these same repeated doctrines that have been believed since the beginning of time, have proven to serve no purpose but to divide and conquer, to create divide in anyone kingdom...

do you propose these are of some secret intelligence that has not been heard many times before....

why do you speak of these things as if they are great truths, as if they have not been seen and duly recognized time and again since the beginning.......

these were shouted forth by scribes and pharisees from many days past, and these truths were called as whitwashed houses full of dead mans bones, and create only dead mans bones within a body, for they forsake even the simplest essence of what was taught by jesus......

why do you say you follow him, when he is not recognized as being believed in any of your words...............

these are words from a perception of self holy, and others as less holy......

is this thought to not be seen by any that do not live in fear......

does not this perception shine thru in all words, show that your heart believe your "on track" in all believed, showing a belief all others need to come onto your track to be as worthy or knowing any truth at all......

if it said to put ones "faith" in "jesus", then certainally it did not mean in the man, but what the "man" said.....

john lennon sang "listen to what the man says", but to you he was not a follower, indeed, no one is a follower except those the subscribe only to "precisely" what you believe.....

did jesus not say "love thy neighbbor as thyself"...

to believe and put faith in this ONE SENTENCE would give more knowing of truth and love in the heart than all the words of doctine called as truth, as to garner the mind, to bring it into a matching vision with just this one sentence, make the mind see "my neighbbor knows JUST AS MUCH AS MYSELF, AND HAS WISDOM ALSO, AND IS AS EQUAL TO MYSELF.......what that believes as such tell another they are on the "right track", and instruct as saying all less than one believe is "off track", lol.......

all your words belie the feeling and belief of the heart, that you are BETTER and WISER than all less equal and less knowing ones, and all others are as less, that do not believe the same, and great effort is put forth to make all others confrom to this same poison apple that tastes so good to the mind, but cause death in the heart.....

if there is any whole truth, then it must see thru the same eyes of the one that is believed to have inspired all words of text, and these eyes see all as eqaul, or they see not the whole picture, as text itself describe what the sight be that "god" has, and does not all one believe create the perception or sight looked thru........

so how can one believe they have attianed all merit, and wothiness, and truth, when this sight is not yet had.....

indeed, this sight was as a gift, for any that seek not to have for oneself, but then all that is spoken here comes from the perception of oneself as better, more worthy, and how can such as this recieve any gift, as it demand itself in it's heart and in all words as worthy of all gifts, and what wise father would give a gift such to any child with this sight, as such perception would like to see all others lower than oneself, and even come to believe all others will be killed by god, and themself spared, and these as bastard children of the whole truth defame love and unity, and even despise it, as they do not wish to be as equal to what they percieve to be as trash and scum of the earth........

did it not say "love thy enemies".....

is not any natural enemy one that "believes" different, as to do different deeds show only by manifestation what is believed, and these if they are "loved as self" could never be seen as LESS or NOT WORTHY, or as not as "clean" as oneself.........

even the simplest essence of what jesus said is not seen in any of the self professions of following jesus and "knowing the track"....

has not this same inspiration of self good faith been preached from every podium since the days of jesus and before, a perception that look out the heart at all as LESS, with all pride and arrogance in the heart believing they are as sons, never seeing that jesus as a son, NEVER made himself as better, not even holy religious self professed teachers of "holiness", excaped be called as satan, lol.......

did not these call themself as WISE with every repeating of carefully selected text, constructed from a desire to find oneself as holy and good and most worthy, and such teachings always saying "these are the only true interpretations, hear them or you are damned, and this be the way to the kingdom of heaven, lol.......

if it has not the same sight as "god", the same father text claimed to be as the father of jesus, that "seen" all MAN as equal, then it is not of the same god of jesus's father, so by every text proclamation, such teachings shall be destroyed....

is not this the very esence of believing in the words of jesus, as to love thy neighbor as thyself, and love also thy enemy, could NEVER THINK OF ITSELF AS BETTER or MORE WORTHY, lol........

each thing spoken seeks to promote fear of the father as truth, and tries to convince many they are not of the father, and more truth is easily seen by any of these deemed to be in death and hell bound, and such as these are the least of these, that do not consider any as less, but half-truth of the mind convinces one that they are better, and such as believe such things would have to be as last, as these teaching make "itself" as first, and so who that declare to believe in text does not believe it will come to be as spoken......

shall these be divided in oneself, from all presence and knowing of "god" that is love.....

how can it not be, as "god" is claimed to be as DICTATOR, that has not any more wisdom or love than all professed dictators of the law that have lived in history, and such as these having the same spirit, have killed millions of peoples, but indeed it was spoken of god of text, "thou shalt not murder", so if there is a god, and he is perfect, and his words are as prophecy, and must come true, then indeed they will for all mankind, and would the same god that speak not also keep the same prophecy that he speaks for himself, lol.......

these teaching incite riotry, all social unrest, bigotry, strife, hatred, malice, contention, and do not come from the lips of jesus, and all teachers of such will be removed from their podioms of self grandness, by the very essence of the power of the words they themelf speak, but hear not nor follow, and these words heaped back upon ones own head, smash and grind to powder, and shatter all illsuions of self grandess, and the days have come that such words as these that seek to enslave will enslave the speakers, and these will not stand long before brought to the ground in humiltity, and even the heart goes to work to destroy such things with great power and swiftness, the heart of TRUTH that lie within the center of EACH thing that have breath of life, and even more as the days quickly approach that all shall live in peace, here, in this same place we call earth........

these are teachings of the poison apple of the tree of the mind, the tree deemed to be as a mockery, but this belief indeed shall from this day forward be made known, with all power and proof, and the very ones deemed by arrogant hearts as ignorant losers, shall have power over all the self professed children, these thinking many have no value or measure in the kingdom....

what father are such divisive teachings from?

how can it be from the same father that all that declare they are followers of text heard, when they are words diometrically opposed to any such words as spoken by even jesus himself........

if it is of the tree of divide, it shall fall with a crumble to the ground, and any in it's house will fall with it.....

what good reason does any have to rest at such a stop, that give no peace anyways, but only a urge of the heart to always prove itself, as the doubt show itself in every word, and give no peace.....

to not evacutate the house of divide that see all others as less equal, puts oneself squarly in the furnace that incinerate such beliefs, and is as hotter than fire from heaven, that has no beginning or no end, and burn all such beliefs to stuble in an instant........

are not these same teaching reeking of the same look, smell, taste, feel, and hearing as the same preached from the churches and synagogs in jesus day, the same as what was spoken from "self-professed holy ones" that created all divide, and even the same beliefs that created hands that nailed "jesus" to the cross......

the self worthy pride of thinking that one has the "right track" is from the pit that lead to a pit, and containes no knowing of "perfect love of the father", the one source of all life, that SEES and KNOWS HOW all are as equal.........

Word!

Nothing related to christianity was well thought out.

god created this place hell.
god created satan
satan gives god a hard time
so why doesnt god smite the living bee-jeeezus out of satan?

it will not happen that way, for God Knows our hearts and minds, can't fool him. I think there are people that will be in heaven that never so much as darkened the door of a church and there are those that go one, two, three times a week that will not even get close.

Its about whats in your heart and mind, And God knows, men, man, us, whatever, can't fool him, no matter how rightious we may think we are at times

Just wait, it's coming

Whats coming? Is there going to be some serious "smiting" going on at some point? Why doesn't god get to it already. There is all this talk about it. Why doesnt god just clean house now? Are we not bad enough yet?

If the murderer repented like dahmer did......from his heart.....then yes he would go to heaven.....But like I said if someone is repenting and then does nasty over again it's null and void....It's seems so unfair that someone like Dahmer could do what he did and get to go to heaven. But anyone who truly is sorry for what they do and ask the Lord to forgive them....He will.

So that means its okay to commit pre-meditated murder just so long as you repent and accept Jesus Christ as your savior at some point before death and don't kill any more people. You still get a ticket in?

But the victim on the other hand, lets say she was a practicing Muslim her entire life and never hurt anyone. She is going to hell because she is Muslim. That is NOT a selling point. Thats not even reasonable.

It's not that black and white krimsa. If the sinner repents of his sins....regardless of the sin....and means it....then yes he/she is forgiven......And again you were not reading......It's like saying all the people that are seeing Jesus when he returns and all will have no doubt who he is....will cry forgive me Jesus.....will they go to heaven....hell no......

And if the victim was a muslim then yes as difficult as that is to comprehend she will go to hell....For God says do not worship any other Gods.....PERIOD not up for debate. And because this is not reasonable to you........just doesn't not make it so......

Thats awful. She goes to hell because she is not Christian. Who would want any part of that. I don't care for it one bit but that's only my opinion. Its marginalizes good, humane people only going about their lives and condemns them to hell simply for not accepting Christianity.

So if we go to Abra's story and a girl who has nothing to be sorry for in life, has lived a good clean life but has not accepted Jesus as her savior for whatever reason is in hell and Dahmer is in heaven even though he killed hundreds of animals and I don't even remember how many people after raping them and cutting them up into little parts and injesting some of their body.

and the girl who worked for the red cross and volunteered to help society was malitiously raped and beaten and murdered and cut up and eaten by a psychopath is in hell...

I see it's all clear to me now.

So God is an egotist just as I stated before then... You must worship me and only me then I will give you rewards at the end of your journey... Sounds like a cult leader to me, not so much of a "spiritual" journey more of the ravings of a mad man... Can we say MoonBop cult?

First off lily no God is not an egotist....He is God.....God doesn't ask much from us....The rewards are all through our lives not just the end. Now of course you to can believe as you wish.....that is why God gave you free will....Just remember that you will later in life have to pay the consequences of your free will.

And again just because you think as you do....just does not change the fact or the rules for God....He is who He is....He expects us to live a certain way....and don't and pay the price....pretty darn simple.

Well that seems like good parenting...

I say to my daughter "You have to be home by 10"

she says "I'll be home by 12:30"

I say "Well do what you want you have free will"

then she comes home at 12:30 and I say nothing until 3 years later I say "Oh by the way remember 3 years ago when I told you to be home at 10 and you didn't come in until 12:30 well you are grounded for a month because I didn't enforce my law then, but I will do it now"

That's great... I wanna be raised by that guy.

It seems there is a difference between free will and just demanding that someone go along with what you expect of them and if not, face the consequences. In this case, eternal damnation and a lot of fire and wrath. Who operates like that exactly? Generally we describe people that behave in such a manner as "bullies". They use the threat of reprisal in order that you should give up your lunch money to them. In the case of Christianity, it seems you are turning over yourself in order to avoid god's disapproval.

maybe you should read about Paul in the Bible and what he did before he became a follower of Jesus

He asks that you stone your unruly children. Do you do that?

Abra - you can view the book thru what-ever lens you chose and evaluate it however you wish - but what you can't do is change what the words are that are on the page. Do I have to remind you the basics of biblical doctrine? You don't need to be told that the central theme of the bible is that Jesus dies on the cross for the sins of man, and those who put their faith in him are going to the heaven that is occupied by God the Father who is refered to all through the text. Are you trying to tell me that this is NOT what the text staes? Or are you merely stating that you know what the text says and just don't believe it?

If you don't see where Jesus said he was God - or that the text does not intimate that - than you have no ability to read with comprehension. Again - believe what you want about the book, but don't pretend to reinterpret the whoe thing to satisfy your disagreement with it. It says what it says.

What makes you think I was unaware it was a joke?

Think this stuff is funny do you?

No - what I am implying is that if you believe that the concept of Heaven and Hell are mythical, than you are left with whatever you believe awaits you based on your inclination. For instance... Jeannie believes in reincarnation - so it's unlikely she'll spend eternity with Jesus - she expects to spend it here. If you don't believe in hell, and Jesus is a myth - where will you be after you take your last breath?
Just a memory to those who knew you? I mean - I don't know what you think of when the term "eternity" is discussed. That might be mythical to you as well. That is my point. I'm not telling you you are going anywhere - the choice is yours, all I'm saying is - whatever you chose to believe, what are you basing your belief on? Is it an external concept - reincarnation, a pantheistic heaven - where all are returned back to God, being God themselves - is it the biblical heaven, or something that you've created for yourself? Is it supported with some sort of logical theory?

These are the references and "questions" my statement infered. Not meant to be on a personal or individual level at all. By the same token - if one were to believe that the scripture has merit, and chose to rebel against putting their faith in Jesus, they should expect to then be in Hell - for that is what they are chosing.