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Topic: God is NOT a loving god.
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/19/13 08:56 PM
Oh yeah... And most atheists agree. What fun is that? It is much more interesting to talk about our disagreements.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 06/19/13 09:03 PM
The wide eyed gullible innocent "children of God" who still believe in 2000 year old myths should attempt to open their minds and hearts and grow up. People need to come out of the fog of religion and seek the God within them. God does not exist "out there" our "up there." God has not pledged support for any particular religious cult or chosen people. God does not care who wins any football game or war. Religions are created by men. The idea of a single supreme deity as described by religions was created by men. Life is wondrous, perhaps divine and mysterious, but no one has ever seen or heard from this entity called God that they claim exists. Religion is a cult that says certain things to people about remaining faithful to this big lie and a cult that peddles guilt for having doubts about illogical stories. Don't fall for that mind control. Its a cult. Its worse. Its hypnotism. The wide eyed gullible innocent "children of God" who still believe in 2000 year old myths should attempt to open their minds and hearts and grow up. And you know they are myths how? Is it because they were done 2000 years ago? So with that, you're saying in 2000 years from now "assuming the world is around then" anything done today and documented will be nothing more then a myth? God does not care who wins any football game or war. Entirely agree. He couldn't care less about football I would say and war is against his will. Religions are created by men. Again, entirely agree with you. Religion is a cult that says certain things to people about remaining faithful to this big lie and a cult that peddles guilt for having doubts about illogical stories. But how do you know it's a lie? And if you wish to put us in the "cult" category, the same could be said about any and all the people that believe as you do. With your definition of "cult" it's obvious that you believe any and all people that think/believe the same are a cult. So therefore you're placing yourself in a cult as well with the other's that believe/think as you. Actually, it was Justin Martyr in his letters to Origen who admitted Xian to be a myth

Lazarus102 Joined Sun 05/19/13 Posts: 201	Thu 06/20/13 07:13 AM
Oh yeah... And most atheists agree. What fun is that? It is much more interesting to talk about our disagreements. Admittedly this thread turned out far better than it would have if I'd done it in the atheist forums. My complaint about the atheist forums being dead was more in my making a parallel comparison of the forums and the amount of religions/non-religious people in reality; which was likely wrong of me, I'm sure there's far more atheists in the world than what have come forward in these forums. I'm sure a lot of atheists don't come forward because they're here trying to score a date and they put themselves outta the running with half the people on the site if they don't believe in god. On the other hand if I was trying to score a date, I still wouldn't give a crap if people knew I was an atheist; if some chick wants to put me on the back-burner cuz I don't take fairy tales as being proof positive reality then to heck with her. I can handle religious people as long as they at least use some of their brain and view it all objectively but if all they do is read outta their bible and god this and god that and "it is because it is" while blindly following an invisible non-existence then go back to your religious-zombie lifestyle, don't got the time for you. lol.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 06/20/13 08:26 AM
It is a good idea to learn as much as possible about hypnotism and how it works. When you do, you will see it being used everywhere, everyday in your daily life. When you become aware of what it is, then you can have more power over your life by paying attention to what you place your attention on, and paying attention to how you use words, and how people will use hypnotism to manipulate you. I must be confused.. I see you saying Hypnotism is worse than religion. Then u say it is useful. Yet religion I suppose is like a scapegoat. If Hypnotism is worse than religion then why uphold Phycology yet bring down the Bible.. Ii am so confused JB? Yes, you probably are confused. (You are in somewhat of a trance state yourself and have been hypnotized by the cult you believe in.) The only way to come out of a trance is to realize you are in one. I did not say hypnotism was worse than religion. I said religion is a cult, and worse, its hypnotism. Recognize it for what it is. Hypnotism itself is a method of putting people in a trance and speaking to their subconscious minds to manipulate their personal belief. The power of belief is astronomical. Science has proven that if a mind cannot believe something, the person cannot see it at all. This has been PROVEN with hypnotism. A person can be hypnotized to be completely blind. Or he can be hypnotized not to see a particular person or thing at all. Or he can be made to see and believe there is a pink elephant in the room!! People need to know these things, and learn about the power of belief and what hypnotism is and how it is used on them every day. Absolutely agree with you, hypnotism has gone rapid these days. People believe all kinds of crazy things these days. got that right!!!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 06/20/13 10:36 AM
The smart thing to do is to not believe ANYTHING. Just sit back and observe the illusion and stay out of the way.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Thu 06/20/13 05:00 PM
I can handle religious people as long as they at least use some of their brain and view it all objectively but if all they do is read outta their bible and god this and god that and "it is because it is" while blindly following an invisible non-existence then go back to your religious-zombie lifestyle, don't got the time for you. lol. Well, I can understand the sentiment here, but you've a long road ahead trying to convince me that viewing anything can be done objectively. Just sayin' You're welcome to try though.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 06/20/13 05:52 PM Edited by RKISIT on Thu 06/20/13 05:53 PM
Oh yeah... And most atheists agree. What fun is that? It is much more interesting to talk about our disagreements. Admittedly this thread turned out far better than it would have if I'd done it in the atheist forums. My complaint about the atheist forums being dead was more in my making a parallel comparison of the forums and the amount of religions/non-religious people in reality; which was likely wrong of me, I'm sure there's far more atheists in the world than what have come forward in these forums. I'm sure a lot of atheists don't come forward because they're here trying to score a date and they put themselves outta the running with half the people on the site if they don't believe in god. On the other hand if I was trying to score a date, I still wouldn't give a crap if people knew I was an atheist; if some chick wants to put me on the back-burner cuz I don't take fairy tales as being proof positive reality then to heck with her. I can handle religious people as long as they at least use some of their brain and view it all objectively but if all they do is read outta their bible and god this and god that and "it is because it is" while blindly following an invisible non-existence then go back to your religious-zombie lifestyle, don't got the time for you. lol. Well you have to see it as on atheist forums when discussion of religion and deities is brought up it's basically in a forum where everyone pretty much agrees and it's random posting here and there. Now if you go on a general religion forum as an atheist then theres much more debating. Sometimes you'll get a weak atheist vs a strong atheist debate or even a humanist vs strong atheist debate but that's as rare as prayers being answered...hehe.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 06/20/13 05:56 PM
Oh yeah... And most atheists agree. What fun is that? It is much more interesting to talk about our disagreements. Admittedly this thread turned out far better than it would have if I'd done it in the atheist forums. My complaint about the atheist forums being dead was more in my making a parallel comparison of the forums and the amount of religions/non-religious people in reality; which was likely wrong of me, I'm sure there's far more atheists in the world than what have come forward in these forums. I'm sure a lot of atheists don't come forward because they're here trying to score a date and they put themselves outta the running with half the people on the site if they don't believe in god. On the other hand if I was trying to score a date, I still wouldn't give a crap if people knew I was an atheist; if some chick wants to put me on the back-burner cuz I don't take fairy tales as being proof positive reality then to heck with her. I can handle religious people as long as they at least use some of their brain and view it all objectively but if all they do is read outta their bible and god this and god that and "it is because it is" while blindly following an invisible non-existence then go back to your religious-zombie lifestyle, don't got the time for you. lol. Well you have to see it as on atheist forums when discussion of religion and deities is brought up it's basically in a forum where everyone pretty much agrees and it's random posting here and there. Now if you go on a general religion forum as an atheist then theres much more debating. Sometimes you'll get a weak atheist vs a strong atheist debate or even a humanist vs strong atheist debate but that's as rare as prayers being answered...hehe. Your prayers don't get answered? Poor baby.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 06/20/13 06:00 PM
Oh yeah... And most atheists agree. What fun is that? It is much more interesting to talk about our disagreements. Admittedly this thread turned out far better than it would have if I'd done it in the atheist forums. My complaint about the atheist forums being dead was more in my making a parallel comparison of the forums and the amount of religions/non-religious people in reality; which was likely wrong of me, I'm sure there's far more atheists in the world than what have come forward in these forums. I'm sure a lot of atheists don't come forward because they're here trying to score a date and they put themselves outta the running with half the people on the site if they don't believe in god. On the other hand if I was trying to score a date, I still wouldn't give a crap if people knew I was an atheist; if some chick wants to put me on the back-burner cuz I don't take fairy tales as being proof positive reality then to heck with her. I can handle religious people as long as they at least use some of their brain and view it all objectively but if all they do is read outta their bible and god this and god that and "it is because it is" while blindly following an invisible non-existence then go back to your religious-zombie lifestyle, don't got the time for you. lol. Well you have to see it as on atheist forums when discussion of religion and deities is brought up it's basically in a forum where everyone pretty much agrees and it's random posting here and there. Now if you go on a general religion forum as an atheist then theres much more debating. Sometimes you'll get a weak atheist vs a strong atheist debate or even a humanist vs strong atheist debate but that's as rare as prayers being answered...hehe. Your prayers don't get answered? Poor baby. Is playing the lotto a form of praying?If it is that's about as close as i get to it.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 06/20/13 07:57 PM
Oh yeah... And most atheists agree. What fun is that? It is much more interesting to talk about our disagreements. Admittedly this thread turned out far better than it would have if I'd done it in the atheist forums. My complaint about the atheist forums being dead was more in my making a parallel comparison of the forums and the amount of religions/non-religious people in reality; which was likely wrong of me, I'm sure there's far more atheists in the world than what have come forward in these forums. I'm sure a lot of atheists don't come forward because they're here trying to score a date and they put themselves outta the running with half the people on the site if they don't believe in god. On the other hand if I was trying to score a date, I still wouldn't give a crap if people knew I was an atheist; if some chick wants to put me on the back-burner cuz I don't take fairy tales as being proof positive reality then to heck with her. I can handle religious people as long as they at least use some of their brain and view it all objectively but if all they do is read outta their bible and god this and god that and "it is because it is" while blindly following an invisible non-existence then go back to your religious-zombie lifestyle, don't got the time for you. lol. Well you have to see it as on atheist forums when discussion of religion and deities is brought up it's basically in a forum where everyone pretty much agrees and it's random posting here and there. Now if you go on a general religion forum as an atheist then theres much more debating. Sometimes you'll get a weak atheist vs a strong atheist debate or even a humanist vs strong atheist debate but that's as rare as prayers being answered...hehe. Your prayers don't get answered? Poor baby. Is playing the lotto a form of praying?If it is that's about as close as i get to it. Yeh, a lot of people pray for the exact same lotto. You have to pray harder than the next guy, and it helps if you believe. But your prayer was answered. The answer was: "Not this time.."

teadipper Joined Wed 10/19/11 Posts: 2732	Thu 06/20/13 08:12 PM
Oh yeah... And most atheists agree. What fun is that? It is much more interesting to talk about our disagreements. Admittedly this thread turned out far better than it would have if I'd done it in the atheist forums. My complaint about the atheist forums being dead was more in my making a parallel comparison of the forums and the amount of religions/non-religious people in reality; which was likely wrong of me, I'm sure there's far more atheists in the world than what have come forward in these forums. I'm sure a lot of atheists don't come forward because they're here trying to score a date and they put themselves outta the running with half the people on the site if they don't believe in god. On the other hand if I was trying to score a date, I still wouldn't give a crap if people knew I was an atheist; if some chick wants to put me on the back-burner cuz I don't take fairy tales as being proof positive reality then to heck with her. I can handle religious people as long as they at least use some of their brain and view it all objectively but if all they do is read outta their bible and god this and god that and "it is because it is" while blindly following an invisible non-existence then go back to your religious-zombie lifestyle, don't got the time for you. lol. Well you have to see it as on atheist forums when discussion of religion and deities is brought up it's basically in a forum where everyone pretty much agrees and it's random posting here and there. Now if you go on a general religion forum as an atheist then theres much more debating. Sometimes you'll get a weak atheist vs a strong atheist debate or even a humanist vs strong atheist debate but that's as rare as prayers being answered...hehe. Your prayers don't get answered? Poor baby. Is playing the lotto a form of praying?If it is that's about as close as i get to it. Yeh, a lot of people pray for the exact same lotto. You have to pray harder than the next guy, and it helps if you believe. But your prayer was answered. The answer was: "Not this time.." Reminds me of the Mitch Hedberg joke about yogurt. He opens a container of Yoplait and it says TRY AGAIN It was a contest he was unaware of. He thought maybe it was Yoplait trying to encourage him "Fruit on the bottom. Hope on top".

Lazarus102 Joined Sun 05/19/13 Posts: 201	Fri 06/21/13 08:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZcA4uGgRI George Carlin has some good stuff to say about prayers.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Fri 06/21/13 10:16 AM Edited by creativesoul on Fri 06/21/13 10:17 AM
The smart thing to do is to not believe ANYTHING. Just sit back and observe the illusion and stay out of the way. Do not believe that it is an illusion. That's believing something anyway, so the claim is untenable and/or self-defeating to begin with. Love ya JB.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 06/21/13 10:27 AM
The smart thing to do is to not believe ANYTHING. Just sit back and observe the illusion and stay out of the way. Why? Could it kick you?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 06/21/13 11:53 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 06/21/13 11:54 AM
The smart thing to do is to not believe ANYTHING. Just sit back and observe the illusion and stay out of the way. Do not believe that it is an illusion. That's believing something anyway, so the claim is untenable and/or self-defeating to begin with. Love ya JB. Creativesoul, what you see is either an illusion or you can call it real. What you 'think' or 'believe' it is, or what you call it is irrelevant. You call it real, fine. I call it illusion, fine. It makes no difference. It is what we say and decide it to be. We name it what we want to name it. So sit back, enjoy the show and stay out of the way.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 06/21/13 11:58 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 06/21/13 11:58 AM
The smart thing to do is to not believe ANYTHING. Just sit back and observe the illusion and stay out of the way. Why? Could it kick you? You stay out of the way because the illusion of your body Operates and interacts within the same frequency range as the rocks people might throw at your body or the feet they might kick it with. You are programmed to feel the pain. Your programs can also be terminated.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Fri 06/21/13 03:43 PM
The smart thing to do is to not believe ANYTHING. Just sit back and observe the illusion and stay out of the way. Do not believe that it is an illusion. That's believing something anyway, so the claim is untenable and/or self-defeating to begin with. Love ya JB. Creativesoul, what you see is either an illusion or you can call it real. What you 'think' or 'believe' it is, or what you call it is irrelevant. You call it real, fine. I call it illusion, fine. It makes no difference. It is what we say and decide it to be. We name it what we want to name it. So sit back, enjoy the show and stay out of the way. C'mon Jb. That doesn't work. The word "illusion" was coined after we became aware of the fallibility of our own sensory perception. In other words, we know what makes an illusion what it is. We can explain how it is and why it is. Thus, to call everything an "illusion" renders the terms utterly meaningless. The subject matter is much more complex than what naming involves. Based upon what you wrote above(what I initially responded to) you think/believe that everything is an illusion. If that is true, then you do not follow what you advised others to do which was not to believe anything. Believing everything is an illusion is not only a belief, it is also a false one.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 06/21/13 03:59 PM
Experience is the only thing "real."

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 06/21/13 04:04 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 06/21/13 04:05 PM
The smart thing to do is to not believe ANYTHING. Just sit back and observe the illusion and stay out of the way. Do not believe that it is an illusion. That's believing something anyway, so the claim is untenable and/or self-defeating to begin with. Love ya JB. Creativesoul, what you see is either an illusion or you can call it real. What you 'think' or 'believe' it is, or what you call it is irrelevant. You call it real, fine. I call it illusion, fine. It makes no difference. It is what we say and decide it to be. We name it what we want to name it. So sit back, enjoy the show and stay out of the way. C'mon Jb. That doesn't work. The word "illusion" was coined after we became aware of the fallibility of our own sensory perception. In other words, we know what makes an illusion what it is. We can explain how it is and why it is. Thus, to call everything an "illusion" renders the terms utterly meaningless. The subject matter is much more complex than what naming involves. Based upon what you wrote above(what I initially responded to) you think/believe that everything is an illusion. If that is true, then you do not follow what you advised others to do which was not to believe anything. Believing everything is an illusion is not only a belief, it is also a false one. I don't believe anything except my own experience, and that I exist. However, if I choose to call it "real" then I mean that it is a real experience. If I call it an "illusion" it means that although I see it and hear it and feel it, it does not move me all that much. It is more like watching a movie. I don't need agreement to verify what is real in my experience. I don't need an authority to tell me what is real or illusion.

Lazarus102 Joined Sun 05/19/13 Posts: 201	Fri 06/21/13 06:32 PM
I kinda get what you're saying. Basically it breaks down to, reality for each person is different, but also that reality is only "reality" because that is what we perceive it to be. For religious people the words in the bible are reality because they build that reality in their minds. I've spent many hours and days pondering the reality around me, for it is all interpretation of the senses. On a side note, I'd feel weird about calling Jean "JB" cuz that's what people call Justin Bieber.