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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus - part 2
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Thu 12/08/11 03:28 PM


I'm guessing you don't know what sex is or sexual contact. Well let me be here to tell you, "sex" involves a penis,and a vagina, or some form of "artificial" penis. None of that was used in the impregnating of Marry.


jeez don't mention penis because then Peter_Pan will come a running

but anyway something was place in mary...what was it? ....the holy spirit perhaps....sounds lke a tallywhacker




You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


the holy spirit equated to sperm



the holy spirit equated to sperm


What are you talking about? Jesus = The Holy Spirit in the flesh.

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Thu 12/08/11 03:41 PM



And now I know absolutely for a fact, you're not listening. for I never said anything about God's heart. God knows OUR hearts, knows what WE desire, what WE need. And to show this is why I posted that verse, that even if someone commits something in their mind eg., a fantasy or a thought, God knows this and we are accountable for it. Your thoughts are just as judged as your actions. For first must come a thought before an action.


you're only proving why Man has no 'Free Will" and this is why you can not provide a passage where Adam made any decisions pertaining to his rib or a spouse

the guy simply had no Will



Funches, you should know by now that anything that has a woman and a lonely man, the man has no free will!


that would explain why Adam took from the fruit, he had the choice to either take from the fruit or have Eve mad at him and not give him sex for all eternity ...

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Thu 12/08/11 04:07 PM

You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


The Holy Spirit was used to fertilze mary's Egg

Jesus didn't receive the Holy Spirit until he was Baptized which is why he's not The Holy Spirit

also for those that believe in The Trinity and believe that The Holy Spirit is a God ...this would mean that The Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus not "The Father aka Yahweh"







CowboyGH's photo
Thu 12/08/11 06:23 PM


You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


The Holy Spirit was used to fertilze mary's Egg

Jesus didn't receive the Holy Spirit until he was Baptized which is why he's not The Holy Spirit

also for those that believe in The Trinity and believe that The Holy Spirit is a God ...this would mean that The Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus not "The Father aka Yahweh"









Are you sure that's when he received the holy spirit?

Luke 1:15

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

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Thu 12/08/11 06:26 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 12/08/11 06:27 PM


You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


The Holy Spirit was used to fertilze mary's Egg

Jesus didn't receive the Holy Spirit until he was Baptized which is why he's not The Holy Spirit

also for those that believe in The Trinity and believe that The Holy Spirit is a God ...this would mean that The Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus not "The Father aka Yahweh"









Jesus didn't receive any Holy Spirit at the baptism. The Spirit OF GOD DESCENDED upon them, nothing about "The Holy Spirit".

Matthew 3:16-17
16And Jesus, when he was baptised, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

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Thu 12/08/11 07:16 PM



You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


The Holy Spirit was used to fertilze mary's Egg

Jesus didn't receive the Holy Spirit until he was Baptized which is why he's not The Holy Spirit

also for those that believe in The Trinity and believe that The Holy Spirit is a God ...this would mean that The Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus not "The Father aka Yahweh"









Are you sure that's when he received the holy spirit?

Luke 1:15

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.


you claim that Jesus was the holy spirit...the passage you provided states that he will be filled with the holy Ghost nothing about him being The Holy Spirit

also the passage states that he will not drink wine...the passage can't be referring to Jesus because Jesus clearly drank wine ...perhaps the name of the wine he drank was called holy spirit

but anyway...now that we know that Jesus isn't the Holy Spirit, this is why the holy spirit was not a God but the sperm that fertilized Mary's Egg


CowboyGH's photo
Thu 12/08/11 07:26 PM




You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


The Holy Spirit was used to fertilze mary's Egg

Jesus didn't receive the Holy Spirit until he was Baptized which is why he's not The Holy Spirit

also for those that believe in The Trinity and believe that The Holy Spirit is a God ...this would mean that The Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus not "The Father aka Yahweh"









Are you sure that's when he received the holy spirit?

Luke 1:15

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.


you claim that Jesus was the holy spirit...the passage you provided states that he will be filled with the holy Ghost nothing about him being The Holy Spirit

also the passage states that he will not drink wine...the passage can't be referring to Jesus because Jesus clearly drank wine ...perhaps the name of the wine he drank was called holy spirit

but anyway...now that we know that Jesus isn't the Holy Spirit, this is why the holy spirit was not a God but the sperm that fertilized Mary's Egg




Luke 1:15 is not speaking of Jesus. Read further up, this verse is speaking of John.

13But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb

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Thu 12/08/11 07:27 PM





You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


The Holy Spirit was used to fertilze mary's Egg

Jesus didn't receive the Holy Spirit until he was Baptized which is why he's not The Holy Spirit

also for those that believe in The Trinity and believe that The Holy Spirit is a God ...this would mean that The Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus not "The Father aka Yahweh"









Are you sure that's when he received the holy spirit?

Luke 1:15

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.


you claim that Jesus was the holy spirit...the passage you provided states that he will be filled with the holy Ghost nothing about him being The Holy Spirit

also the passage states that he will not drink wine...the passage can't be referring to Jesus because Jesus clearly drank wine ...perhaps the name of the wine he drank was called holy spirit

but anyway...now that we know that Jesus isn't the Holy Spirit, this is why the holy spirit was not a God but the sperm that fertilized Mary's Egg




Luke 1:15 is not speaking of Jesus. Read further up, this verse is speaking of John.

13But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb


This is my fault for originally posting this verse for Jesus. My apologies.

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Thu 12/08/11 07:39 PM



I'm guessing you don't know what sex is or sexual contact. Well let me be here to tell you, "sex" involves a penis,and a vagina, or some form of "artificial" penis. None of that was used in the impregnating of Marry.


jeez don't mention penis because then Peter_Pan will come a running

but anyway something was place in mary...what was it? ....the holy spirit perhaps....sounds lke a tallywhacker




You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


the holy spirit equated to sperm



the holy spirit equated to sperm


What are you talking about? Jesus = The Holy Spirit in the flesh.


2 Corinthians 3:17

17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Jesus is The Holy Spirit.

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Thu 12/08/11 09:37 PM




I'm guessing you don't know what sex is or sexual contact. Well let me be here to tell you, "sex" involves a penis,and a vagina, or some form of "artificial" penis. None of that was used in the impregnating of Marry.


jeez don't mention penis because then Peter_Pan will come a running

but anyway something was place in mary...what was it? ....the holy spirit perhaps....sounds lke a tallywhacker




You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


the holy spirit equated to sperm



the holy spirit equated to sperm


What are you talking about? Jesus = The Holy Spirit in the flesh.


2 Corinthians 3:17

17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Jesus is The Holy Spirit.



Matt 12:32
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man , it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
NKJV

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Fri 12/09/11 05:44 AM

Jesus is The Holy Spirit.


Cowboy...you claimed that The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit was three seperate entities...now you are trying to claim that Jesus is both the son and the holy spirit but not the father ...that isn't a Trinity.... it's a "Duet" plus One

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that jesus is The Holy Spirit...this would mean that Jesus is his own Father and was not sired by The Father in heaven and therefore can not be his "Begotton Son"





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Fri 12/09/11 07:28 AM


Jesus is The Holy Spirit.


Cowboy...you claimed that The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit was three seperate entities...now you are trying to claim that Jesus is both the son and the holy spirit but not the father ...that isn't a Trinity.... it's a "Duet" plus One

but for the sake of argument let's go with your theory that jesus is The Holy Spirit...this would mean that Jesus is his own Father and was not sired by The Father in heaven and therefore can not be his "Begotton Son"







This has nothing to do with the trinity. No one said anything about The Holy Ghost. We were speaking about The Holy Spirit, Jesus.

1 John 5:7

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Fri 12/09/11 07:31 AM





I'm guessing you don't know what sex is or sexual contact. Well let me be here to tell you, "sex" involves a penis,and a vagina, or some form of "artificial" penis. None of that was used in the impregnating of Marry.


jeez don't mention penis because then Peter_Pan will come a running

but anyway something was place in mary...what was it? ....the holy spirit perhaps....sounds lke a tallywhacker




You got it exactly right in what you said. She was filled with the Holy spirit. She was filled with the Holy spirit, then the Holy spirit took on the form of a servant, on the form of a mortal person. Took on the form of Jesus.


the holy spirit equated to sperm



the holy spirit equated to sperm


What are you talking about? Jesus = The Holy Spirit in the flesh.


2 Corinthians 3:17

17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Jesus is The Holy Spirit.



Matt 12:32
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man , it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
NKJV



Matthew 12:32

Try looking up passages with more of an original translation from the original scriptures. Not something that has been translated from a translation. When that happens, the translator tends to translate it the way they see it.

KJV

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Fri 12/09/11 08:06 AM

This has nothing to do with the trinity. No one said anything about The Holy Ghost. We were speaking about The Holy Spirit, Jesus.


Oh My God.......oops ...I meant WTF?

jeez.... where are all the Christians at when you need them.....but anyway I guess as usual an unbeliever have to teach The Word

ok....now how do I do this without shocking the lad ...I guess the direct approach is best


Cowboy....er.... I don't know how to tell you this ...but ...er..

The Holy Ghost and The Holy Spirit are the same

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Fri 12/09/11 09:34 AM


This has nothing to do with the trinity. No one said anything about The Holy Ghost. We were speaking about The Holy Spirit, Jesus.


Oh My God.......oops ...I meant WTF?

jeez.... where are all the Christians at when you need them.....but anyway I guess as usual an unbeliever have to teach The Word

ok....now how do I do this without shocking the lad ...I guess the direct approach is best


Cowboy....er.... I don't know how to tell you this ...but ...er..

The Holy Ghost and The Holy Spirit are the same



Not exactly. The following verse would be in reference to The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Holy Ghost is one of the ones that make up our God.

Matthew 3:16

16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him

The below verse is also in reference to The Holy Spirit, as is why it is capitalised.

John 1:32

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

Now the below is in reference to The Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:22

22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased
--------

If the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit were one in the same exact, they would use the same title for both.

All these verses are from the KFV to ensure it's not just a different interpretation.

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Fri 12/09/11 09:36 AM



This has nothing to do with the trinity. No one said anything about The Holy Ghost. We were speaking about The Holy Spirit, Jesus.


Oh My God.......oops ...I meant WTF?

jeez.... where are all the Christians at when you need them.....but anyway I guess as usual an unbeliever have to teach The Word

ok....now how do I do this without shocking the lad ...I guess the direct approach is best


Cowboy....er.... I don't know how to tell you this ...but ...er..

The Holy Ghost and The Holy Spirit are the same



Not exactly. The following verse would be in reference to The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Holy Ghost is one of the ones that make up our God.

Matthew 3:16

16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him

The below verse is also in reference to The Holy Spirit, as is why it is capitalised.

John 1:32

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

Now the below is in reference to The Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:22

22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased
--------

If the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit were one in the same exact, they would use the same title for both.

All these verses are from the KFV to ensure it's not just a different interpretation.


The three that make up the trinity are The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit would be the spirit of the father.

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Fri 12/09/11 09:38 AM




This has nothing to do with the trinity. No one said anything about The Holy Ghost. We were speaking about The Holy Spirit, Jesus.


Oh My God.......oops ...I meant WTF?

jeez.... where are all the Christians at when you need them.....but anyway I guess as usual an unbeliever have to teach The Word

ok....now how do I do this without shocking the lad ...I guess the direct approach is best


Cowboy....er.... I don't know how to tell you this ...but ...er..

The Holy Ghost and The Holy Spirit are the same



Not exactly. The following verse would be in reference to The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Holy Ghost is one of the ones that make up our God.

Matthew 3:16

16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him

The below verse is also in reference to The Holy Spirit, as is why it is capitalised.

John 1:32

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

Now the below is in reference to The Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:22

22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased
--------

If the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit were one in the same exact, they would use the same title for both.

All these verses are from the KFV to ensure it's not just a different interpretation.


The three that make up the trinity are The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit would be the spirit of the father.


Here are the 4 instances of "Holy Spirit" in the KJV New Testament:

Lk. 11:13 ("If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?")


Here it translates the Greek, "pneuma agion," literally "ghost/spirit holy" since adjectives follow nouns in Greek. Same expression used in Lk. 1:35, Lk. 2:25, Jn. 7:39, translated by KJV as "Holy Ghost."


Eph. 1:13 ("In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.")


The Greek phrase is, "to pneumati tos epaggelias to agio." Literally something like "of the ghost/spirit of promise [of] holy." Similar expression "pneumati agio" used in Mk. 1:8, Mt. 3:11, Acts 1:5, translated "Holy Ghost" in KJV. Similar expression "to pneumati to agio" used in Mk. 12:36, translated Holy Ghost.


Eph. 4:30 ("And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.")


Greek is "to pneuma to agion." Literally, "of spirit his [of] holy." Same expression used in Mk. 3:29, Mk. 13:11, Lk. 3:22, Jn. 14:26, translated "Holy Ghost" by KJV.


1 Thess. 4:8 ("He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.") Same Greek phrase as in Eph. 4:30.


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Fri 12/09/11 11:18 AM



This has nothing to do with the trinity. No one said anything about The Holy Ghost. We were speaking about The Holy Spirit, Jesus.


Oh My God.......oops ...I meant WTF?

jeez.... where are all the Christians at when you need them.....but anyway I guess as usual an unbeliever have to teach The Word

ok....now how do I do this without shocking the lad ...I guess the direct approach is best


Cowboy....er.... I don't know how to tell you this ...but ...er..

The Holy Ghost and The Holy Spirit are the same



Not exactly. The following verse would be in reference to The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Holy Ghost is one of the ones that make up our God.

Matthew 3:16

16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him

The below verse is also in reference to The Holy Spirit, as is why it is capitalised.

John 1:32

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

Now the below is in reference to The Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:22

22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased
--------

If the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit were one in the same exact, they would use the same title for both.

All these verses are from the KFV to ensure it's not just a different interpretation.


the passages you provided only proves they are the same entity, both John and Luke give the same exact scenerio except one called it The Holy Spirit the other called it the Holy Ghost

also the passage you provided states that the holy ghost descended "UPON" Jesus ...not that it was Jesus


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Fri 12/09/11 02:59 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Fri 12/09/11 03:01 PM
Holy Spirit..Holy Ghost ( same 3rd person of the Godhead)...

Jesus is Not the Holy Ghost( the Holy Ghost is the 3rd

Person of the Trinity).


Jesus is the SECOND Person of the Trinity...the Father is the

FIRST person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is

the 3rd person of the Trinity (and the 3 persons make up ONE

God (ENTITY).


The 3 persons within the One Godhead, don't ever switch

persons, but all three persons ( Father, Son ,Holy Spirit )

remain that Person ........but still all 3 Persons make up

ONLY ONE GOD ( or ONE ENTITY....NOT 3 ENTITIES.....BUT ONLY

ONE ENTITY)!!!


That is why, when the Holy Spirit Indwells a believer, that the

Father and Son ALSO are indwelling a believer....because THERE IS

ONLY ONE GOD.....

and all 3 Persons make up ONLY ONE GOD !!!

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ( ENTITY).


The 3 Persons make up just ONE ENTITY....not 3 Entities..but

ONLY ONE ENTITY(3 persons in ONE ENTITY..or ONE GOD).

REPEAT:


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ( ONE ENTITY).




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Sat 12/10/11 05:45 AM

The 3 Persons make up just ONE ENTITY....not 3 Entities..but

ONLY ONE ENTITY(3 persons in ONE ENTITY..or ONE GOD).

REPEAT:


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ( ONE ENTITY).


three persons can "ACT" as one entity but individuality makes it impossible for three persons to be one entity

FOR EXAMPLE
if the holy spirit is a God...and it was the holy spirit that enter into Mary to spawn Jesus....then explain why The Holy Spirit is not The Father

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