Yes, you could call us pissed off atheists. Remember us? Your kind tried to kill us off years ago when our logic challenged the ground your "very" fairy tales where created upon. Don't mind us though, ignorance is bliss.

Eljay,

And before I answer your question, please let me make this clear, whatever you believe I respect and I have no desire to change anything you believe. It is your truth and it works for you. I only ask that you grant me the same respect.

Your question concerning do i believe in the God the bible describes or a different God...

For me, there is only ONE God. He/She may have many names and there may be many religious that call him/her by some other name then God. Still, for me, there is only ONE God, so your question is moot.

The God I believe in, is as the Bible says...God is LOVE. Again, I'll state, if I know LOVE then I know God and vice versa. The God I believe in knows each person's heart, I don't care what religion or non-religion they may follow. He/She loves them. God says he created us in his/her likeness, which TO ME...means I am capable of LOVE..on God's level, no, because it's also stated that we cannot look upon his face because we could not withstand the power of his LOVE. So if I am created in his/her image, I have the ability to love man/woman. I do not care what religion that man or woman is, I do not care what he/she calls her God for God is still LOVE. I can meet a muslim woman/man and I can love them because of who or what they are in their heart, I can love a agnostic because of who or what that person is, I can love an atheist because of what that person is, I can love a pagan because of what that person is...not because of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.

My PERSONAL belief is that all religions have some truth in them but no religion has all the truth..and I am talking about religion not GOD.

My God is more powerful then any MAN, or any EVIL that might persists in this world. My God is more powerful then me or anything I might think, do or say. I am here to simply LOVE another as God has and does LOVE ME. That is my reason for existance.

I will not argue your points or beliefs for they are yours and if you believe them they are YOUR truth and for YOU they are right. That does not mean they are right for all human kind any more then mine are. I will not argue the Bible for anyone can pick and choose passages to make their point and then another can find another passage to, in their mind, disprove. That is why my statement "Religion (not God) will always be debated because there is NO proof...tangible proof that one is truly right and the other is truly wrong. That is about religions.

Still, as far as I am concerned there is only ONE GOD, there are alot of religions. So, again, your question to me which God I believe in...is moot because there is only ONE and that God is LOVE!

Me?

what does his/her belief matter?

I am am totally disappointed in the sgtpepper no wonder you band was lonely......arr arr arr

I am a Christian and proud of it....Try and change that.....hmmmmm good luck....Love me or not your choice.....Love the God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ or not again your choice. But do not under any circumstances tell me what or what not to believe....

This message will self destruct in 30 seconds.

Alrighty then, let me paint you a more emotional picture...

Picture this: a courtroom with a judge and jury, and defendants like Dahmer and Gacy. After the trial is done and jury has found the defendants guilty and recommends the death penalty, the judge asks the murderers if they have anything to say in their defense. The fall on their faces and praise the judge laviously for his being powerful and wise enough to spare them, they appeal to his vanity in the most flattering ways possible, they rend their breasts before him. Then the judge passes sentence- he acknowledges a jury of their peers has found them guilty of the very laws the judge has on a plague behind him and sentences them to death.

But then commutes the sentence because he was moved by their appeal to his grandeur and majesty.

But it doesn't stop there. He turns to the jury and says "And ladies and gentleman of the jury, I find YOU guilty of murder in your hearts of one who would worship me. Bailiff, take them into custody immediately and execute them at dawn."

The foreman of the guilty stands up and says, "You may be able to do this and get away with it, but this day will live in infamy."

The next morning, the jury is lined up, ready to be shot, but is given one last chance to recant. They all say, "I would rather die than live in a land where such kangaroo courts can dispense such injustice with impunity."

Then, a la, 'V for Vendetta', the executioner says, "Now you are truly free, and can't be corrupted by fear, ready to seek Justice with a perspective unavailable to the vast majority of people. We'll escort you to a safe place. " The firing squad fires blanks into the air for the benefit of the throngs outside the walls.

There. Verily, and all that stuff jazz.


-Kerry O.

lol. I dont want to change your beliefs. They are your own. I listen to the other side "christian opinion" every day. I have also done more research on my own spirituality than most christians. again your beliefs are you own but remember that understanding is a conscience effort.

As they say... Its always lonely at the top.

I was just messing and of course all can believe as they wish that is a no brainer for me. And no one would ever get a battle from me....Only when you call God, Jesus Christ and the Bible a myth will I get my hackles up. Say you don't believe it and that's ok......but it is not a myth imo

Oh Feral you are such a temptress. Of course it is a myth. It perfectly fits the description of a myth.

# a traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people


# Myth is derived from the Greek word mythos, which means "word of mouth."


A story of a great but unknown age which embodies a belief regarding some fact or phenomenon of experience, and in which often the forces of nature and of the soul are personified; an ancient story of a god, a hero, the origin of a race, etc. ...


# An improvable story, almost always including miraculous events, that has no specific reference point or time in history.


# an anonymous story designed to explain the mysteries of life, generally with larger than life awe-inspiring characters.


# A traditional story passed down through generations that explains why the world is the way it is. Myths are essentially religious, because they ...


# An anonymous tale emerging from the traditional beliefs of a culture or social unit. Myths use supernatural explanations for natural phenomena. They may also explain cosmic issues like creation and death. ...

So come now, lets see your hackles

There's a saying in engineering:
"Perfection is the enemy of 'good enough'".

To wit, this 'parable' by Penelope Trunk:



-Kerry O.

"In the interest of logic, something that organized religion is very uncomfortable with..."

George Carlin

Your complete ignorance of the biblical text and Christian concepts are embaressingly obvious. What good is engaging in conversation with you on a subject you know nothing about. Find a reference in the bible on Purgatory, and then I will continue discussing these matters wih you.

Do you find it hard to believe that it's ovbious you don't believe in Chrsitianity - how could you if you don't read the text? How can you even formulate an opinion about it, let alone engage in discussions concerning the concepts like you are even entitled to an opinion? What are your qualifications? Because you have a brain? Anser me this question. Why should I bother to respond to you on matters of biblical concepts when you are totally unprepared to even know how to investigate my responses in the text for yourself?
Doesn't it matter to you whether or not you are prepared when you enter a discussion?

And while you are at it - read my posts before you comment on them, because I have yet to see anything I've written on what you imply I'm saying.

As you so elegantly demonstrate.

"Better to be thought a fool - than open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

I just wanted to be sure that I had a sense of what your understanding was before I responded to an earlier post of your. I will refer to this quote within this post.

"The God I believe in, is as the Bible says...God is LOVE."

followed there after by:

"My God is more powerful then any MAN, or any EVIL that might persists in this world."

Now, I'm not asking you to believe or interpret any of your beliefs based on my understanding - you seem to have put enough thought into this to be confident in your own. No problems here. But I am curious about this statement from the post I first responded to.



So my question is this - if you believe that God is more powerful than any MAN, how is it possible that MAN change what was divinely inspired? Now I'm not talking about a word here, or a tense there - I'm refering to the idea that man, through his numerous transcriptions throughout the years, could not possibly have changed one intended idea of scripture if God is as you say "more powerful than any man or any evil."

By believing this to be true, are you not contradiction your own understanding of God?
And since by it's own admission, the scripture claims to be divinely inspired - wouldn't man's changing it be definitive proof that the God of scripture does not exist?

Sounds a little like General Washington during the revolution. Obviously - the missing point of your story is that the Judge is omniscient, and knows the hearts of everyone in the courtroom - so their words are just echo's in the wind.

But that is always man's argument. They ask to formulate opinions when not all of the facts are known, and accept the truth thereof. On an emotional level - do I think Dahmer is in Heaven, and his victims in hell? Hardly. But I just don't have enough of the facts to make this claim with any certainty. Everyone one of Dahmers (or insert_a_serial_killer) victims may have cried out to God when the reality of their inpending doom was before them. Besides - it's all hypothetical anyway. From the questions straight through to the answers - no matter how logically and cleverly constructed. And Hypothetical situations are never presented with all of the necessary facts to establish an acceptable truth.

Naturally, you would have to be refering to the Old Testament here - because non of the other accusations refer to the New Testament.

Hmmm. Its apparent someone is having a temper tantrum here and running a muck. Well whenever you feel like sobering up and actually writing in a cohesive manner, let us know. By the way, my post still stands if you feel like responding. I dont think a bunch of crude insults will qualify as rebuttal.

Or you can go ahead and delete your last post to take my response out of context like you did on the Sodom and Gomorrah thread

haha. busted.!