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so what you are saying is "yes, yes infact the serial killer would be in heaven and his victim in hell" Ya, I can't follow an egotistical God like that, that would do such a vengeful thing .... I can go about my life knowing I made the right choice. Why are you asking? You already made yourself judge & jury in your "assumption" that God is egotistical. If you believe in a spirit world then what "spirit" are you worshipping? That's why God demands purity in worship. There are spirits attached to all that. I'm asking because I'm an open minded individual, and can see the forest for the trees, and this is one of my major hang ups in life about Christianity.... No one yet has answered my question that would make me change my mind, and yes, I am willing to change it. You won't get an answer that will suit you because you're confused. Studying this religion & that one does that to people. Oh, people should only study and learn about one religion? |
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. However forcus is being taken off of the topic by questioning my spirituality... So it seems the concensus is "yes the murderer is in heaven and the victim is in hell" and that buddha, Ghandi, and all of the Dali Lahmas are in hell..... I'm even stronger in my convictions now... Thanks for all the info folks... I knew I had made the right choice in my life. Well apparently you already made your choice before you asked the question. Why would you want to be somehwere you wouldn't feel comfortable. Right? LOL Choices...always choices... |
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Edited by
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. Maybe then you should just post where you stand then asking worthless questions. Oh yeah! It's a better to sneak & take pot shots at people of faith than say what YOU believe. Right? 
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. However forcus is being taken off of the topic by questioning my spirituality... So it seems the concensus is "yes the murderer is in heaven and the victim is in hell" and that buddha, Ghandi, and all of the Dali Lahmas are in hell..... I'm even stronger in my convictions now... Thanks for all the info folks... I knew I had made the right choice in my life. Well apparently you already made your choice before you asked the question. Why would you want to be somehwere you wouldn't feel comfortable. Right? LOL Choices...always choices... I know this is a difficult concept for you... I asked because I was hoping somone could give me a better answer than I have ever gotten... You see a God who would allow a murderer in heaven and a victm in hell would not be a God I want to follow... (I do believe in Jesus, as a man who had wonderful teachings and spoke of love and tolerance) but his daddy ain't cutting it for me... So i asked in order to maybe clarify something that had maybe been misspoken or misconstrued to me.... apparently this is not the case and I did understand correctly.... So I can embrace jesus, but rebel god (that one at least) |
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If murderers and rapist, serial killers and generally corupt people can be forgiven....... Ill take my chances in hell.......
If there is one...... Far as I know, I could already be there!!!! People don't change...... People change their actions..... But people dont change........ |
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. However forcus is being taken off of the topic by questioning my spirituality... So it seems the concensus is "yes the murderer is in heaven and the victim is in hell" and that buddha, Ghandi, and all of the Dali Lahmas are in hell..... I'm even stronger in my convictions now... Thanks for all the info folks... I knew I had made the right choice in my life. Well apparently you already made your choice before you asked the question. Why would you want to be somehwere you wouldn't feel comfortable. Right? LOL Choices...always choices... I know this is a difficult concept for you... I asked because I was hoping somone could give me a better answer than I have ever gotten... You see a God who would allow a murderer in heaven and a victm in hell would not be a God I want to follow... (I do believe in Jesus, as a man who had wonderful teachings and spoke of love and tolerance) but his daddy ain't cutting it for me... So i asked in order to maybe clarify something that had maybe been misspoken or misconstrued to me.... apparently this is not the case and I did understand correctly.... So I can embrace jesus, but rebel god (that one at least) Good luck in your search... |
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. Maybe then you should just post where you stand then asking worthless questions. Oh yeah! It's a better to sneak & take pot shots at people of faith than say what YOU believe. Right?
Where I stand is that I will believe that which makes sense to my rational and fair mind...and please do show me where I have taken ONE pot shot at Christianity.... |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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"I know this is a difficult concept for you... I asked because I was hoping somone could give me a better answer than I have ever gotten... You see a God who would allow a murderer in heaven and a victm in hell would not be a God I want to follow... (I do believe in Jesus, as a man who had wonderful teachings and spoke of love and tolerance) but his daddy ain't cutting it for me... So i asked in order to maybe clarify something that had maybe been misspoken or misconstrued to me.... apparently this is not the case and I did understand correctly.... So I can embrace jesus, but rebel god (that one at least)"
 That was beautifully articulated by the OP
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. Maybe then you should just post where you stand then asking worthless questions. Oh yeah! It's a better to sneak & take pot shots at people of faith than say what YOU believe. Right?
You're angry because you can't answer the question according to your docterine that will put your God in a good light and yet stick with that you consider the Holiest of Holy... |
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Self righteousness is the gateway to heaven....... Just ask Hitler.......
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. However forcus is being taken off of the topic by questioning my spirituality... So it seems the concensus is "yes the murderer is in heaven and the victim is in hell" and that buddha, Ghandi, and all of the Dali Lahmas are in hell..... I'm even stronger in my convictions now... Thanks for all the info folks... I knew I had made the right choice in my life. Well apparently you already made your choice before you asked the question. Why would you want to be somehwere you wouldn't feel comfortable. Right? LOL Choices...always choices... I know this is a difficult concept for you... I asked because I was hoping somone could give me a better answer than I have ever gotten... You see a God who would allow a murderer in heaven and a victm in hell would not be a God I want to follow... (I do believe in Jesus, as a man who had wonderful teachings and spoke of love and tolerance) but his daddy ain't cutting it for me... So i asked in order to maybe clarify something that had maybe been misspoken or misconstrued to me.... apparently this is not the case and I did understand correctly.... So I can embrace jesus, but rebel god (that one at least) Out of interest, why do you feel that you need JC in your life? Humanism is an approach to life based on reason and our common humanity, recognising that moral values are properly founded on human nature and experience alone - Robert Ashby
Humanism is a positive attitude to the world, centred on human experience, thought, and hopes. Humanists believe that human experience and rational thinking provide the only source of both knowledge and a moral code to live by. |
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I know exactly who I am and where I stand in life, I am an eternal student.... I'm strong enough in my convictions to question other schools of thought. However forcus is being taken off of the topic by questioning my spirituality... So it seems the concensus is "yes the murderer is in heaven and the victim is in hell" and that buddha, Ghandi, and all of the Dali Lahmas are in hell..... I'm even stronger in my convictions now... Thanks for all the info folks... I knew I had made the right choice in my life. Well apparently you already made your choice before you asked the question. Why would you want to be somehwere you wouldn't feel comfortable. Right? LOL Choices...always choices... I know this is a difficult concept for you... I asked because I was hoping somone could give me a better answer than I have ever gotten... You see a God who would allow a murderer in heaven and a victm in hell would not be a God I want to follow... (I do believe in Jesus, as a man who had wonderful teachings and spoke of love and tolerance) but his daddy ain't cutting it for me... So i asked in order to maybe clarify something that had maybe been misspoken or misconstrued to me.... apparently this is not the case and I did understand correctly.... So I can embrace jesus, but rebel god (that one at least) Good luck in your search... So, why dont you answer her question? |
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Belushi- I don't necessarily need him in my life, but after reading what people have said that he said, I find it to be quite a nice addition to what I already believe. I'm willing to take that leap to accept that those were his words...
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Belushi- I don't necessarily need him in my life, but after reading what people have said that he said, I find it to be quite a nice addition to what I already believe. I'm willing to take that leap to accept that those were his words... See, now this is a fundamental problem I have with religion in general. I would assume you have morals. I will take a leap and guess you dont kill anyone, dont steal, you would like to think of yourself as thoughtful and considerate to others feelings. You would assist the elderly and the infirm if it was in your power to do so. You respect your fellow human beings and given the opportunity would work to provide for your family and you would raise your children to be the same. Would all that be fair to assume? These are the things that I strive for too. I have the moral fortitude to fight for the underprivileged. I have no need for any religious personalities in my life. I feel that they are more of a burden than a help. These choices I make are mine alone. I make them because I want to, not because someone else says they are right. I do these things and because of that society will label me as a moral person. No one will ever label me as religious. |
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Belushi- I don't necessarily need him in my life, but after reading what people have said that he said, I find it to be quite a nice addition to what I already believe. I'm willing to take that leap to accept that those were his words... See, now this is a fundamental problem I have with religion in general. I would assume you have morals. I will take a leap and guess you dont kill anyone, dont steal, you would like to think of yourself as thoughtful and considerate to others feelings. You would assist the elderly and the infirm if it was in your power to do so. You respect your fellow human beings and given the opportunity would work to provide for your family and you would raise your children to be the same. Would all that be fair to assume? These are the things that I strive for too. I have the moral fortitude to fight for the underprivileged. I have no need for any religious personalities in my life. I feel that they are more of a burden than a help. These choices I make are mine alone. I make them because I want to, not because someone else says they are right. I do these things and because of that society will label me as a moral person. No one will ever label me as religious. Right on!!!!!! |
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Due to my chosen religion, I don't get labeled "religious" people assume our morals are nill and our standards are low, what they don't understand and are afraid to see is that in actuality we have an ethics code that is out of this world.
"Harm none do what thou will" has more responsibility than any other "law" you can shake a stick at. It gives so much freedom that the responsibilities are endless. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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You are not refused entrance into heaven because of ignorance - but because of rebellion. You make my own points for me Eljay. To not believe in the Bible is not rebellion. Not believing in something is not rebellion. That's absurd. If you don't believe it then you just don't believe it. In order to rebel you'd have to believe that it's true and then refuse to obey it. But to not believe that it's true is not rebellion. This is where Christians really seem to lose it. It makes no sense to equate disbelief with rebellion. They aren't even close to being the same thing. ABSOLUTELY!! I rebelled against SANTA CLAUSE, THE EASTER BUNNY, THE TOOTH FAIRY. I'm really a rebellious person. I rebel against Unicorns. JB Come one come all and join the rebellion. Put an end to the myths that demand we believe in them. Here - let me remind you two of something... In Abra's "story" - he created a scenario of Heaven, Jesus is there and the girl is not. Why - he asked. Because she didn't want to be - I said. She was in rebellin to th Jesus of Abra's story. What has that got to do with Anything you've posted? Let us not forget that Abra's srory is a fairy tale as well. The whole idea is that to some people, if you do not believe in the story of Jesus or in Jesus, or that Jesus is God, then you are being rebellious. That is absurd. That is the point. Non belief is not rebellion. It is simply non belief. Period. It can only be considered rebellion IF some people took it upon themselves to insist that you believe and try to threaten you into believing or scare you into believing or saying that you believe. So they will tell you, "If you believe in Jesus, then you will be saved. BUT.. If you don't believe then you will end up in Hell." If you still don't believe, they say that you are rebelling against God and Jesus. But that is not true. If you are rebelling, it is against them who would force you or threaten you to believe. JB |
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Due to my chosen religion, I don't get labeled "religious" people assume our morals are nill and our standards are low, what they don't understand and are afraid to see is that in actuality we have an ethics code that is out of this world.
"Harm none do what thou will" has more responsibility than any other "law" you can shake a stick at. It gives so much freedom that the responsibilities are endless. Sounds like a pretty good edict ... Why would you want to change from that? |
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Due to my chosen religion, I don't get labeled "religious" people assume our morals are nill and our standards are low, what they don't understand and are afraid to see is that in actuality we have an ethics code that is out of this world.
"Harm none do what thou will" has more responsibility than any other "law" you can shake a stick at. It gives so much freedom that the responsibilities are endless. Sounds like a pretty good edict ... Why would you want to change from that? I won't change from that, but I'm all about adopting new thoughts into what I already believe...if it makes sense that is. |
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You won't get an answer that will suit you because you're confused. Studying this religion & that one does that to people. I truly mean no offense here...but, that above quote is, by far, one of the most ignorant and narrow-minded things I have ever heard/read in a forum. Knowledge = POWER! The art of "studying" is to provide answers, eliminate confusion, evoke enlightenment, challenge our minds, broaden our horizons...etc. To suggest one should not "seek answers and options" regarding their own path towards faith/spirituality/religion through studying is well...rather "cultish" sounding to me. Regarding the topic at hand, I'm not completely sold on this "heaven" and "hell" concept today. I do, however, believe we choose to either work in harmony with our soul's chosen destination for this life or not. Based upon this decision, we therefore create our own "heaven" and "hell" which flows with us into the so-called afterlife. |
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