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Sun 02/10/13 04:23 PM





Considering the attack occurred over several hours, long enough for some to try to go and rescue them, I feel there was a dereliction of duty at the highest levels.


Only in a sense did it occur over several hours. It was two separate attacks that occurred about six hours apart, but each attack only lasted about 20 minutes. After the first attack, they thought it was over, but just didn't come out, in case the attackers were still around.
the Neglect was,not having enough Protection there in the first place!


Perhaps we should station a division of marines at every embassy, outpost, mission, and office around the world? Just to make sure that none of them are neglected.


Yes, wherever situations have the potential to become volatile.

And remember, soldiers await commands.

The date 9/11 should be a preparedness day.




You have got to be kidding! noway


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Fri 02/08/13 09:22 AM
"hollow point armor piercing bullets"???

No such thing. laugh

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Sat 02/02/13 08:01 PM





Richard Sawyer
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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.






You have a warped perspective of war. We were in total war with Japan when we firebombed Tokyo as retaliation for their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. For years Japan had been killing thousands of Chinese and were mistreating and killing captured American soldiers from the Philippines. Japan refused to abide by the Geneva rules of war and treated everyone as sub-human. Their ally Germany, had V-2 bombed London extensively. The US attacks on Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Hiroshima ended World War II and it is estimated that it saved over a million lives over what would have happened if we would have invaded.

Maybe you should read a little history and you wouldn't make such invalid comparisons.


Don't try to lecture me about WWII and the Japanese....my Father was a Japanese POW. You ever hear of a little place called Corregidor? I know plenty about what went down.

My comparison was not far off the mark. The terrorists drew American civilian blood with 911 and we are hitting them back....doesn't matter where they are, we should hit them.

WAR HAS CHANGED my friend and you better get used to the new way it will be waged. They are damn lucky we are able to minimize collateral damage as much as we do! We didn't have that luxury in WWII.




Your comparison is ridiculous. It is you that started the "lecture" and did a really poor job of it. I won't try to lecture you about WWII because your comparisons are so warped, they represent a meaningless perspective. 100,000 "innocent" civilians? Every human on the island was working to defeat the Allies in WWII. Your use of the term is disgusting. Your hatred of America stands out.


Wrong again my friend. I love America, it's you I worry about. You and those like you who want to play mamby pamby kind of wars with these terrorists. No f-ing around is my attitude.

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Sat 02/02/13 03:01 PM



Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.






You have a warped perspective of war. We were in total war with Japan when we firebombed Tokyo as retaliation for their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. For years Japan had been killing thousands of Chinese and were mistreating and killing captured American soldiers from the Philippines. Japan refused to abide by the Geneva rules of war and treated everyone as sub-human. Their ally Germany, had V-2 bombed London extensively. The US attacks on Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Hiroshima ended World War II and it is estimated that it saved over a million lives over what would have happened if we would have invaded.

Maybe you should read a little history and you wouldn't make such invalid comparisons.


Don't try to lecture me about WWII and the Japanese....my Father was a Japanese POW. You ever hear of a little place called Corregidor? I know plenty about what went down.

My comparison was not far off the mark. The terrorists drew American civilian blood with 911 and we are hitting them back....doesn't matter where they are, we should hit them.

WAR HAS CHANGED my friend and you better get used to the new way it will be waged. They are damn lucky we are able to minimize collateral damage as much as we do! We didn't have that luxury in WWII.


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Sat 02/02/13 07:59 AM

Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.




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Thu 01/31/13 07:13 PM
Barack said "Get Some!" Yeah!! Go Barack, GO!!! drinker

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Thu 01/31/13 07:48 AM


I know some 3 year olds that should be handcuffed.



i think spanking would do better...


Okay Mr. Gray

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Thu 01/31/13 07:47 AM

Amnesty is just Barry's way of paying back to his voter base and supporting Corporate America.

Don't ya'll just love how Hussein and Corporations are so concerned about putting Americans to work?


I blame the Republicans for what is about to happen. Here is what Republican Senator John McCain (R) Arizona said in a speech Monday January 28, Before President Obama spoke:

“What is going on now is not acceptable. In reality, what has been created is a defacto-amnesty. We, the American people, have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawn, serve us food, clean our homes and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great."




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Thu 01/31/13 07:35 AM
I know some 3 year olds that should be handcuffed.

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Wed 01/30/13 04:22 PM
One BIG LIE from Conservatives...."It's not amnesty."devil

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Wed 01/30/13 04:20 PM

One guess what party Illegals swing with?


Liberals. All liberals are supporting their agenda by supporting oBamby and Dems.
Ya'll asked for it. Now it's happening.
Like Barry told ya'll,


WRONG! The Republicans are pushing the agenda and for one reason....to get more hispanic votes.

Why are ya'll sticking your heads in the sand on this issue?

The only Republican I have heard speak up so far against this is Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

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Wed 01/30/13 04:18 PM

The sticking point of immigration reform is what to do with young adults who were small children when they accompanied their parents to the USA. Those children didn't have a choice when it came to moving with their parents.

A significantly large number of those young adults have become de facto naturalized citizens because they are fluent in English and are full participants in the culture of the USA. Plenty of them have no memory of the culture in which they were born.


This sounds like something right out of the LIBERAL playbook of talking points.

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Wed 01/30/13 06:17 AM
I was surpised to see the Republican party lining up to support and push for "comprehensive immigration reform". I thought conservatives would stick to their base and fight any attempt to pass an amnesty bill.

I was even more surprised to see our ultra conservative Arizona Governor lining up with them saying we need "comprehensive reform." They used to always say that was the code word for amnesty.

Why in the hell did they all change their positions on this? Was it because of the election and they are trying to get more hispanic votes?

McCain, Marco Rubio, Jan Brewer....wtf?

Bottom line, they are going to pass an amnesty bill.




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Sun 01/27/13 05:59 PM
If she was in Arizona, Sheriff Joe would have rounded her up and shipped her back to old Mexico.




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Sat 01/26/13 10:51 AM
My winchester model 12 would have stopped them in their tracks. More deadly than an ar in close quarter combat.

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Thu 01/24/13 08:58 PM
More hogwash!

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Thu 01/24/13 08:50 PM
What a bunch of hogwash.

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Thu 01/24/13 09:29 AM








You know what?

If the President was not using drone stikes to kill the terrorists you would be biitching.

If the President does use drone strikes to kill terrorists you would be biitching.

Doesn't seem to matter what he does, you biitch about it.

Bunch of whiners.


So, how do you feel about him killing SUSPECTED, not proven beyond a doubt, SUSPECTED terrorists and thousands of kids and other innocents?

Are you sad for their families of do your undies get all sticky?


Sure, kill the SUSPECTED terrorists. Fine with me.

You want them proved beyond a reasonable doubt? Like in an American Court?? HA! Last time he suggested that, the REPS got their panties all in a bunch!

Make up you mind. You want the basterds dead or tried in courts in NY??

So. Are you saying the dead kids are basterd terrorists???

Kinda' bigoted to say that the only good Muslim is a dead one, no?


You are playing games. Let me know when you are ready to have serious conversation about this topic.

All you do is attack the President, no matter what he does.

I would suggest that there are multiple levels of military approval required to launch a drone strike.



Sure there is! The Liar in Chief says "KILL" and the order goes downhill thru all of them

The fact of the matter is there are "standing orders" and some cabinet of CIA people takes out the competition. If it's clean, the POTUS takes credit, if not, he throws a general under the bus (for something unrelated of course....can't have drones as a topic of conversation).


When you refer to the President of the United states of America in a derogatory manner, the conversation is over. You show your true colors.




Yep! Those of a veteran and patriot who values the constitution and loves his country, despises anyone who tries to harm her!

What list are you on?


If you are a true patriot and veteran who loves this country, surely you should be able to understand and support our military using drones to take out terrorists and keep our country safe.

Do you think they are out there doing this for sport?

I support the military, the CIA and the use of drones.


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Wed 01/23/13 07:24 PM






as a brit this whole thing makes me laugh.

it seems the us has a problem with mental cases getting a gun and killing innocent groups of unsuspecting people.

none of you want to relinquish your guns because its your god given right to have protection against these mental murderers who pose a threat because they have guns.

so the argument against removeing guns from the us is that you need them to protect yourselves, against people who have guns!

obviously you cant irradicate the threat by "removing" the mental cases, as its very hard to know who is a mental gun slinging muderer and who is just from the south.

maybe you should give guns to kids so they can also protect themselves.

and the anti gun crowd making themselves look stupid by using the wrong names for guns?. yep, dem da stoopid ones.

guns dont kill people, people who want to kill people... kill people.

you cant remove the insane and angry. but you could make weapons harder to get hold of.
whoa slaphead
Not even close. Self-defense is only a small part of the usefulness of the right to own arms. The real purpose of this right is to give regular people the means to keep government in check and repel foreign invasions. (the imperial Japanese never invaded the mainland US because they knew there was a "rifle behind every blade of grass") The musket was the assault rifle of the 18th century. Even a simple farmer armed with one or more could protect himself from harassment or assault at the hands of the regime.

Say you did take everyone's guns. Now they're sitting ducks for criminals. (real criminals don't care about the law and will get guns if they want them)

Since you're a Brit, you ought to familiarize yourself with your countryman George Orwell. Especially 1984. Britain and the US resemble the world of 1984 more and more by the day.

One of my favorite Orwell quotes-"if you want a vision of the future, imagine a jackboot stamping on a human face-forever".

Maybe you enjoy your police/nanny state, but I don't care for it.


You live in the past. Japan did not have nukes.

A couple nuke EMP's in our upper atmosphere over the US would throw us back to the stone age.

Won't take much to take us down....look at what a few idiots flying jets did to our economy.....what did that cost us in blood and treasure.

Wake up.



Where were nukes mentioned? Besides, an "assault" rifle with a 30 round mag is far from having nukes. Not to mention only responsible for a very small amount of gun related deaths, and many of them were accomplished with black-market purchases.

So why ban them?





You're right nukes were not mentioned. But, he did state that the reason Japan did not invade us was because of our small arms possession.

Does this still hold true today? Do you seriously think that the right to bear arms would keep some idiot maniac leader in North Korea from attacking us with a nuke? Or China? Or Russia?


It would be a deterrent, for an all out occupation (meaning it would be nearly impossible to actually take us over without an indefinite insurgent activity). The likelihood of said occupation would be very, very minuscule as a result of our nuclear weapons, so on that point we would agree completely.

In fact, the ownership of nukes would prevent nearly any full scale invasion for any country. Hostile take-overs today would be done by other means; either economic, or the takeover of political influence, etc. This brings us to an entirely different scenario.

#1. Economic takeover could leave a country broke, diminished welfare and social services leaving the public to fend for themselves for food, shelter, protection, etc. There public ownership of weapons would help to balance power.

#2. Political influence would obviously involve corruption of a system and manipulating policies toward the benefit of said nation. People can only be taken advantage of for so long before becoming angered. With a well armed populace you would have to keep things much more subtle as political powers could potentially be overthrown and even local police forces rendered useless when enough citizens revolt.

The above ties into the primary reason for not infringing on our second amendment. When a government becomes too corrupt, and i mean to the point of those speaking out suddenly disappearing and citizens on large scales being detained (in camps and such). In this case citizens can stop abductions (or at least have a chance to), and overthrow efforts to imprison towns/cities, etc.

Now, the government's weapons are much bigger, and more powerful, but the use of said weapons (for instance dropping a nuke on a revolting city), or large scale use of bombs/drones/etc. would be VERY tough to keep under wraps to other citizens, other countries, and even large amounts of our own military members would turn their backs on the powers that be saying "that's just F-ed up".

Again assault weapons would only aid such an effort on the above scale, but the government can be corrupted by any force, not just foreign military. Corporations, for example, banks have a HUGE influence on our government and its policies. Regardless of the force performing the takeover the result is ultimately the same... People will be taken advantage of progressively until it becomes enslavement. But people usually break, and get very angry before this occurs. The 2nd amendment ensures they have the power to direct that anger toward the enemy trying to enslave them.

That being said. The department of justice statistics and FBI records show that gun control has no impact on gun-related crime. This stands true for the Clinton era assault weapons bans, as well as on gun laws/revocation of said laws on major U.S. cities. This leads to me ask the very important question; "Why are they still trying to pass new restrictions?"

Apologies for the long-winded response.

Goodnight my bothers and sistersdrinker for now:wink:




Blah, blah, blah.......you never addressed my point.


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Wed 01/23/13 07:18 PM
Edited by 1956deluxe on Wed 01/23/13 07:19 PM






You know what?

If the President was not using drone stikes to kill the terrorists you would be biitching.

If the President does use drone strikes to kill terrorists you would be biitching.

Doesn't seem to matter what he does, you biitch about it.

Bunch of whiners.


So, how do you feel about him killing SUSPECTED, not proven beyond a doubt, SUSPECTED terrorists and thousands of kids and other innocents?

Are you sad for their families of do your undies get all sticky?


Sure, kill the SUSPECTED terrorists. Fine with me.

You want them proved beyond a reasonable doubt? Like in an American Court?? HA! Last time he suggested that, the REPS got their panties all in a bunch!

Make up you mind. You want the basterds dead or tried in courts in NY??

So. Are you saying the dead kids are basterd terrorists???

Kinda' bigoted to say that the only good Muslim is a dead one, no?


You are playing games. Let me know when you are ready to have serious conversation about this topic.

All you do is attack the President, no matter what he does.

I would suggest that there are multiple levels of military approval required to launch a drone strike.





The final signature has to be Hussein's.

Wouldn't attack the jackwad if he was about bettering our country.

You approve of killing babies? They are, by your own statement, basterd terrorists.


When you refer to the President of the United States of America in a derogatory mannaer, you are obviously not ready to have an adult conversation about the use of drones.


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