The positive aspect is the love between two people and being happy.

Well since you agree sex is for reproduction, that counts out homosexuality right there. And male homosexuality is a great cause of AIDS and many other disgusting diseases.

Sex and love have almost absolutely nothing to do with one another. One can love another without sex.

Clearly your knowledge of science is grossly lacking.

The "Theory of Evolution" is only one small part of the science. The "Theory" is simply an explanation for how evolution might occur.

In addition to the "theory" there also exists overwhelming physical evidence for the FACT that life on Earth has clearly and very slowly progressed from lower life forms into more complex life forms. That is based on observational evidence, not "theory".

Also the age of the Earth of about 4.5 billion years old has been confirmed by many different scientific fields including astrophysics. That's again a scientific FACT that can be relied upon.

Why do Christians insist on spreading lies about science in an effort to support their religious beliefs? If their religion is true they shouldn't need to resort to distorting the truth to support it.

The DNA evidence alone is sufficient on it's own to show the evolution of the human species. In fact, (and I'm sure you are not aware of this), but it won't be long before geneticists will be able to tell us precisely how things have evolved using DNA alone.

Our human DNA actually contains a detailed record of our entire evolution. All that is required now is for us to be able to read that record. And that's just a matter of time.

DNA is like the HARD DRIVE of the human species. It's utterly amazing what modern science is able to discover anymore.

These ancient religions based on superstitions of Gods that control the weather, plagues, and so forth, are truly at the end of their days. We are witnessing the birth of very strong secularism in the human species.

As you well know (or should know by know) I am a deeply spiritual person myself and favor a mystical view of the universe. So I'm not overly thrilled with complete secularism either. Although I don't see any harm in it. I personally believe that humanity will become highly secular before it finally turns spiritual again.

However, that's really not a problem. Most secular people seem to be quite intelligent anyway. I doubt if you'll find a "secular Jihadist"

And perhaps it needs to be this way. They need to drop these personified God myths entirely first. Then after they become highly secular and have cleansed themselves of these ancient myths of angry jealous godheads, they will finally be prepared to actually embrace a mystical view of the universe.

So this stage of secularism may actually be the cleansing tool that humanity needs to move forward spiritually.

Christianity only denies the Theory of Evolution. All other science is welcomed, cause they have been proven to be FACTS and are not just "theories". You act like Christians just live in little straw huts as the rest of the world progresses. God has told us to subdue this planet. And to do that, one would have to know how things work in this world. Christianity in no way restricts "Science". We welcome it more then you think lol. Just again, we already know the "THEORY" of evolution to be incorrect.

Oh Abra, quit being silly.

No one said weekdays, were less spiritual, than Sundays.

Of course every day is a holy day, since God is with you all the time.

My church has services on all the days of the week, and night time services too.

A day to rest and meditate? Thats exactly what I do on Sunday, I rest, and meditate, on God.

Recently, I quit going on the internet on Sundays, so I can spend more time learning, and reading, the bible...

but I just posted a thread, cause im kind of stuck, and thought I would check this out, while waiting for replies.

And hey, im good with churches, and an occasional bar, to sing some "Kereoke"...you do your thing, and I do mine.

Dig?

Hardcore religious bigotry.

Not based on anything Jesus taught at all.

How dare you judge others to be "sinners" when Jesus taught NOT TO JUDGE others.

Christian hypocrisy.

So?

You support everlasting punishment and torture day and night for ever and ever.

I objected to that because it has not positive aspect in it.

You couldn't care less. You still support it.

Only because you have to because otherwise you'd have to confess that the God depicted in your religion is unrighteous.





Well, there you go. At least you found something positive in homosexuality.

That's better than everlasting torture that has no positive value at all.

There could also be a deep intimate connection between lovers in homosexuality too. So it could also have deeply emotional positive value for the loving relationship too.

That's cool. I'm glad you found a church you are happy with. That's important.

I used to take my mother to church ever Sunday because she was too feeble to go on her own. I did not enjoy the services but sat through them anyway for my mother's sake. My mother was well aware of my position on the Christianity, and she was cool with that. But she still liked to attend services because she had been doing it her entire life.

After she died I haven't been inside a church since, and have no intention on changing that anytime soon. All they did was sermon on stupid stuff that doesn't even apply to me anyway.

Did you hear the song I posted? "Poetry and Music"?

I don't do Karaoke, but I do play guitar and sing my own songs.

I don't go to bars though, I prefer the coffee houses.

Or tea.

Leviticus 20:13

13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

People will not have ever lasting torture, or anything of such. Everlasting punishment is everlasting death. It's not burning, it's not torture, it's DEATH.

Like I said. This has nothing at all to do with the teachings of Jesus.

In fact, Leviticus is from the Old Covenant that according to you has been FINISHED and no longer applies.



This is precisely the kind of hypocrisy that I'm talking about.

You spit in the face of Jesus using Leviticus as your hawker.

Who said anything about people Cowboy?

You just posted this yourself:

Rev.20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Everlasting torment is everlasting torment. Doesn't matter who it's being applied to. It's pointlessness and uselessness would still remain the same. There would be no positive aspect in it.

So my point still stands.

http://youtu.be/rmO8jy7sHeY

By the way, where do you get this idea?

According to Matthew Jesus had the following to say which totally conflicts with what you are claiming above:


Matt.25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Jesus was certainly referring to PEOPLE here.

So evidently you are either in denial of what the scriptures have to say, or you simply aren't aware of what they have to say.

You are basically lying (or grossly mistaken) to preach to people that this religion does not have Jesus stating that PEOPLE will be sent away into everlasting punishment.

If you're going to PREACH this religion you better LEARN it FIRST.

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Apparently you're just out to try to justify this religion at all cost.

Moreover, you clearly see the problem with sending PEOPLE into everlasting punishment, otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard to deny that this religion makes this proclamation, even in Jesus' name.

You're doing everything in your power to "justify" an unjustifiable religion.

I apologize for that, don't know what I was thinking using that particular verse. But here is a new testament verse.

Romans 1:26-27

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And the everlasting punishment is everlasting death. Does not say "everlasting torture" or anything of such.

The only reward for sin is death. That is the everlasting punishment. They will never have life again eg., everlasting.

Matt.25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal

Notice what is being said. Says "everlasting punishment" and "life eternal". One is the reward, one is the lack thereof. Obviously the punishment won't be everlasting torture, for them to be torture they would have to have some form of life. Since the righteous will be the only one's that have eternal life, the punishment couldn't possibly be everlasting torment.

And we are told how a relationship is suppose to be. So if it is not how it was intended, that would be a sin. If someone wants you to turn left, do they have to tell you not to turn right?

Mark 10:7

7For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife

Matthew 19:5
5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

So now you're climbing out on a limb and making up your own definitions of what constitutes a sin.



If we go by your approach then anyone who does not marry at all would be committing a sin as well. Therefore you need to start telling single people that they are sinners and better get their act together and grab a spouse before it's too late!



Your absolute desperation to make this broken religion work at all cost is truly hilarious.

So you're basically renouncing Hell for humans in this religion. I'm quite sure that many Christians are not going to be in agreement with you on that one.

Also if that's the case then what was the point with the "Fall from Grace" and all that nonsense.

Why didn't this creator simply start out with this as his plot in the beginning? He simply creates humans, offers them a chance to win the prize of eternal life if they choose to obey his commands, and if they chose not to obey they forfeit the gift.

That would have been more consistent then.

Why bother punishing women with painful childbirth for Eve's decision to not obey this God. Shouldn't this God have simply allowed Eve to perish, as HER CHOICE, and allow everyone else to make their own choices after that.

Why punish all the women of humanity with painful childbirth simply because Eve wasn't interested in the gift of eternal life?

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You're trying to reduce this story into something that simply doesn't fit the BIG PICTURE.

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No, this God becomes angry and PUNISHES those who refuse to obey him Cowboy. He doesn't merely give them a choice of either eternal life or the right to politely decline the offer.

He'll punish you with painful childbirth if you refuse to OBEY him!

You can't avoid it Cowboy.

The religion is hopeless.

Either confess that this God is out to HURT people who refuse to obey him, or move on to another religion.

You're just personally living in denial of what the religion is actually all about is all.

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And what about Jesus being the "sacrificial lamb" of God to PAY for the sins of man via his brutal crucifixion?

You're in denial of many of the MAJOR TENANTS of this religion is all.

Jesus could not have "paid" for man's sins via his "DEATH" because he didn't die spirituality. Only his body died, his SPIRIT obviously survived in this religion. So he could have have paid for man's sins though his "Death" (which according to you would have been EVERLASTING punishment).

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Your explanations for this religion don't fly.

You're just in denial of the religion yourself is all.