MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH , IS THIS : HAVE YOU ASKED HIS SON JESUS INTO YOUR HEART!!!!! You see....God SEES the heart... AND KNOWS if a man REALLY KNOWS HIS SON JESUS ,or not !!!!! (And btw, Miles, God also isn't too concerned with the hebrew name movement, because God goes by many titles..and many names describing WHO He is.....BUT, if you don't know GOD'S SON personally in your heart, calling Him by His hebrew name won't get you anywhere,anyway.... OR do you any good anyhow.
It is ONLY THRU THE SOn that we have SALVATION, Miles...NOT just by believing in the Father only....OR BY DOING GOOD WORKS. (However.....good works WILL FOLLOW after salvation, when one is SAVED, ...but are NOT required BEFORE salvation...that would be liKe saying Jesus did not do enough on that cross for us....and we have to now add our stinkin works ALSO , in order to get saved !!!
NOPE!!! It is THRU ACCEPTING AND BELIEVING ON THE SON JESUS ONLY, that we SAVED , and now are abe to get to the FATHER ..... NO OTHER WAY!!!! AND BTW, GOD ALSO KNOWS WHAT YOU THINK OF HIS SON.... GOD KNOWS IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE HIM TO BE WHO HE REALLY SAYS HE IS... OR.... IF YOU ARE JUST BELIEVING IN YOUR OWN MADE UP VERSION OF WHO YOU THINK HIS SON IS(talking to you now, Cowboy) !!!!!!
And Yes, Jesus prayed to the Father while on Earth...but JESUS IS BACK WITH THE FATHER NOW, WITH ALLLLLL HIS GLORY. The Father , Son and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in ONE GOD. ONE ENTITY !!! NOT THREE ENTITIES..BUT ONE. ONE GOD...BUT 3 PERSONS IN ONE GOD. And No...God is NOT just ONe peRson EITHER....but 3 persons in ONE GOD ALMIGHTY(many places in scripture verify this and also many scriptures verify the DEITY of Chrsit Jesus....look them up ). BEFORE trying to decipher God's Word is why one needs to BELIEVE AND ACCEPT God's Son JESUS ....FIRST.....so that the Holy Spirit CAN come and INDWELL that believer's life now, so that the believer NOW CAN TRULY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD!!! OTHERWISE.....ALL A PERSON WILL HAVE, IS HIS/HER OWN OPINION OR INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD, RATHER THAN THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVEN INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD. WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLS A BELIEVER , THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL LEAD AND GUIDE THAT BELIEVER INTO ALL TRUTH.....AND THAT BELIEVER NOW WILL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF THE SHEPHERD; BUT WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF A STRANGER ,AND WILL FLEE FROM IT !!! Shared from the heart with Love...cause it is time that religious bullcrap stop on here..and JESUS be lifted up now. JESUS...THE NAME ABOVE EVERY NAME......whom the Father gave ALLLLLL Glory to....because of what Jesus did on that cross at calvary...for us all!!! JESUS.......THE ONLY NAME ,BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED !!!!! AMEN.
Morning song. who are you trying to save? Yahshua said he did his Fathers will ( not his own ) The disciples did not have the NT when they were alive. When they spoke they spoke the spiritual meaning of the WORD. Yahshua is the WORD which includes the law. whyich commandments are we able to break? and I mean willingly. If thier is no other name ...ie.. Acts 4:12 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." NKJV and you even admit its Yahshua.. what gives you or anyone else the right to say they believe by using another name? can you show any instance? can you know the 3rd commandment that has been thrown away? Yahshua means literally Yahweh saves or Yahweh is Salvation Blessings..Miles |
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It is amazing to me how the masses just believe without studying the matter for themselves. 2 Tim 2:15 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto Elohim, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. KJV But yet who has studied? I see JC asbeing said to be the father and the son. yet niether is true. JC is a made up name. It is said Yahshua was tempted as all men. Yet when he went to the desert he said. Matt 4:5-7 5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of Yahweh, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'" 7 Yahshua said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt Yahweh your Elohim.'" NKJV Satan said he was the son. Using scripture towards him that he would be saved but not by himself. Yahshua said he was the son of man and all Blasphemy against HIm would be forgiven. If he is the Father then did he lie? He even says he can do nothing by himself. John 5:30 30 I can of Myself do nothing . As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. NKJV Who sent him? He sent himself. Why don't JCians lean the word for themselves. why must they follow anothers work? Is not the Spirit all we need to learn whats right and whats wrong? This is the parable of todays jcians. Matt 13:20-21 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word , immediately he stumbles. NKJV NO ROOT. has not studied for themselves and know for sure what they are saying. Yahshua is not Yahweh it is Yahweh who grants salvation not Yahshua. Yahshua's name even tells us this. Shalom..Miles well, i don't know how you got your own understanding, but you are not interprating the bible. I believe in the bible, and i believe all it says. { and Jesus said, iam the way the truth and the life, on man comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6. Neither is there salvation in any; for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12} Yes you are right "comes to the father except except through Yahshua" Most only follow TRADITION.. Nothing New under the Sun Blessings..Miles |
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The extreme Christian arrogance over demanding that Jesus is the only begotten son of God is what makes Christianity so utterly despicable.
Even based on the Hebrew scriptures of the New Testament there is really no sane reason for believing that Jesus himself was such an arrogant jerk. Christians alone are responsible for creating an egotistical monster out of Jesus. I'm extremely confident that the man himself (assuming that he ever existed at all) would ever support the overly arrogant egotistical religion that has disgraced his name sake and uses it to support precisely the opposite ethical values that he himself was said to have held and taught. I'm in total agreement with the sentiments of Mahatma Gandhi,.... Jesus himself seemed like a likable person. Totally unlike the Christians who desecrate his name. Of could that wasn't Mahatma Gandhi's actual words. I think he said something like, "I like your Christ, but I don't care much for your Christians." ~~~~~ In short, I like Jesus, but Christians make me sick to my stomach. They are about as un-Christ-like as anyone I know. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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God is MORE concerned with something MUCH MORE IMPORTANT!!! Wanna know what that is?
INSTEAD of whether we call His Son Jesus in english or hebrew, or in any of the many other languages of the world, WHAT GOD REALLY IS MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH , IS THIS : HAVE YOU ASKED HIS SON JESUS INTO YOUR HEART!!!!! You see....God SEES the heart... AND KNOWS if a man REALLY KNOWS HIS SON JESUS ,or not !!!!! (And btw, Miles, God also isn't too concerned with the hebrew name movement, because God goes by many titles..and many names describing WHO He is.....BUT, if you don't know GOD'S SON personally in your heart, calling Him by His hebrew name won't get you anywhere,anyway.... OR do you any good anyhow.
It is ONLY THRU THE SOn that we have SALVATION, Miles...NOT just by believing in the Father only....OR BY DOING GOOD WORKS. (However.....good works WILL FOLLOW after salvation, when one is SAVED, ...but are NOT required BEFORE salvation...that would be liKe saying Jesus did not do enough on that cross for us....and we have to now add our stinkin works ALSO , in order to get saved !!!
NOPE!!! It is THRU ACCEPTING AND BELIEVING ON THE SON JESUS ONLY, that we SAVED , and now are abe to get to the FATHER ..... NO OTHER WAY!!!! AND BTW, GOD ALSO KNOWS WHAT YOU THINK OF HIS SON.... GOD KNOWS IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE HIM TO BE WHO HE REALLY SAYS HE IS... OR.... IF YOU ARE JUST BELIEVING IN YOUR OWN MADE UP VERSION OF WHO YOU THINK HIS SON IS(talking to you now, Cowboy) !!!!!!
And Yes, Jesus prayed to the Father while on Earth...but JESUS IS BACK WITH THE FATHER NOW, WITH ALLLLLL HIS GLORY. The Father , Son and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in ONE GOD. ONE ENTITY !!! NOT THREE ENTITIES..BUT ONE. ONE GOD...BUT 3 PERSONS IN ONE GOD. And No...God is NOT just ONe peRson EITHER....but 3 persons in ONE GOD ALMIGHTY(many places in scripture verify this and also many scriptures verify the DEITY of Chrsit Jesus....look them up ). BEFORE trying to decipher God's Word is why one needs to BELIEVE AND ACCEPT God's Son JESUS ....FIRST.....so that the Holy Spirit CAN come and INDWELL that believer's life now, so that the believer NOW CAN TRULY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD!!! OTHERWISE.....ALL A PERSON WILL HAVE, IS HIS/HER OWN OPINION OR INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD, RATHER THAN THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVEN INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD. WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLS A BELIEVER , THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL LEAD AND GUIDE THAT BELIEVER INTO ALL TRUTH.....AND THAT BELIEVER NOW WILL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF THE SHEPHERD; BUT WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF A STRANGER ,AND WILL FLEE FROM IT !!! Shared from the heart with Love...cause it is time that religious bullcrap stop on here..and JESUS be lifted up now. JESUS...THE NAME ABOVE EVERY NAME......whom the Father gave ALLLLLL Glory to....because of what Jesus did on that cross at calvary...for us all!!! JESUS.......THE ONLY NAME ,BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED !!!!! AMEN.
Morning song. who are you trying to save? Yahshua said he did his Fathers will ( not his own ) The disciples did not have the NT when they were alive. When they spoke they spoke the spiritual meaning of the WORD. Yahshua is the WORD which includes the law. whyich commandments are we able to break? and I mean willingly. If thier is no other name ...ie.. Acts 4:12 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." NKJV and you even admit its Yahshua.. what gives you or anyone else the right to say they believe by using another name? can you show any instance? can you know the 3rd commandment that has been thrown away? Yahshua means literally Yahweh saves or Yahweh is Salvation Blessings..Miles And that is because Jesus IS EQUALLY God WITH the Father. That scripture makes that clear....and many otheers ..that the Father and Son are EQUALLY God...as also is the 3rd person of the One Godhead , the Holy Spirit, also equally God...BUT.... 3 persons within ONE GODhead, making up just ONE GOD ALMIGHTY !! Miles...it is stil the person of the SON( God the Son ) however, who died on that cross for us...NOT the person of the Father(God the Father)..but again...the Son IS Equally God WITH the Father!!!! There is ONLY ONE GOD we serve ..ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.....but there are 3 persons IN ONE GOD.
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MorningSong
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If you want to call Jesus Yahshua ,or Yeshua(as some
others in the hebrew Name Movement call Jesus...and argue amongst themselves also... )...then that is fine..but I
call Him JESUS .... and God is FINE with that. And otheer countries call out to JESUS in THEIR own language....and God is fine with that too!!! God has NO problem with what language we use, when we call on the NAME of His Son .....cause God ain't interested in a bunch of legalistic religiousity hocus pocus nonsense(which just binds people up in legalism , after Jesus has already set them free ).
Again.. what God IS more concerned with is..... have we asked His SON into our heart!!! But God DOES KNOW, however, IF we are talking about HIS SON or not....when we call upon His Name.....cause God KNOWS and SEEES the HEART!!!!!
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If you want to call Jesus Yahshua ,or Yeshua(as some others in the hebrew Name Movement call Jesus...and argue amongst themselves also... )...then that is fine..but I
call Him JESUS .... and God is FINE with that. And otheer countries call out to JESUS in THEIR own language....and God is fine with that too!!! God has NO problem with what language we use, when we call on the NAME of His Son .....cause God ain't interested in a bunch of legalistic religiousity hocus pocus nonsense(which just binds people up in legalism , after Jesus has already set them free ).
Again.. what God IS more concerned with is..... have we asked His SON into our heart!!! But God DOES KNOW, however, IF we are talking about HIS SON or not....when we call upon His Name.....cause God KNOWS and SEEES the HEART!!!!!
Morningsong.. lets just say for an instance that your parents named you Jane Smith. now if you are traveling in another country what would they call you? Shalom..Miles |
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To say Jane Smith in another language would not
change the name...the name would just be spoken in a different language. |
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To say Jane Smith in another language would not change the name...the name would just be spoken in a different language. so by what you say its ok if i say Elmer Fudd is the creator of heaven and earth then its ok because he says so and does not care what I call him |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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To say Jane Smith in another language would not change the name...the name would just be spoken in a different language. so by what you say its ok if i say Elmer Fudd is the creator of heaven and earth then its ok because he says so and does not care what I call him Like I said, saying Jesus in any other language does NOT change His NAME!!. JESUS is the SAME in Every language!!!! Jesus is the SAME...yesterdy, today, and forever. There is only ONE NAME by which man can be saved. That NAME IS JESUS !!!!!! English say that Name of Jesus in the English language. French say the Name Jesus in their language. Hebrews say the Name of Jesus in their language. Greeks say the Name of Jesus in their language. Spanish say the Name of Jesus in their language. JESUS IS THE NAME ABOVD EVERY NAME... but jut spoken in a different lsnguage. But it is still the SAME NAME of JESUS ( not Elmer Fudd), spoken in every language. We DON'T CHANGE the NAME...different countries just pronounce the SAME NAME of JESUS in their own language@!!! AND GOD SEES AND KNOWS WHOSE NAME YOU MEAN IN YOUR HEART.....WHEN YOU CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD!!! Please understand. after this, I will not continue on with silly nonsense.
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I guess a person really needs to believe in the jealous God of Abraham before they can even begin to support such an egotistical Jesus.
For me, the greatest irony of the whole god-forsaken religion is the fact that there are probably very few, if any, Christians who would actually support a religion that is entirely based on the Old Testament. The thing that attracts so many people to the idea of Jesus is precisely because Jesus did away with all the stupidity and violence that was in the Old Testament. Take away Jesus, and you've basically got the Taliban. If Jesus was a "savior" at all it was only because he was trying to "save" people from a hideous religion. Too bad it backfired and became a religion that merely uses Jesus as an excuse to support the very things that Jesus himself was trying to get people to rise above. ~~~~~ Jesus as a mortal man who tried to save men from a hideous religion would be a respectable person. Jesus as a demigod born of a virgin and sent as the sacrificial lamb of the God of the Taliban is not respectable at all. So as far as I'm concerned Jesus is only respectable if he wasn't the "only begotten son" of any God. As a demigod he sucks, IMHO. Not to mention the fact that his supposedly heavenly Father would have been a far less respectable. ~~~~~~ Of all the events in all of history I wish the world could indeed know the true story of Jesus. I wonder how many "Christians" would support Jesus as a mortal man? Probably not many. They would probably rather crucify him all over again instead for not being a demigod. That's the truly sad part. Christians desperately NEED for Jesus to be a demigod. Anything short of that and they would have nothing at all to do with him. |
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MorningSong
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AND BY THE WAY, GOD ALSO SEES AND KNOWS IF YOU ARE
CALLING UPON THE REAL JESUS OR A FALSE JESUS. THERE ARE MANY FALSE CHRISTS ALREADY IN THE WORLD. GOD SEES THE HEART.....AND KNOWS .... IF ONE IS TRULY BELIEVING IN CHRIST JESUS GOD'S SON ...OR , IN SOME OTHER CHRIST...... SUCH AS A CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS, FOR INSTANCE. OR, IF ONE IS MERELY BELEIVING JESUS TO BE JUST SOME LOWER "god", BUT NOT GOD.(in other words, Denying the DEITY of ChRist Jesus, by denying that Jesus IS EQUALLY God WITH the Father ).
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