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Eljay, Apparently, no matter how anyone who posts in this forum, how many times someone says this is how they believe and they alone, it seems you take something someone posts, place against some other line they post and make it into another whole statement they did NOT post. If I thought you were only doing this to me, maybe I would try to have more patience to explain over and over, as if I were talking to my 5 yr old grandson, about what MY belief is. Nothing I ever posted was to anything YOU posted until you pulled one of my statements out and twisted it. Maybe if I type in very very small sentences then maybe you will understand what I have typed and will not turn it around to say something else. So I'll leave you with three words. And no matter how you twist it, rephrase it, you can place it backwards or even upside down if you want...it will still remain. Read these three words one at a time and take all the time you need to comprehend them. GOD IS LOVE...oh wait let me do this FOR you. Let me turn those words around for you. LOVE IS GOD..is that better? But maybe for you I should pose it as a question and ask... IS LOVE GOD? wait..let me turn that around...so you'll have another question using still 3 words. Is GOD LOVE? Despite your evaluating my posts on how others respond to it, and your sense of how I post by what you've read on this thread (I'm sure you haven't read the more than 1,000 posts I've made to determine how you know my motivation for posting)... Repeating the three words over and over again has not adressed the question I've asked you - which you have totally ignored, and others are rallying around you feeling it necessary to defend you from doing so. Whatever. If you can't reconcile for yourself, (let alone my curiosity about it) how a God - who is Love, would communicate to his creation through the bible and allow it to run amok throughout time by the inneptness of the men transcribing it, that's fine with me. The question was not really that difficult. So what you are saying - I take it - is that man is capable of changing the bible at his whim because - well, God is love. |
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Edited by
Eljay
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Tue 09/09/08 03:42 PM
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I never noticed that one before.  You know of course Evian, that over priced designer bottled water is Naive backwards...
Now - that's a good one! Also, it is just water taken from the Detroit river and filtered. Yum. Or is it "aquafina" taken from the Detroit river. One of 'em. |
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Hmmm. Its apparent someone is having a temper tantrum here and running a muck. Well whenever you feel like sobering up and actually writing in a cohesive manner, let us know. By the way, my post still stands if you feel like responding. I dont think a bunch of crude insults will qualify as rebuttal.
Or you can go ahead and delete your last post to take my response out of context like you did on the Sodom and Gomorrah thread
As does mine. Have you finishd the N.T. yet? You could at least read that. The O.T. isn't going to give you the perspective you are missing on Christianity anyway, so the task is not an insurmountable one. Found purgatory in the scriptures yet? You have not responded thus far that I can see except a bunch of whining and gibbering like a parakeet. You have not written anything new that I can possibly respond to. What about you? Have you looked up the Cro-Magnon man yet? I dont see why I would not be allowed to use the term "purgatory"? That makes no sense. Are you now attempting to assert that your own interpretation of hell is somehow more viable and authentic than that of the Catholic Church? Let me fill you in on a little statistic sir if I may. Approximately 1 billion people are Catholic, at least through baptism even if they neglect its practice. This means 1 out of every 6 people on earth is a Catholic. And within that roll call of "a billion Catholics" you will find my name there. You can discuss "purgatory" all you want. What you cannot do - is claim it as a Christian tennet, until you find it described in the bible. Which - by the way, you won't. I can make this promise to you - I will not comment on Cro-magnon man until I do read about it. Right now - it is not on the top of my list of things to do. No doubt. I don't foresee any attempt being made here on your part to improve your understanding of the world around you through academic discipline nor endeavor. You still have not answered why I can not use the term "purgatory" as it relates to hell. You are simply diverting the issue again as you often do when you are stumped or you begin an argument. Not that it is relevant in this discussion but I never claimed it as a "Christian tenet". I used it to describe hell in my OWN post which I am entitled to do. Shall I call a priest up on the phone to referee this debate henceforth? Stop behaving in such a childish manner. What good would calling a priest do? Half of the one's Ive talked to haven't read the bible either. What makes you think Catholics are "christians" anyway? When you refered to "purgatory" - you didn't qualify your statement by refering to Catholics - you referenced "christians." Anyway... the term "purgatory" is not a christian tennet - it is a Catholic one. Unless you are refering to some other idea of Purgatory. Now - don't assume by this statement that I do not think Catholics can be christians - I'm asking YOU how you can be sure they are, since you are implying it. But you can determine that question to be rhetoric if you wish. This is the second time I have had to post this: "The word "purgatory" has come to refer also to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation, and is used, in a non-specific sense, to mean any place or condition of suffering or torment, especially one that is temporary." |
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Ejay, do you have a hobby? Do you leave the >l< out of my name on purpose? Hobby?... Life. Every now and then I work on movies. That's pretty much my hobby. |
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Ejay, do you have a hobby? Do you leave the >l< out of my name on purpose? Hobby?... Life. Every now and then I work on movies. That's pretty much my hobby. He's a semi retired troll. Just kidding
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The point is, I am entitled to use the term "purgatory" in my own post to describe hell. Not only did I refer to it as purgatory, I also described it as hell. Do I now need to spell it out for him via interpretive dance also?? He can pick and choose whichever term he finds suitable. He has STILL offered no cohesive argument nor rebuttal to my last post. Thats all on him at this point. Every time he can not answer a question, he throws tantrums Tribo. If it is such a problem now, he can simply take the word "purgatory": out of my post and replace it with "banana" or "hell" or whatever he would like. Just get to it already and answer the dam question. Projection is when we accuse others, of what is actually going on within our own soul. Krimsa....Eljay has been more than patient and kind....he does NOT have to "get to it" and answer any demands. But he has done so up to now anyway.... simply because he is a caring and decent soul..and a gentleman....... and does Not allow attacks towards him to bother him, simply because he is a bigger person than that. I hope you realize the jewel of a man that he truly is, and I hope you realize that he truly cares about you Krimsa....otherwise he would not even bother. So please..... consider being more respectful when addressing him from now on. Spoken in Love.... Once again, that would mean a hell of a lot more coming out of him. You see him with rose colored glasses simply because your perception of him is that "he's on your team". He has been quite aggressive with me in many instances. Just who here is being patient and understanding? Is my time worth nothing? Sheesh. |
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Yes well even parents give their children some leeway before they reign them in. Really? I don't, she is punished immediatly for her actions... LOL... WOW! You should read what you just wrote. God is mean in His punishments? How about YOU? LOL Now admit...that punishment is meant for good. 
I never said it was mean, you implied that it was. I want her to know exactly where I stand on the rules, and the rules are for her developement. YES! EXACTLY! ...just like God does. Now Now! Let's not keep biting the HAND that feeds us...will yu? So before you go poking nasty attitudes in someone elses eye you might want to try some humble pie first. 
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Quik, As far as your statement about my cop out answers and the shedding of INNOCENT blood... One of the 10 commandments is: Thou Shalt Not KILL. It doesn't say thou shalt know kill except, or thou shalt know kill unless...it says Thou Shalt Not Kill. No where in the Bible do I find any commandment God or Jesus made and then followed it by a BIG BUTT!! there yu go... so if someone was going to do harm to you or your family you would just let them???? Yeah! ...and I have a bridge to sell yu... ... the problem is people who can't tell the difference between killing & self defense... As I said in my post...or did you skip that part too. It just goes to show what happens when people don't get the fullness of wisdom. According to God's word that is... |
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Yes well even parents give their children some leeway before they reign them in. Really? I don't, she is punished immediatly for her actions... LOL... WOW! You should read what you just wrote. God is mean in His punishments? How about YOU? LOL Now admit...that punishment is meant for good.
I never said it was mean, you implied that it was. I want her to know exactly where I stand on the rules, and the rules are for her developement. YES! EXACTLY! ...just like God does. Now Now! Let's not keep biting the HAND that feeds us...will yu? So before you go poking nasty attitudes in someone elses eye you might want to try some humble pie first.
Where have I been nasty to anyone on this thread lady? I've seen you be nasty to many people on here... and what hand feeds me? |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Tue 09/09/08 04:31 PM
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Sorry got my smileys all mixed up |
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Yes well even parents give their children some leeway before they reign them in. Really? I don't, she is punished immediatly for her actions... LOL... WOW! You should read what you just wrote. God is mean in His punishments? How about YOU? LOL Now admit...that punishment is meant for good.
I never said it was mean, you implied that it was. I want her to know exactly where I stand on the rules, and the rules are for her developement. YES! EXACTLY! ...just like God does. Now Now! Let's not keep biting the HAND that feeds us...will yu? So before you go poking nasty attitudes in someone elses eye you might want to try some humble pie first.
   
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Yes well even parents give their children some leeway before they reign them in. Really? I don't, she is punished immediatly for her actions... LOL... WOW! You should read what you just wrote. God is mean in His punishments? How about YOU? LOL Now admit...that punishment is meant for good.
I never said it was mean, you implied that it was. I want her to know exactly where I stand on the rules, and the rules are for her developement. YES! EXACTLY! ...just like God does. Now Now! Let's not keep biting the HAND that feeds us...will yu? So before you go poking nasty attitudes in someone elses eye you might want to try some humble pie first.
Where have I been nasty to anyone on this thread lady? I've seen you be nasty to many people on here... and what hand feeds me? No...I'm not the nasty one. I'm just pointing out the obvious. I realize the truth hurts but Hey! Since it's all about you knock yourself out! |
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<----- no longer reads Quicksteppers posts either.
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<----- no longer reads Quicksteppers posts either. HMM?? i think what we have hear is a falure to comminicate. |
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Ejay, do you have a hobby? Do you leave the >l< out of my name on purpose? Hobby?... Life. Every now and then I work on movies. That's pretty much my hobby. He's a semi retired troll. Just kidding
Retire?! Never. |
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<----- no longer reads Quicksteppers posts either. HMM?? i think what we have hear is a falure to comminicate. I don't think anyone is communicating either. What does a falure sound like by the way. (who say's I've retired!) |
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<----- no longer reads Quicksteppers posts either. HMM?? i think what we have hear is a falure to comminicate. I don't think anyone is communicating either. What does a falure sound like by the way. (who say's I've retired!) same thing as comminicate. ok so i don't spell check big deal [failure + communicate] better?
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<----- no longer reads Quicksteppers posts either. HMM?? i think what we have hear is a falure to comminicate. I don't think anyone is communicating either. What does a falure sound like by the way. (who say's I've retired!) same thing as comminicate. ok so i don't spell check big deal [failure + communicate] better?
The best way to stop a failure in communication is to communicate correctly. Spelling is always a good place to start. However - if one is an abismal typer like myself - correct spelling goes out the window. |
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It's getting very testy in here.
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Answering whether or not the "bad" people are going to heaven is never an easy thought. I think that most people agree that these people do not deserve to go to heaven. However, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. One thing is, does anyone truly deserve to go to heaven? If heaven is this absolutely amazing place as a reward for those who are all-loving, pure, without fault...I don't think anyone would make it. I can barely get in the car without cussing someone out for cutting me off! While I realize road rage is a far cry from genocide and serial rapists, all forms of hatred stem from the same place. Until you can claim that you have never hurt anyone or yourself, or until you can claim that you are the epitomy of everything you were meant to be, I don't think any of us deserves heaven. With that said, I also still have a problem with a "death bed" conversion. But the Bible, in Romans, says that God is the ultimate judge. I trust that if God can create the world and everything in it, if he knows our hearts and what is best for us, then he will probably make a good bouncer at the gates of heaven!
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