Topic: The development of our sight...
no photo
Sat 03/15/08 01:09 PM
<beginning of body rant>

The body is like a universe, filled with billions of life forms, all with specific instructions and all packed with information stored as a standing waves of light and energy. You do not have to tell your heart to beat, or your blood to flow. You do not have to tell your skin to heal a wound. Your body is conscious and each cell, each atom is filled with information and amazing power.

Split one atom and you know what kind of energy that releases. How many atoms does your body have, how much energy, how much information, programing, do you think is in your body that lets it run like a universe, lets you perceive, touch, feel, see, taste, love and create in full living color. It is amazing biological technology that has resulted in the body we live in. You are its caretaker, you are the deity each cell, each atom serves without question. Without it, you are a disembodied spirit and you have little power in this reality, so you must float around or exit and see if you can find some other place to live and experience life.

</end of body rant>


Cheers! drinker bigsmile

yashafox_F4X1's photo
Sat 03/15/08 08:18 PM
I tend to see the present through the lens of what has been. I don't think I'd be able to comprehend much without the benefit of my past experiences and learning. It's like, how would you know how to read without the training you have had in the past. Ditto, other things.

Experience, for one thing, has told me that life with faith is better than life without. And I take things from there. It gives rise to all type of vision and experience and is something I'm quite fond of and happy about. I highly recommend it, regardless of the philosophy of vision.

I'm 20/200 out of the left eye anyway.

davidben1's photo
Mon 03/17/08 05:49 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Mon 03/17/08 06:36 AM
the body can only contain as much volume as it already is, and the mind controls it and is the control tower for all functions, and work the same as what it control, the body......why said to respect the body......respect come from understanding completely all of something.....the principles that control......the mind has volume of truth also, so truth can never be found without speaking/expelling untruths, while at the same time gathering/adding truths occur....so there is never then seen untruth, just truth ever evolving, so TIME and SPEAKING bring all truth, and why the desire to not judge rest in all, as when there is presure to be good and only speak good, this stunt the growth of truth, as all we see did first come by speaking, and if anything fear to speak, the mind cannot HEAR itself, and judge truth ITSELF, and many explode into violence, as it is HEARING that automaticlly trigger the mind as a magent to truth, and gather it for use ITSELF, and just as one cannot see the body grow, unless it is sped up by film, neither can one see truth grow, unless these principles of truth are known, and then truth within all is free to encourage all to be spoken, the good and bad the same, the message of the movie the debaters that came from someones thoughts....so truth, which make all things, its first creation unconditional love, is sped up and then can be seen more each second.......why the freedom of speech is most what power that seek power, right that hold to right, good that hold to good, and not common best interests, will always try to limit by definition of what be GOOD speech, as they do not see that these principles make peace for all, and how can any of us have fun in anything we attain if we do not have peace when we attain......even the one that wish for their truth to remain hidden when uncovered can then be happy, so why not embrace all actions so that people do not have to be ashamed and hide, and keep us all in together in unrest....even the man that murder does not himself know the true reason he does, and if that truth be uncovered, a return to original state of being when born is achieved.....perfect. If the mind has been viewing murder each day, will not it try to make the body to follow, if the mind see cake all day, will not it soon get the urge to try a piece, unless it see that it is just a thought and many thoughts the same if not expelled will bring to action eventually, the more those that are taught to be good and view their own thoughts as fearful and even a CRIME.........why the preach say damn america and even himself does not know how to fix, but speaking bring more truth for all....freeing the tongues is our only answer to expell all that is trapped in the mind, the bad shall fall to the wayside, and the good shall remain to save us from ourselves, and take us back to what each was when born....perfect.

creativesoul's photo
Mon 03/17/08 04:31 PM
Other thoughts upon this subject, according to that which I believe to be true...

As one experiences a new situation, similar previous experience is all one has to depend on for any value placement upon this new experience.

The non-negotiable acceptances form the core of one's perceptive faculty. All else is built upon this conceptual foundation.

Our 'sight', or perception, is the subconscious assimilation of what is being experienced to what has been accepted as truth regarding such experiences. This lends one an ability to make sense of things being experienced, simultaneously so, by relating that which is being experienced in the now, to that which was experienced and accepted as reason for why, before...

Regrettably so, however, should a conceptual proposition be of contrary nature to that which has been previously accepted as a non-negotiable truth, then a true consideration of the contrary will be non-existant, blatently dismissed as untruth, by sheer will...

That which we believe is true shows evidence of such belief. Our mind will see what we have accepted as truth, regardless of it's genuine nature.

Should one have an internal agreement which is non-negotiable, then it will be so... no matter what the internalization is... or why...

Hence, the birth of living in the past... with a twist... laugh




wouldee's photo
Mon 03/17/08 04:44 PM
Edited by wouldee on Mon 03/17/08 04:45 PM
Creativesoul,

There is the rub. That is odd about our brain and its function.

I have learned just recently of studies involving the observation and retraining of people with injured and ttraumatized brain functions and the brain can apparently connect new triggers to unused or undamaged brain cells and start the process from scratch and build a new comprehension about walking andd moving limbs without deliberate or conscious will to overcome the lack of motor skills where previous connections had been lost to damage.

It holds true for unknowns and risks being entered into.

Trying new things maintains youthful vitality and freshness in the mind.

The tendency to fall into complacency unwillfully and resort to simplifying ones life as a reaction to changes in physiology can be overcome, if what they are observing holds true.

I can relate to that, myself. Especially with reinterpreting pain. chronic pain. Which debilitates clear thinking when allowed to be a forefronted influence.

New experiences andboldness to remain open-minded to input, sensory, spiritual or otherwise can bring a frersh perspective to living well.

I find the study meritorious and quite intriguing. I feel it is on the right path to understanding about what we are capable of with our built in hard drive that is apparently only being used fractionally.

It is a subject that I would like to more about.

The program was on PBS. More than that, I can't be specific about.

I wish I could remember these doctor's names. Especially the one in SF,Ca.

FYI....

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

creativesoul's photo
Mon 03/17/08 05:11 PM
What's goin' on wouldee?

drinker

Unfortunately, I have had first hand knowledge regarding a similar situation to that which you have just described. As a youth of 16 years old, I was involved in a bicycle/car crash...

I was on the bicycle. Needless to say, I lost...grumble

Luckily, miraculously, fortunately... I was able to re-learn... how to walk, talk, read, remember what I had just read, so on and so forth...

For myself, the recovery was quite remarkable, although I had many who were close to me say that I never was quite the same???

Too bad...laugh I do not remember being any different...:wink:

I know not enough about the entire brain function(s) to say much else, specifically nor scientifically...

Gimme a little philosophy though...glasses

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 03/17/08 06:02 PM
All I know is that I need to quite drinking so much pop. sick

no photo
Mon 03/17/08 06:08 PM
Edited by symbelmyne on Mon 03/17/08 06:08 PM
Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends upon what we think. What we think depends upon what we we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. what we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality .

flowerforyou

no photo
Mon 03/17/08 06:26 PM

Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends upon what we think. What we think depends upon what we we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. what we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality .

flowerforyou


Well something that makes perfect sense. Reality is subjective.

The cool thing about it is... damn it feels so real. bigsmile

Boy we are good. And we could just be a brain in jar... OOPs
that was another thread. laugh laugh

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 03/17/08 06:27 PM
Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends upon what we think. What we think depends upon what we we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. what we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality.


I hope that all happens automatically because if I have to think about it I'm just gonna go back to bed. flowerforyou

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 03/17/08 07:22 PM
Consider this another country heard from, in the midst of many.

I've enjoyed reading all the posts. One comment to Creative before my rambling thoughts: the long term memory, of which you speak,is not without flaw. Whether we retrieve or recall any declarative long term memory, it will be inconsistent from its orginal encoding. That means that the "one memory", from which you are trying to show all others relating to, is a fallacy. You see every declarative memory is altered when it is stored and it is subject to being altered more, in an action called hindsight. It is also subject to more alteration each time it is recalled or retrieved. Therefore, there is no one, or single memory that is ever encoded and recalled the same way twice. So it is not likely to alter future perceptions as much as future perceptions are likely to alter the past memory.
That, Creative, is science, not conjecture, not philosophy.

My thoughts as I read through the posts on this thread follow:

I’ve discovered there are some things we know, but full comprehension escapes us. There are concepts, and ideas we understand but don’t really embrace. Lately, the idea that, “life goes on”, when I will cease to experience life, has new meaning.

I picture my absence as a momentary gap; the space I once filled, begins to be encroached on by the life that I was once a part of, the life that surrounded me. Like a tightly bunched bouquet of flowers relaxes when settling into a vase. The unoccupied space around the flowers is displaced by the flowers, and the small clustered arrangement becomes large as it consumes that, which is no longer; the empty space. I wonder; how big a space, will my absence create, and how long will it take before it’s as if I never existed at all.

Some might consider these dull thoughts to be sad, or think they stem from some aberrant depressive quality. But they are just thoughts construed to help me embrace a concept that I’ve always known, but never fully comprehended. Can any of us REALLY imagine, truly understand, how small a single life is, compared to all of time and space?

How strongly we cling to this life, how deep the ego is, so much so, that it, (the ego), refuses to give credence to the minds knowledge, that our senses are the only awareness.

Without physical form (that which houses the ego), there can be no senses. So is it the egos’ inability to accept its conditional existence that prevents us from embracing the idea that “life goes on”, not just merely beyond our senses, but beyond or knowing; our existence?

Could it, then, be the reflection of the egos’ inability, to accept its demise, that leads humans to believe they can, will, and must exist, beyond the physical?

Is the egos’ suggestion so strongly placed, that the mind will go to creative extremes to give what the ego requires? What the ego requires is for the mind to believe in whatever will give the ego eternal existence. Belief systems, religions, that embrace the eternal nature of our being, like a hypnotic suggestion or a false memory, must become plausible to the individual to find acceptence. If at any time the belief system begins to falter in its plausibility, other creative measures must be sought. (a new belief system) From external gods and goddesses, to a monotheistic external god to a creator from which there is no separation, apart from temporary physical attributes.

No matter the belief that is accepted, it is accepted because it is a plausible idea, to the individual, but faith, absent of question, allows the ego to believe in its’ individual superiority; a superiority that grants eternal life. But could we function as a civil society if the demands of the ego were not met?

What happens to the ego and the individual who gives the ego what it wants? Does the satiated ego, extend a sense of wellbeing to the individual, creating a reason to continue the façade of the belief they embrace?

What happens to the ego and the individual when the ego is denied the significant mark of its superior being and denied its need to be eternal? Will the mind that refuses to wallow in the plausible theories of eternal beliefs, not find comfort? Or will that mind understand and embrace the idea that “life goes on” and as such, wouldn’t it be a comfort to know that the space left behind will, in some fashion, remain?

Be it as a kind memory, or in the annals of history for generations?

Be comforted by the ego, and bow to the will of its’ need or be comforted by the idea that you have lived this life with love and joy and a goal to leave some part of it behind, for the “life that goes on”!

In the end, it becomes either, the comfort that the ego seeks, that leads the individual to the beleif that provides it; or the deniel of the ego that leads the individual find comfort from existence it embraces.

What does it matter how that comfort in life is achieved, as long as, the goal of at the end of that life, leaves nothing behind but kind memories or historical goodness?


Jess642's photo
Mon 03/17/08 07:32 PM
I am liking this sight thing...

so many terms one can use it for...

Insight, hindsight, vision, visionary, blinded by love, blind faith, clouded views, so many connotations for one little word...

I am not even sure what I see half the time... mostimes if I close my eyes and open my heart, I see better...clearer...

What is that, anyways?

Why does that happen?

Sometimes I think this sight thing, is over-rated...grumble


no photo
Mon 03/17/08 07:50 PM

Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends upon what we think. What we think depends upon what we we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. what we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality.


I hope that all happens automatically because if I have to think about it I'm just gonna go back to bed. flowerforyou



Yeh me too.

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh noway

Thomas27's photo
Mon 03/17/08 08:08 PM

Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends upon what we think. What we think depends upon what we we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. what we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality .

flowerforyou

I think reality is all the truth happening aroud us. I think it is something that has to accepted, not made up.

no photo
Mon 03/17/08 09:07 PM


Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends upon what we think. What we think depends upon what we we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. what we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality.


I hope that all happens automatically because if I have to think about it I'm just gonna go back to bed. flowerforyou



Yeh me too.

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh noway

Worked on my philosophy professor, I passed the class with this baby....:tongue:

no photo
Mon 03/17/08 09:09 PM


Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends upon what we think. What we think depends upon what we we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. what we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality .

flowerforyou

I think reality is all the truth happening aroud us. I think it is something that has to accepted, not made up.

I disagree...hence the quote. Our truths are based on what we make real...but that reality is clouded with our own prejudices, fears, hopes, dreams..etc...there is no such thing as "truth", only "becoming".

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 03/17/08 09:13 PM
Insight, hindsight, vision, visionary, blinded by love, blind faith, clouded views, so many connotations for one little word...


Insight hindsight visionary rules
blinded by a love of faith
and persecuted ghouls

Cloudy connotations
a little wordy one
turning our realities
into clever pun

My sight sees bikinis
on a beach beneath the sun
S1owhand’s writing poetry
from the mouth of Satan’s son

CreativeSoul is searching
MorningSong’s been sung
Redykeulous is lurking
under Jenniebeanie’s bun

Davidben’s been digging
in Yashafox’s hole
And Wouldee woudn’t acquiesce
to Symbelmyne’s control

Reading words upon a page
with no preconceived ideas
Pulling hair with great despair
and screaming “Mama Mia’s”

no photo
Mon 03/17/08 11:19 PM
CreativeSoul is searching
MorningSong’s been sung
Redykeulous is lurking
under Jenniebeanie’s bun



I was wondering what was lurking under my bun. .....noway

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

creativesoul's photo
Tue 03/18/08 03:07 AM
****In my best Terminator voice...laugh ****

"I'll be back... "

:wink:

feralcatlady's photo
Tue 03/18/08 12:00 PM
Edited by feralcatlady on Tue 03/18/08 12:04 PM
I think every day that your alive should be an experience in learning. I too was brought up for example knowing the difference between right and wrong, and of course paying the price if I chose the wrong way. I learned and it was stored for possible future use.

For example if your 17 and the guy your dating is a real ****wad......you can either

a. stay together with a ****wad.

b. Learn from it and move on.

Now here is where it gets tricky and where this can be applied to about everything in ones life. For alot of people they set the pattern of going out with the ****wad and they can't figure out why over and over and over again, they can't find happiness or a good man.

Now if you learn from the mistake and have it in the memory banks for future use.....you will not go for that same kind of guy......so the pattern is broken and you have learned from it.

Now as far as beliefs or ways one individual will look at life compared to another. It's totally what that individual wants from life, and where he/she sees themselves when they leave this plant. For myself because I can only speak for myself. I want to go leaving the planet a better place for me being on it. I want to every day of my life while I am here to mean something not merely to exsist....(my life motto)

I also feel that for me alone that the Lord in my life just shows me the right path for me. This in no way makes it someone else's path as mine is a personal walk with the Lord God and myself. I make the decisions of my life and he just confirms the path. Does this mean I always stay on the right path, the one He wants me on.......nope...I will stray, and I will stumble, and I will learn hard lessons....

But this to me is what life is all about.....and to live each day to do something, learn something, be something.....

I also think insight comes from the trials of life.....and should also always be teaching you in some respect....