I don't think it is possible to bring honesty and integrity back to the making of money the way our system works, there will always be the powerful in the system we have that will abuse everyone else. And a society that secretly condones it because they too want that same power.

Well actually...if you look at what just occured you will see that the only thing falling apart is at the top. Even tho I believe in the capitalist system I don't believe it's what's been going on...for quite some time. I can say I told you so but I won't.

Too many of our young adults today value very little, and don't contribute to the family much less to society. They have grown up in greedy times, and have no sense of what it was like to live in harder times.

Well they just might, & sooner...rather than later.

And greed has infected both sides of the isle, so greed doesn't have a certain political label. We as society have a secret wish to be as powerful, and as long as we find money the only avenue to happiness we will continue to educate our kids in the same old ways which glorify money and status.

Well it's almost a beauty to see that in all the chaos people are reaching out in ways they never did before. That's a good thing.

I had already said this privately, but I had always wished that I could work at what I love, doing work for people with out the worry of food and bills and a roof over my head. It's very difficult to help others and have to worry if you will survive yourself


I used to do a lot of home repair for older folks, mostly women, men rarely called me to work for them. I loved it, and I loved the people I did it for, but I couldn't make enough money at it because I charged them according to what they could afford, often doing much of it for free or at my expense.

It's an admirable trait to want to help people. There are many forms of helps. Maybe you can get some of the local hardware stores to donate supplies to help those who can't afford it so it doesn't come out of your pocket.

My brother who is wealthy found me a bit irresponsible. I didn't see it that way though I did understand that I would be poorer in my older years. But poor didn't bother me, there are degrees of poor. Of course I would not want to be homeless, but my point was that I would have loved to be able to do what I loved with out the fear and anxiety of not being able to survive myself.

{b]There is no way to get around it...without others leanding support & donations. That's an avenue you might want to try. Maybe go to Lowes or Home Depot & get your name out there for work that will pay the bills while helping others.

I always found more joy and worth in helping others that in adorning myself with things.

LOL I gotta say...I like my "things."

Too often young people today don't see the value in helping others, they would just as soon stand their and watch you work, it wouldn't cross their mind to pick up a tool and help.... I think many in our government have the sam mentality, it's all about money and how little can we get away with giving the poor and the working class.

We can't make them do anything but just set an example...you never know how our own actions affect others.


Ok I am beginning to ramble.

At great risk to the utopian theory I've been backing, I would like to ask you Thomas the following question.

I do believe every person has value. In a society where there is no money the value of every person is worthy of and granted the necessities of life. Every person has access to everything they might desire.

Thomas, what contribution can you envision yourself making to such a society? A valued contribution can be anything, from creating the plans for a connecting bridge or tunnel between land masses, to giving comfort to people by a great attitude, or adding beauty through art.

Now, be honest and sincere, when you answer, because I want others to see your value too.

Besides the intrinsic value of you, what do you think you would contribute?

What if - there was NO MONEY and every individual had at their disposal anything they wanted? What if you could not BUY anything because everything you could ever need was available to you?

What would be the cause of unrest?

I support taxing mega churches; Joel Olsteen and Creffelo Dollar both made some 20 million dollars last year and Paul Crouch (owner of TBN) has 26 houses (2 in newport beach, ca), a private jet, and has been busted in a gay love with drugs situation.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/pdf/HB03678I.pdf





What does this mean to you?

I agree that the legal system is not based on the bible. There are just people that like to say that.

Do we still stone people? Can we eat what we want?

Do we follow the 10 Commandments?

The Colossians verse that I quoted is from the Bible - NIV version.

I was taught that he threw out man's rules like what they ate, stoning, etc., and what was said to Moses stayed.

And this: Colossians 2,14-15 ...having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

Our sins are forgiven.

While that may be true to a certain extent now, I think the op was talking a more advanced way of doing things. And, humans are jut not ready for that.

However, that being said, a lot of what the government currently does to try and make things equal actually makes things worse. You cannot legislate people into believing differently than they do.