Young man,,,,your philosophical braging would take you nowhere.......you talk as if you had every obvious proof that God didn't exist,,,, but you had none......you just being logical thats all and thats is understandable.....I have this question for you......Have you seen the lame walked or blind regained sight just by mentioning the name Jesus??? If you had seen or heard,,,,what could be the power behind that??? @Larzarus:)

Criteria? No. But it is a clue, that homosexual tendencies may not be a conscious choice.

Curious what you think about middle school maybe younger and High School kids in Cali that kids who claim they are gay will be able to choose what sports teams they play on and what bathrooms they use.

So since do you believe 12 or 13 yo girls and boys should be able to undress in the oppisite sex locker rooms? Hey if I was 14 I might decide i want to be gay and run around naked with the girls like I feel I am? Think this is a good idea JB?

Nothing at all. However belief is the key,
whatever your concept of God is (or is not.

Do you really believe or do you just think you do?
A lot of people think they believe, but they really don't.




[I strongly believe that God exists,,so i don't just think so......]

Yea agreed on that point homosexual may not be a concious choice......but one fact you have to know is that God wants this thing this way and people that don't have fear of God in them or people that don't believe in God at all want it the other way round....trying to find what woud happen if its done their own way....And this satan instigating this into people's minds just to distort the plans of God.....So some these unconcious choices are caused by unseen powers.....

No, but I have seen people die after Benny Hinn cured them

Criteria? No. But it is a clue, that homosexual tendencies may not be a conscious choice.

I am merely pointing out that the occurrence of homosexual behavior in animals occurring in nature, IS A CLUE (not criteria) that sexual preferences have nothing to do with a conscious choice as so many religious people claim.

But your response makes absolutely no sense at all.

So from that you surmised that I believe 12 or 13 yo girls and boys should be able to undress in the opposite sex locker rooms? Where on earth do you come up with such ridiculous interpretations and absurd assumptions?

Do you misunderstand what I am saying to that extreme extent?

Just for a moment try to get your mind around the fact that people do not chose their sexual orientation.... they are born that way.

If you refuse to accept that, then accept the fact that I believe that homosexuals are born that way.

And try not to confuse homosexuals with transgenders. Transgenders are people who are born with the physical equipment of both sexes.

Yea agreed on that point homosexual may not be a concious choice......but one fact you have to know is that God wants this thing this way and people that don't have fear of God in them or people that don't believe in God at all want it the other way round....trying to find what woud happen if its done their own way....And this satan instigating this into people's minds just to distort the plans of God.....So some these unconcious choices are caused by unseen powers.....

I was just merely asking a question of you what you think about that is all JB. sorry just disregard then. Take it easy

And who is Benny Hnn??? Thats,, did i say by mentioning the name 'Benny Hinn'???@TBR

I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't.
I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god?

It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah.

But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god.

The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone?

If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me.

Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment.
All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan".

In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that.

But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science.

Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation.

God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist.

your post was wayy to long for me to waste time reading past the first few lines, which did a greatway to pave the road for the loads of ******** that it all cinsists of. don't get me wrong, i don't believe in god, but to insult those who believe differently than you is, by definition, retarded. Science is just as validated as any other religion, due to the fact that nohing, beyond our existance, can be undeniabley proven. even science has different beliefs, even when it goes down to its fundementals, hence the lable of "theory" to be applied.
with all of that being said, i feel like you just made this thread as a fry for attention, due to your lack of confidence, which you attempt to mask by trying to bully a demographic you deem as less intelectual.
please, feel free to respond, i am very bored, and would be more than happy if i successfully spark a conversation wih at least one person on this site

and you are trying to achieve that Conversation by insulting those Persons?

Jeannie,,,your first comment ''I don't fear God'' would have been their is no God so not nothing to fear about,,,,

and above all,, because of what you call law of causation.....could recall somewhere on this thread you said ''that gays were born that way''....now you said people created what happened to them...So don't you think your comment ''gays were born that way'' negates your claims here???