Perhaps if you had obeyed the first command... love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and body and strength and serve him only... you would not have lied or stole or coveted and would not have come under judgement?

Yes it's judgment because you are asserting as truth instead of belief. You do not KNOW that this is true, you believe it, it's arrogant to assume. It's your personal belief, not a damn fact.

Love doesn't demand servitude, and any being that does to love has an ego complex, God has no ego.

Besides if those accusing God of killing and being unloving; who were they who came to destruction? Homosexual offenders. Adultorators. Idolaters. Devil worshippers. Liars. Purgerors. Thieves. Murderers. The proud. The arrogant. Etc etc etc.

Love doesn't destroy either......any being that would destroy someone here for a choice they made would be in prison, why does God get a pass? And he's supposed to be better than us? Please.

So now what about those God predestined for glory? Will they suffer wrath and destruction?

And that's another thing, first off a being of love does NOT pick and choose whom he does or does not kill. That's absurd. Secondly.....if God predestined whom he saves and whom he doesn't he's even worse then because he KNOWINGLY destroys people of his OWN CHOICE, not their own. That's not someone of love, that's a freaking psychopath.

Who said God demands servitude? God is a Father who freely gives? And yet they hated him without reason.... they sought their own lusts and pleasures... "fun" .... that lasts only a moment. Then call God unloving because you suffer death for things you know you ought not do against your neighbour. Lol.

UHH you did? what do you think demanding obedience and love is???

where am I stating its a 'FACT'? what are you talking asbout?

THIS WHOLE THREAD IS CENTRED ON PERSONAL OPINIUONS AND BELIEFS'

Everyone posting their opinion believes its the 'right' opinion,,,,can we abandon the attitude,,?

When Christians will abandon their holier than thou mindset maybe....but not holding my breath. The way I see it putting everything that "persecutes" your beliefs as the work of Satan is arrogant no matter what you say.

Kleisto,, I dont know what to tell you honey

when you find any group that doesnt contain individuals who feel superior,,,let me know,,,

this thread, in fact, was started with an op suggesting the superior and more 'intelligent' belief is one that is not in God,,,,,

but for that, I would feel no need to have even commented or debated

and for pages, others continued to imply some inferior status of believers as 'brainwashed' not 'intellectual', and even somehow psychologically stunted,,,,


not sure why that is going ignored when you are reading here,, but as I said, dont know what to tell you if you are equating debating belittling comments with having a 'holier than thou' attitude

Lifes tough but no one knows that more then Jesus.

God is a loving God that's why rather then destroy us completely, He has given us this very short stay here, to repent and accept salvation in Christ.

Things will only get good for those who have and for those who have not, but have squandered this opportunity, things will be a lot worse.

I truly did repent, I forgave myself, and I haven't sinned since.

and likewise when people are gonna say their morals are better than someone else's......I will speak up too because that's who I choose to be. So there.
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Brilliant oh i have heard and seen this so many times by believers.
"Following god and jesus laws are the moral thing to do." or "america is going down hill cause the schools have taken god out of it"...
Uh if i'm not mistaken the pledge of allegiance originally didn't have "under god" in it.
If following gods and jesus laws is moral then why did slavery end?Why is killing a homosexual a hate crime?Reason for both is it's not moral for there to be slaves and killing homosexuals.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Case and point

western slavery was not a COMMAND

references to slavery in the bible were about the SOCIAL CLIMATE of that culture and encouraged people to treat people with decency,, period,,,,not the WESTERN version of whipping and selling children into slavery,,,,,that was never COMMANDED.....

nor was it commanded that WE KILL homosexuals,, especially after the sacrifice of Jesus when jews were no longer set aside from others,

consenting 'slaves' is not immoral,,,we still have BDSM lifestyles today,, with RESPECT Between master and consentual slave

and followers of Christ were told that to spill blood of another man is not moral,,,,,unless one is sinless themself,, which none are,,,

So exodus 21:20-21 is treating slaves with decency?I guess hitting them with a rod is fine as long as you don't kill them.

Also lets not forget exodus 21:7-11,how is that a consenting daughter?

yes, Corrective discipline is a decent thing, if its not ABUSIVE,, which is a different thing altogether,,

although I know todays culture doesnt think so,,,,

msharmony i understand that the "back then" excuse is used to justify what god didn't condemn,but on the other hand today if you really wanted to do it it's still okay by god.
Even though in most civilized countries it's considered immoral and against the law.