When are you guys gonna just "agree to disagree" with each other, and live and let live, and quit trying to change each other. Like I said before, "it aint happening", and you guys KNOW THAT.

AGREE TO DISAGREE! Then do your own thing, no matter what that is.

Your being silly again!

Just sayin.

No, he was resurrected.

Matthew 12:40

40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus was in hell for 3 days and nights, he conquered death for us all.

We've agreed to disagree long time ago. But Cowboy still goes on and on stating his beliefs as if he got them from God himself. That gets real annoying.

We do agree to disagree, we're just discussing our differences lol :)=

I don't think he did. I see Christians die all the time. They are not coming back to life in three days. They are dead and gone.

This is a religion forum, this is where people discuss "god". Whichever belief that is nevertheless, this forum is for talking about God. So of course I would be talking about God. I would suggest if you don't wish to hear about God, speaking in a different forum.

-Disclaimer-
Not ment in an insulting way, or to push you away from this forum. Just a word of advise, since this is indeed the religion forum. Religion = Belief in a God(s) and or some form of spiritual belief. So again, of course "god" would be discussed in here.

In secular terms they are dead yes. But we will not know if they are dead till judgement time. The passing away of this mortal body is not "death". Again is merely "death" in a secular term. Death is when one does not receive the gift of eternal life. This we will not know until the time of judgement when Jesus returns.

If what you said above is true, then Jesus did not "die" on the cross for our sins or for any other reason.

"The passing away of this mortal body is not "death".

Oooooooooooooooooooooook.

so if i do not believe that racism is good for mankind, which i don't, i should not participate on a skinhead forum?? what is a forum if not for the free and open discussion and exchange of views no matter how different the views? i happen to think that religious dogma is a detriment to humanity. that many dastardly deeds have been comitted "in the name of god" and absurdly excused as "god's will" and i'm not alone in this thinking. so where if not a religious forum should i express my views on religion and god??

Sure he did, he died for 3 days.

Matthew 12:40

40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

This is absolutely correct.

People who believe that religion in general is a detriment to humanity, or that any specific religious dogma is a detriment to society, have every right to speak their thoughts on why they feel that this is the case.

Discussions about religion don't need to support religious beliefs. On the contrary, they can be observations of precisely why a person feels that such beliefs are totally unwarranted and/or potentially harmful to society.

Those are perfectly valid point to make about religions.

And this is especially true of ancient religious doctrine the accuse all of humanity of "falling from Grace" from their God and needed to appease the God by supporting the religion.

That's an accusation against everyone and therefore everyone has a right to state why they feel that such accusations are totally without merit and/or appear to be utterly absurd.

Those are certainly valid concerns about religions.

We all have to live in the same world with the "Jihadists".

So we all have a RIGHT to speak out against this foolishness.

Cowboy,

nope.
You just said:

"The passing away of this mortal body is not "death".

So he did not die.

Jesus did not die because passing away of this mortal body is not death.

You're not listening Jeanie. In the post in question, I did not just say his body passed away. Jesus spent three days in the heart of the Earth eg., hell. The following verses is a good example to show what "heart of the Earth" is in reference of. Heart of the Earth, as in the middle, inside of, ect.

Romans 10:6-7

6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

Cowboy, knock of the double talk.

Either he died on the cross or he didn't.

If he can't die, and if the body does not "die" as you have said, then Christ did not die on the cross and people should not be afraid of death either.


"The passing away of this mortal body is not "death".

The soul is immortal. Nobody dies really.

So stop telling people that Jesus died for them. He didn't because his soul is also immortal.

Also, if Jesus is God, then he can't die. God is immortal.

The center of the Earth, is molten lava. It is hotter then the sun scientists believe. The description of Hell fits perfectly to the conditions of the center of the Earth. An in that day and age, there was absolutely no way of them to have known that except through divine knowledge of such. They did not have the equipment and what not to discover this obviously.


Revelation 20:10

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Job 28:5

5As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.

He was not immortal while he was on Earth. Took on the form of a MAN, and was made in the LIKENESS of a man. Not putting down the great glory of Jesus, but as for physically speaking Jesus was just as you and I.

Philippians 2:7

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men

We have tried countless times to agree to disagree with Cowboy.

We have told him that we are confident that God loves him and appreciates his beliefs, etc.

All we have ever asked from Cowboy is to respect that our reasons for not believing in the religion.

I'm sure he doesn't realize it, but the harder he tries to push the religion onto us the more we will explain to him why we don't buy into it.

So his pushing of the religion is what gives us the opportunity to explain why we don't believe it in great depth.

He's actually doing us quite the favor by presenting us with a constant flood of absurdities to object to.

The more he tries to "justify" the religion with excuses for it, the more opportunity we have for explaining why we aren't buying into those excuses.

His continued harping that other people "need" to believe this religion lest God will be mean to them also helps our case, even though I'm quite sure he's not the slightest bit aware of that.

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Like jrbogie, I agree that religions *can* be, and often are, quite detrimental to humanity on many levels. This is particularly true of the fragmented Abrahamic religions that are based on the idea of a jealous God who will condemn people to eternal damnation if they fail to believe in a particular fragment of that fractured folklore.

We see the Christians, Jews, and Muslims butting heads in the real world all the time. So religion becomes a serious "political issue" truly. It negatively affects everyone, even those who don't care to believe in it.

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Just for the record, I personally believe that there do exist spiritual philosophies that are not harmful to humanity, and can even be quite positive. But those spiritual philosophies do not create jealous Godheads that demand that a person follow a particular doctrine lest God will be peeved with them.

So I'm not personally out to abolish spirituality altogether. In fact, if people want to believe in Jesus that's ok with me too. But when they run around like Cowboy trying to beat people over the head with Jesus, then their religion becomes truly ugly and detrimental again.

So Cowboy isn't helping the religion of his choice at all. All he's really doing is demonstrating how big of a pain in the butt it can truly be for those who aren't interested in buying into it.

Jesus never told anyone to go out and "ARGUE WITH ANYONE TO THE DEATH"

That's ridiculous.

In fact, the scriptures have Jesus himself saying that if a man hears his words and doesn't believe he will not judge them.

And he was speaking to people LIVE.

So if Jesus isn't going to judge against those who didn't even believe in him in person face-to-face, he most certainly wouldn't be judging people for not believing in 2000-year-old hearsay rumors about him.

The whole idea of holding Jesus up as a battering ram, or threat, toward non-believers of the religion is utterly ludicrous.

The scriptures themselves don't even support that kind of nonsense.

That's just religious EXTREMISM that can't even be supported by the original writings anyway.

But that's apparently Cowboy's agenda. He's trying to convince people that Jesus will condemn everyone who refuses to believe that Jesus was "The Christ".

B.S.

I'm sure many people back in that day were aware of volcanoes and how they spew molten lava up from the earth.

Also, there could have been an advanced race living on this earth for a long time that the primitive humans knew nothing about, like the people of Atlantis and Lemuria.

There is evidence of advanced civilizations way back then.