how are they not accurate? the point was they are in the bible and can be taken as representative of what all christians therefore MUST condone

just like what is done with the Quran

No, the bible has been considered historucally innaccurate by top religios scholars and people at the vatican.

The Quran on the other hand is historically accurate because it was written by Mohammud.

this made no sense

the account of those who wrote the bible has been CONSIDERED inaccurate , but Mohammuds accounts have not?

doubtful

Nope, they have not been considered innacurate by Islamic scholars. It was written and passed down by Mohammud himself. Where the bible was written by religious scholars 300 years after he died.

without getting into the history of biblical writings,,

what does that have to do with whether a muslim american should be just as free to have religious objections as a chistian american without being labeled a 'traitor' or having the charge of 'treason' thrust upon them,,,?

mohammed wrote many things in the Quran, amazingly millions of muslims around the world somehow get a message of peace from those things where as others get a message of non tolerance and violence

JUST LIKE THE BIBLE which is followed and studied by millions of christians

It doesn't but you decided to take this conversation in that direction.

The point is he can't hide behond Islam to get out of going to war, especially since top Muslim groups here in the US and outside the US have said that he can't and no where in their religion says he can't.

He wants to get our for political reasons, because he doesn't agree with our two wars. Tough $hit, he signed up when we were in the middle of two wars and he wen't into the ellite Airborne Unit where he is traied to kill, and he knew that joining the Airborne.

He wased time and money and took up spots that could have been filled by someone else. He has refused to deploy to the point where they have skipped over him, Thait in itself is a crime and he is lucky they didn't charge him with it while he files this.

it is NOT a crime, they have a whole PROCESS set up for just that purpose in the military,,,,,good grief

since when do 'top Muslim groups here in the US and outside the US have said' dictate military procedure?

They can be called by the Military Prosecutor as expert witnesses. Yes the military does have a system for criminal activity and refusing to depoy is a serious felony and has a minimum sentance of 15 months in the Brig.

So this thread went most of them do. No big deal. It is still relevent in some way usually.

I got ready to say...show me one topic in this forum over 3 pages that doesn't!

No doubt, but they almost always have relevence in some way.

true you can always trace it back to the topic...........until people start adding religious views to it, then it loses all credibility in my book.

Or serious personal beliefs, or name calling.

The only reason this made it to the State run Media is to make this coward, who happens to be a Muslim seem a little more special than an ordinary coward.

Yup. I hope he's prosecuted.

wait, did the article say he has REFUSED to deploy or that he is seeking a discharge? refusing deployment is an offense, applying for a discharge is not

see below:

The article said he is seeking CO status but that he would probably refuse to deploy if his CO status is denied.

from the Wiki

"A 1971 United States Supreme Court decision, Gillette v. United States, broadened U.S. rules beyond religious belief but denied the inclusion of objections to specific wars as grounds for conscientious objection.[40]

Currently, the U.S. Selective Service System states, "Beliefs which qualify a registrant for conscientious objector status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims."[41] In the US, this applies to primary claims, that is, those filed on initial SSS registration. On the other hand, those who apply after either having registered without filing, and/or having attempted or effected a deferral, are specifically required to demonstrate a discrete and documented change in belief, including a precipitant, that converted a non-CO to a CO. The male reference is due to the current "male only" basis for conscription in the United States.

In the United States, there are two main criteria for classification as a conscientious objector. First, the objector must be opposed to war in any form, Gillette v. United States, 401 U.S. 437. Second, the objection must be sincere, Witmer v. United States, 348 U.S. 375. That he must show that this opposition is based upon religious training and belief was no longer a criterion after cases broadened it to include non-religious moral belief, United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 and Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 333. COs willing to perform non-combatant military functions are classed 1-A-O by the U.S.; those unwilling to serve at all are 1-O."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector#United_States

"Desmond Doss was the first of three conscientious objectors who agreed to serve in the US military in non-combatant roles and were subsequently awarded the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military decoration"

well, I hope he obtains non combatant position if worse comes to worse,,shame to force him to die for something he doesnt believe in,,,,,

Well I wouldn't want him in my unit. In fact I wouldn't have his back because he dang sure hasn't got mine.

I think the whole excuse is pretty lame, (if it wasn't planned which I'm not getting into right now). What the hell did he think he was trained for, to push pencils? Every unit in combat is supposed to run like a machine. Everyone has a job, there is no room for a pansy moral indecision like, "Gee, he is a sniper for the enemy but he is the same religion as me, I am not sure I can......" While he was being indecisive, 2 or 3 of his comrades and himself were killed by that same sniper because he hesitated and had a(lol)tender moment.