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Topic: U.S. Soldier, Citing His Muslim Religion, Seeks Conscientiou
Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Wed 09/15/10 02:43 AM
I say, send petitions to revoke his request and send him in with his Unit. Teach him what it's like to live with adult decisions and follow through with commitments. lets force the married to stay married to while we are at it,,, No relevance. He signed two contracts, one for the army then one for the Airborne. He's done.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Wed 09/15/10 02:44 AM
with the anti muslim sentiment going on, I hope he gets a general discharge and moves on with his life I know people coming out of juvie for actual CRIMES who dont get this type of slack about it,,,he is young and I hope it turns out well for him and that he isnt punished for choosing peace(whether he chose it at 19 or at 20, at least he chose it) No, Doshonorable and Federal Proson time, PERIOD.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Wed 09/15/10 02:45 AM
If your application is approved, you will be discharged (or reclassified as a non-combatant if that's what you applied for). Normally COs get an honorable discharge, the characterization is based on your military service record. You would also be eligible for all veterans benefits you earned, based on your length of service and characterization of discharge. http://www.girightshotline.org/discharges/co/fact-sheet/index.shtml Not in this situation, and I will fight this with every political muscle I have in me.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Wed 09/15/10 03:05 AM
Bump.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 09/15/10 08:41 AM
If your application is approved, you will be discharged (or reclassified as a non-combatant if that's what you applied for). Normally COs get an honorable discharge, the characterization is based on your military service record. You would also be eligible for all veterans benefits you earned, based on your length of service and characterization of discharge. http://www.girightshotline.org/discharges/co/fact-sheet/index.shtml Not in this situation, and I will fight this with every political muscle I have in me.

jamesfortville Joined Tue 12/25/07 Posts: 151	Thu 09/16/10 03:08 PM
It's been fifty years since I was in the army and there have been a lot of changes but he cannot be deployed. Give hem a general discharge and send him home, then have an investigation to find out what kind of outside influence lead him to his decision.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Thu 09/16/10 03:24 PM
If your application is approved, you will be discharged (or reclassified as a non-combatant if that's what you applied for). Normally COs get an honorable discharge, the characterization is based on your military service record. You would also be eligible for all veterans benefits you earned, based on your length of service and characterization of discharge. http://www.girightshotline.org/discharges/co/fact-sheet/index.shtml Not in this situation, and I will fight this with every political muscle I have in me. You may think it's funny, but being a US Congressman is my next door neighbor, I think there is a shot.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Thu 09/16/10 03:26 PM
It's been fifty years since I was in the army and there have been a lot of changes but he cannot be deployed. Give hem a general discharge and send him home, then have an investigation to find out what kind of outside influence lead him to his decision. No, at the very least, a Dishonorable. Cause if you get one of those now you can never own or posess a firearm thanks to the Brady Law.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/16/10 03:28 PM
If your application is approved, you will be discharged (or reclassified as a non-combatant if that's what you applied for). Normally COs get an honorable discharge, the characterization is based on your military service record. You would also be eligible for all veterans benefits you earned, based on your length of service and characterization of discharge. http://www.girightshotline.org/discharges/co/fact-sheet/index.shtml Not in this situation, and I will fight this with every political muscle I have in me. You may think it's funny, but being a US Congressman is my next door neighbor, I think there is a shot. anything is possible,, I will use all my political clout too to see he isnt treated any differently than any other who has sought a discharge under CO status,,,

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Thu 09/16/10 03:40 PM
If your application is approved, you will be discharged (or reclassified as a non-combatant if that's what you applied for). Normally COs get an honorable discharge, the characterization is based on your military service record. You would also be eligible for all veterans benefits you earned, based on your length of service and characterization of discharge. http://www.girightshotline.org/discharges/co/fact-sheet/index.shtml Not in this situation, and I will fight this with every political muscle I have in me. You may think it's funny, but being a US Congressman is my next door neighbor, I think there is a shot. anything is possible,, I will use all my political clout too to see he isnt treated any differently than any other who has sought a discharge under CO status,,, He doesn't qualify as a CO, every top Muslimadvocacy groups has stated that. Just because you watch CNN doesn't mean you have Political Clout.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/16/10 05:18 PM Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/16/10 05:20 PM
If your application is approved, you will be discharged (or reclassified as a non-combatant if that's what you applied for). Normally COs get an honorable discharge, the characterization is based on your military service record. You would also be eligible for all veterans benefits you earned, based on your length of service and characterization of discharge. http://www.girightshotline.org/discharges/co/fact-sheet/index.shtml Not in this situation, and I will fight this with every political muscle I have in me. You may think it's funny, but being a US Congressman is my next door neighbor, I think there is a shot. anything is possible,, I will use all my political clout too to see he isnt treated any differently than any other who has sought a discharge under CO status,,, He doesn't qualify as a CO, every top Muslimadvocacy groups has stated that. Just because you watch CNN doesn't mean you have Political Clout. perhaps it isnt watching cnn that gives me 'clout'? just because ones neighbor is a congressman means about as much as my 'clout' does and every muslim group has not stated he doesnt qualify, as muslim groups are not experts on military procedures and policies,,,

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 01/04/11 11:29 PM
Now his family out up a donation and information site in his defense. I read they are getting more hate mail then anything else.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 01/07/11 11:23 PM
Awwwww, his friends and family have set up a website begging for money to help this traitor.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 01/08/11 01:46 AM
seems a 'traitor' would just go awol instead of following the proper respectful PROCEDURES involved in such a request,,,, the procedure is in place for a reason, they can grant it or request it, but he has done what was required of him(unlike a traitor)

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 01/08/11 10:24 AM
wow, a twenty year old confused about the concept of dying for country is an *******? I know many young people who are DUPED by recruiters selling them pipe dreams, I wouldn't be so assured that he had a TRUE understanding of things when he enlisted,,,, my sons father enlisted STRAIGHT out of high school, and the navy recruiter told him he would NOT have to go on a ship(he never liked water).........kids are not always sophisticated or worldy just because they turn eighteen, they trust whatever an adult has told them sometimes,,,,this kid probably DIDNT actually think through the big picture in that millisecond it took to sign his name, he PROBABLY was focused on the nice perks the recruiters sell,like having an education paid for,,,enlistment bonuses,,,etc,,,, its the recruiters job to SELL the idea to the kids and thats exactly what they do,,,,, Come on! We have an all volunteer military. If anyone volunteers and doesn't expect the possibility of death then perhaps they would be better off trying to get a mental discharge. How could anyone be so disillusioned?

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 01/08/11 10:30 AM
The guy is just a coward, plain and simple. not in my book, he is a young man who doesn't want to kill Physical bravery is an animal instinct; moral bravery is much higher and truer courage. Wendell Phillips The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity. Robert Anthony Then he shouldn't have joined Airborne, the trained killers! I hate to be so picky since it appears we are both on the same side in this debate, but Airborne- Trained killers? Airborne is but a short jump school. All MOS's can be airborne. Infantry are trained killers. Airborne Infantry are trained killers who also jump from airplanes. Once they are on the ground they are no more than light Infantry.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 01/08/11 10:31 AM
Too bad they don't shoot cowards anymore.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 01/08/11 10:40 AM
It's been fifty years since I was in the army and there have been a lot of changes but he cannot be deployed. Give hem a general discharge and send him home, then have an investigation to find out what kind of outside influence lead him to his decision. ****, Send him to the shittiest forward position you can find and make him pointman on every patrol.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 01/08/11 11:34 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 01/08/11 11:36 AM
wow, a twenty year old confused about the concept of dying for country is an *******? I know many young people who are DUPED by recruiters selling them pipe dreams, I wouldn't be so assured that he had a TRUE understanding of things when he enlisted,,,, my sons father enlisted STRAIGHT out of high school, and the navy recruiter told him he would NOT have to go on a ship(he never liked water).........kids are not always sophisticated or worldy just because they turn eighteen, they trust whatever an adult has told them sometimes,,,,this kid probably DIDNT actually think through the big picture in that millisecond it took to sign his name, he PROBABLY was focused on the nice perks the recruiters sell,like having an education paid for,,,enlistment bonuses,,,etc,,,, its the recruiters job to SELL the idea to the kids and thats exactly what they do,,,,, Come on! We have an all volunteer military. If anyone volunteers and doesn't expect the possibility of death then perhaps they would be better off trying to get a mental discharge. How could anyone be so disillusioned? how? youthful ignorance? just like how so many have unprotected sex,,,they KNOW death or pregnancy are huge possibilities, but they believe 'not me' it would make no sense to have an option that was going to cause someone a PENALTY for taking,, CO is a legitimate option offered by the military, it shouldnt be used to incriminate this person in any way so long as he follows the proper procedures,,,

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 01/08/11 11:46 AM
Mommas don't raise your babies to be stupid. The US Military is to protect our country and citizens from extreme threat. That might mean death. It is not possible to misinterpret this possible sacrifice.