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..............Question: "What is the meaning of those who were raised to life at Jesus’ death (Matthew 27:52-53)?"...............
Answer: Matthew 27:50-53 records, “And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.” This event occurred as a testimony to the immortal power ascribed to Jesus Christ alone (1 Timothy 6:14-16). Only God has the power of life and death (1 Samuel 2:6; Deuteronomy 32:29). Therefore, the resurrection is the cornerstone of Christianity. All other religions and their respective leaders do not serve a risen Lord. By overcoming death, Jesus Christ immediately receives precedence because He came back to life when everyone else did not. The resurrection has given us a reason to tell others about Him and place trust in God (1 Corinthians 15:14). The resurrection has given us assurance that our sins are forgiven (1 Corinthians 15:17). Paul clearly says in this verse that no resurrection equals zero forgiveness of our sins. And, finally, the resurrection has given us a reason to have hope today (1 Corinthians 15:20-28). If Christ was not raised from the dead, then Christians would be no better off spiritually than non-Christians. But the fact is that God did raise "Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification" (Romans 4:24-25). The raising of the saints fits into the overall rhetorical devices and strategies used by Matthew in his gospel. Examining Ezekiel 37 and the bones raised to life in connection with this story reveals that an Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled in the raising of these saints. Additionally, the raising of the saints relates directly to the coming kingdom. The raising of a few and not all of the saints shows that Jesus has power to resurrect, but also points forward to the second coming and judgment of Jesus Christ, which will include all those whose names are written in the Book Life by faith in the grace of God. Knowing that Jesus has died and conquered death through His resurrection ought to hasten our desire to repent and trust Him alone for salvation so we too can one day be resurrected “in the twinkling of an eye” (1 Corinthians 15:52). |
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Some saints also arose???
Cool! Zombies! |
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My church is VERY contemporary, and fun. We start out singing very upbeat, almost Rock music, the band is VERY talented, and my church is big, and gets very crowded, and EVERYONE stands, and EVERYONE sings. So its very moving as well, than we greet the people around us, than we watch a video,(wellmade, fun videos, that portray the happenings in, or concerning religion), and than our pastor, who is totally hilarious, talks to us, teaches us, and makes us laugh our butts off in the process. He is 60, but is extremely hip, and cool. Than we do offerings and pray, and than our pastor continues to talk until service is over, and sometimes has people come up, and share testimony. Its always different stuff, every Sunday, always fun, always funny, and its just about my favorite place to be. Of course, I feel loved by Christ all of the time, but I feel (for some reason) that he receives my love towards him, more when im in the church. I sing to him, I praise him, I worship him, and I feel his presence more in church, than not in church. Maybe because im still a baby Christian. I just wonder, how I ever lived life, before I started going to church. I GET ALOT FROM CHURCH, that I was missing out on, before I started to attend. I will be doing an audition, this month, to be in the choir. THATS WHERE I REALLY WANNA BE. I was in choir at my last church, and we even went to other churches, and sang, and it was not only fun, but very fullfilling as well, to share our praise music, and to hear theirs. There is nothing better, for me, personally, than "rockin for the rock". God Bless All! Sounds pretty cool. A church that makes worshiping into a party with lots of singing might be fun. And a preacher who uses humor in his sermons would be fun too. I think George Carlin would have made a good preacher too, except he would probably a bit too honest. New Age Christianity really has no choice but to start making services fun and enjoyable events if it's going to survive. And doing away with the concept of hell for humans like Cowboy does makes it far more palatable too. I wonder if anyone has ever taken a survey of how many denominations believe in hell for humans, and how many reject the concept. Also, how many churches within a specific denomination are actually in agreement on that point. I know that Bishop Carlton Pearson got in hot water for renouncing the concept of Hell within his denomination. The Catholic Church firmly stands behind the concept of hell for humans, and they totally renounce the forms of protestantism that reject hell for humans as being afraid to commit to the scriptures (At least that's their stance). The Catholic Church often changes what it stands for too though, so who knows when they'll finally decide to give up on hell to make the religion more attractive. Clearly religions are evolving along with everything else I guess. By the way, I see they moved your bible study thread to the Christians forum. I guess they don't want that thread to become a huge argument over various interpretations of scriptures, especially offered by x-Christians like myself who might have alternative views, or comments to make about people being turned into pillars of salt by an angry God. I wonder if anyone ever wrote a gospel tune about that. That sounds like it could make an interesting Rock Song. "Lots of Salt for Lot's Wife!" Boy, I sure I could have some fun writing lyrics for that one. Don't look back! Don't look back! Sodom and Gomorrah is under attack! Run for your life! Cling to your wife! It'll be your fault, if she's turned into salt! Sounds like a nursery rhyme. This wonderful ability to LAUGH and LOVE. ... This is what I LOVE about LUV. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Mon 10/03/11 08:47 PM
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Miles wrote: Luke 16:22 continues, "The rich man also died and was buried," meaning both the beggar and rich man died and were put in graves. Both await the resurrection. So there is no difference between the rich and the poor--death comes to us all, even to animals, Psalm 49:14.
Scriptures say simply, Abraham is dead. In John 8:52 the Jews remarked to Yahshua, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham is dead and the prophets, and you say, 'If a man keep My sayings he shall never taste of death.' Are you greater than our father Abraham who is dead? And the prophets are dead? Who do you make yourself?" Yahshua ignored their question. Surely if Abraham were in heaven here was a perfect chance to straighten them out and say that Abraham is not really buried but that he is up in heaven somewhere or that his soul is in heaven. However, He said nothing of the sort. He simply went on to say that Abraham could foresee Yahshua's day and rejoice in it. Miles... BEFORE Jesus became INCARNATE , Abraham and all others who were accounted as being righteous, went to PARADISE....or the "Bosom of Abraham" , after they DIED. NOT HEAVEN YET. Remember when Jesus was on that cross, He told the good thief," THIS DAY, you shall see me in PARADISE. Jesus said,"THIS DAY". But also remember, Jesus walked on this earth for 40 days BEFORE he finally ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN. So ..point being, Jesus descended into hades/sheol, where a place called Paradise also was located(paradise was the holding place of all those who believed and were counted as righteous before Christ time on earth )...and Jesus TOOK all those in paradise, UP TO HEAVEN WITH HIM. And since Jesus has ASCENDED BACK UP INTO HEAVEN, when Believers die now, they also go straight to heaven. HOWEVER,, our PHYSICAL bodies will NOT be in heaven UNTIL GOD RESSURRRECTS OUR PHYSICAL BODIES at a later time....and of course, that time is yet to come. (However please notice in matthew 27: 51-53: "Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour." "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and CAME OUT OF THE GRAVES AFTER HIS RESSURRECTION, and went into the holy city and appeared unto many." So....at Jesus's ressurrection, some saints that were asleeep ALSO AROSE ..... Wow...... P.S .... Oh....and Miles....as far as the rest of this post that you shared here, is concerned? I say this in all seriousness now... Once again as before, I did not sense the leading of Holy Spirit in this post you just shared , either. Not one bit. u sound like those who hated Yahshua.. thats what they said to him. like i said you can say what you want.. i have studied and proved what i believe to myself. i/us believe you show love and thats what is right. degrading people is not what we are all about.. like Yahshua said don't believe me believe my works. To heal the brokenhearted and to wipe the eyes of those who cry is the sum of the matter.. Blessings..Miles |
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Miles...that Believers are able to recognize that
the Holy Spirit was not leading the author , in the post you shared earlier, was in no ways meant as a put down. Please know that. Be Blessed now, Miles. |
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Tue 10/04/11 07:57 AM
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Some saints also arose??? Cool! Zombies! This wonderful ability to LAUGH and LOVE. ...
This is what I LOVE about LUV. Hehe. |
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Who put theses two words together?
hades/sheol one is the 'grave'... i.e. a place where the dead are BURIED AND SEALED AFTER DEATH. Hades is not in the bible. It is a word from a diferent language and TIME. as far as the actual concept HELL. there is only one place where it is mentioned in the bible. (old and new testement)... and is reserved for PURE EVIL ALONE. When you read your english bible... You are reading an altered word. For they have taken every mention of the grave and consequences (no matter the true meaning in each sentence)... and applied the lable HELL to those concepts... at my count there are 70 + mentions of "hell" that are actually (in the language of the time of concept) mostly mistranslations of the concept 'grave'... Yet once again a thing becomes a 'truth' to the generations following because each generation blindly accepts the 'tainting' of the word by the generation before... |
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That is why I don't trust a book that has been translated so many times. It has lost a lot of meaning.
Trust the truth within. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Tue 10/04/11 02:00 PM
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That is why I don't trust a book that has been translated so many times. It has lost a lot of meaning. Trust the truth within. Truly. All these untrustworthy confused texts do is cause arguments. In fact that is ALL we ever see. People arguing over Christianity or the Abrahamic religions in general. The Jews, Muslims, Catholics, and the myriad of disagreeing Protestants all arguing continually with each other over their own highly confused and ambiguous doctrines. And the poor atheists and people of other faiths have to live in this world with this argumentative confused Abrahamic zealots. They talk about "righteousness" and "justice", but totally FAIL to understand LOVE. Just go with LOVE and flush those ancient doctrines down the drain. They aren't doing anyone any good at all. |
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All you need is love.
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