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Edited by
Lily0923
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<--------- reads Klovesandiego's posts.
IN Egyptian mythology Anubis weighed the heart of a man against a feather and it was to be as light as one to get into Vlaqhalla. What you said goes along those lines. (and the Egyptians were around alot longer than the "christian mythos") 
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<--------- reads Klovesandiego's posts. IN Egyptian mythology Anubis weighed the heart of a man against a feather and it was to be as light as one to get into Vlaqhalla. What you said goes along those lines. (and the Egyptians were around alot longer than the "christian mythos")
Then, the question would be were they there longer then God? |
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<--------- reads Klovesandiego's posts. IN Egyptian mythology Anubis weighed the heart of a man against a feather and it was to be as light as one to get into Vlaqhalla. What you said goes along those lines. (and the Egyptians were around alot longer than the "christian mythos")
Then, the question would be were they there longer then God? Well if they were there previous to God, and they are still there, then yes, they have been there longer than God. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Fri 09/12/08 02:52 PM
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<--------- reads Klovesandiego's posts. IN Egyptian mythology Anubis weighed the heart of a man against a feather and it was to be as light as one to get into Vlaqhalla. What you said goes along those lines. (and the Egyptians were around alot longer than the "christian mythos")
Then, the question would be were they there longer then God? The Predynastic Period of Egypt (prior to 3100 BC) is traditionally the period between the Early Neolithic and the beginning of the Pharaonic monarchy beginning with King Narmer. I hate to be a stickler for the details but...yes before god and such |
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In the Bible it says that if you repent/get saved/ accept jesus as your saviour (however you want to put it) you will be allowed into heaven and say Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gayce on his death bed was saved/repented/ accepted Jesus as his saviour is he in heaven? and on the flip side would his victims if not given the chance to be saved/repent/accepted jesus as their saviour are they in hell? Well first of all you would need to buy into the concept of a heaven. Not everyone does. Nor is everyone a Christian and some Christians have little to no faith in heaven or they perceive it in another way entirely. The variables are endless. I know in prison they OFTEN push Christianity on the inmates. It’s a real pain in the ass if you want to know the truth. From what I have had explained to me, if you become a "thumper" inside and are not genuinely committed to the faith, you WILL most assuredly be singled out and given a beating. You see, devoutly religious people are very often left alone in a prison environment. So if the perception of the other prisoners is that you are using it to "cover" yourself, you will be addressing this issue with god probably a lot sooner than you had anticipated. Oh I'm not Christian and i don't believe in heaven and hell for me, but I'm wondering how this is infact conveyed in a Christian religion... I will accept a concept if presented correctly... I'm wanting someone to present it in a way that I can accept it.... I’m not Christian either.  So no, don’t look to me for that kind of thing. My feeling is there are no humans in the world "born evil" but there is most assuredly evil men and women who manage to do some horrible things to one another. I don’t believe in a hell or any kind of eternal purgatory or that you have to push giant boulders up steep mountains for a million years only to lose your footing every time you reach the pinnacle and have the rock tumble back down. Na. Nothing like that. I had hell described to me like that once.
My feeling is you really need to do the best you can here and now on Earth to enjoy this little bit of time that you have. I know that sounds simple but it is. Because say I get hit by a bus tomorrow crossing the street. If I wake up in "heaven" and everyone has wings on and flowing robes, I will know THEN that I screwed up but even then it wont matter as long as I had a nice life here. 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 09/13/08 03:54 AM
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I think that was a joke but I guess its difficult to hear sarcasm on here. Thanks for filling me in however.
 I have noticed that you have some pretty interesting takes on the scripture.  Was that an orgy between the serpent, Adam and Eve or was it separate? Hey I would buy that and it would make the story much more fun. I actually like that version. But alas, group sex was probably considered a little too Pagan at the time.
Angels also dont have wings? Michael does not have wings? I thought he was a "battle angel" and they were capable of flight? How do they fly if they dont have wings and why are they always depicted with wings? Thats false advertising! 
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I want my 72 virgins when I go to heaven.
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I want my 72 virgins when I go to heaven. 
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Answering whether or not the "bad" people are going to heaven is never an easy thought. I think that most people agree that these people do not deserve to go to heaven. However, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. One thing is, does anyone truly deserve to go to heaven? If heaven is this absolutely amazing place as a reward for those who are all-loving, pure, without fault...I don't think anyone would make it. I can barely get in the car without cussing someone out for cutting me off! While I realize road rage is a far cry from genocide and serial rapists, all forms of hatred stem from the same place. Until you can claim that you have never hurt anyone or yourself, or until you can claim that you are the epitomy of everything you were meant to be, I don't think any of us deserves heaven. With that said, I also still have a problem with a "death bed" conversion. But the Bible, in Romans, says that God is the ultimate judge. I trust that if God can create the world and everything in it, if he knows our hearts and what is best for us, then he will probably make a good bouncer at the gates of heaven! Couldn't have put it better, myself. That is essentially my take on the matter (if you read my earlier posts, you'll see). What I've been reading on here are what I see as semantics without pragmatic competence. I do not see this "getting into heaven business" as that complicated. I believe this idea should be viewed with a pragmatic approach, i.e., if we understand God as an all seeing, all knowing, omnipotent being, we cannot escape our life's deeds, dirty or otherwise, and thus cannot escape God's decision. It is ultimately His decesion, not ours. Therefore, uttering some vow of repentence in the eleventh hour will not erase what we have done for the entire of our life. To try to apply literal, linguistic interpretation to what is written in the Bible is faulty, in my opinion. This has been attempted by philpsophers for many years using deontic and symbolic logic. All this has produced is more and more sets of questions. Think about it. If we literally interpreted every word written in the Bible, we'd believe that we can walk on water, snakes and bushes can talk, and that we may live to 500 years old. The former are metaphors, and the latter can be understood as a simple temporal calculation difference from that time and the present. So, my contention is that our interpretation of what is written should be tempered with a degree of a priori knowledge--the simple inherent knowledge that God is always watching and keeping score (so to speak), and all we can do is hope our actions on Earth will favor our admittance into heaven. Ahem, I know some of you are licking your chops, now. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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A friend of mine owns an 8 foot Burmese Python. She never talked to me but I made the mistake of wearing a skirt over to his house one evening. Man, do they like "warm places". She made a b-line for my you know what and she was quite heavy. The largest pythons are always female. If you ever get around snakes, expect them to be unpredictable.
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A friend of mine owns an 8 foot Burmese Python. She never talked to me but I made the mistake of wearing a skirt over to his house one evening. Man, do they like "warm places". She made a b-line for my you know what and she was quite heavy. The largest pythons are always female. If you ever get around snakes, expect them to be unpredictable.
 
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In the Bible it says that if you repent/get saved/ accept jesus as your saviour (however you want to put it) you will be allowed into heaven and say Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gayce on his death bed was saved/repented/ accepted Jesus as his saviour is he in heaven? and on the flip side would his victims if not given the chance to be saved/repent/accepted jesus as their saviour are they in hell? Yes, the only "requirement" for entering heaven is to accept Jesus as your Savior. And as long as there is true repentance on the person's part, it does not matter who they are or what they did previously. I take issue with the "would his victims if not given the chance..." because everyone is given the chance. But if you do not accept Jesus, you do go to hell. And while I sometimes enjoy all of the back and forth that I read in this forum, the above is all that matters, truly. Not trying to offend anyone that does not believe, please. Just that all the other falls away. It boils down to this...Either you accept Jesus as your Savior and go to heaven or you refuse Him and go to hell. so if the victim was say Jewish and was raised Jewish and did not know about Christianity and was say 16 and still under the guidance of their parents and not exposed to any other religious beliefs that victim would go to hell and the serial killer would go to heaven? |
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In the Bible it says that if you repent/get saved/ accept jesus as your saviour (however you want to put it) you will be allowed into heaven and say Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gayce on his death bed was saved/repented/ accepted Jesus as his saviour is he in heaven? and on the flip side would his victims if not given the chance to be saved/repent/accepted jesus as their saviour are they in hell? Yes, the only "requirement" for entering heaven is to accept Jesus as your Savior. And as long as there is true repentance on the person's part, it does not matter who they are or what they did previously. I take issue with the "would his victims if not given the chance..." because everyone is given the chance. But if you do not accept Jesus, you do go to hell. And while I sometimes enjoy all of the back and forth that I read in this forum, the above is all that matters, truly. Not trying to offend anyone that does not believe, please. Just that all the other falls away. It boils down to this...Either you accept Jesus as your Savior and go to heaven or you refuse Him and go to hell. so if the victim was say Jewish and was raised Jewish and did not know about Christianity and was say 16 and still under the guidance of their parents and not exposed to any other religious beliefs that victim would go to hell and the serial killer would go to heaven? Does god card at the gates of heaven? What if I'm just shy of my 18th birthday but I have been a practicing Orthodox Jew up until then because my parents were and my entire family is. Will I now go to hell? What is the age of consent as it relates to the pearly gates and gaining access? |
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