Ya know...this whole thing reminds me of a few weeks ago. I hit the Local Harley shop with my dad for thier Saturday cookout. As I sat there eating and listening to them discuss, politics/economy and religion, I started to laugh. I said "40 years ago, you tattooed, long haired, leather wearing bikers were considered left wing liberals. Today you are the right wing conservatives. Politics hadn't changed. Religion hasn't changed. The economy hasn't changed. You guys have."

After a pause, all of them started chuckling and nodding. "Your kid is right" (they told my Dad.)

Just something to throw out there. Take it or leave it.

My Dad in his friends may ride and be tatted up...but they ain't the biker stereo type. You may consider yourself a hippy bro but, I just don't see any "hippie" traits.

good observation krupa

the reality is (amd this is prolly NOT going to make me popular) that during the time of the peace & love movement the economy was booming and the children of the well to do middle class could afford to be "radical"

but the radical wasn't a whole lot differnet than the poodle skirts and leather jackets of the previous generation - it was just different in a way that each generation of young people attempts to identify themselves

the unique thing about that time (and ur dad and his friends may still share some of this) was the value on the intrinsic self rather than what "society expects" that was the movement right there - substance over appearances-that simple statement. So the peace & love stuff - it was for real for us and many of us have taken those values into our subsequent middle class lives.


and hey - this is just my opinion folks - simplified for brevity - so be kind

Just curious, how are they high maintenance?

Why don't you go find someone else to stalk and make snide remarks to

Subcultural norms?

Tats have nothing to do with subculture and every thing to do with group norms.


ummm not necessarily as subcultures are group - geez c'mon motown _ I thought u were one of the smaaart kids

and I was really referring to the wider topic of body art


Tats have been used for centuries to show membership in a culture.
They have become the symbol of belonging to, or wanting to belong to, a certain generation, much the same as long hair and bell bottom pants where the symbols of belonging to another generation.

That was very well put....the same with today's generation with all the colored hair, pants hanging down on the butt and all the other things we see with the kids nowadays. They just want to have their "own" generational ....movements (as you call it).

I still prefer peace, serenity, happiness, love, and rock n roll as a did when young and living the hippie life.

Have you seen the cost of body sculpting?

Woah, lady. I was just commenting on something you said in a public forum. Though, I shouldn't expect much more from someone who at one point said I shouldn't be allowed to post, because you didn't agree with what I said. I'd definitely call that judgmental.

When I hear "body sculpting" I think of exercise. I'm guessing you're talking about something different.

Good to know. Question...When you go to San Fransico...do you make sure to wear some flowers in your hair?

Surgery, the easy way out. My sister paid $20,000 for her face and she still looks the same only happy. I go to the gym, I'm all for that type of sculpting but going under the knife is kind of radical to me.

Ah, you're assuming that those who get tattoos are also going to get plastic surgery? And that's why you think they're all high maintenance?

Well it took 3 of them for me to fictionalize that.

Yes, but Haight-Ashbury has changed from the time of my favorite song. If I remember right it is actually in Berkeley, but my memory is fuzzy.

Well, I know several with tattoos. None of them have had plastic surgery. So, I think you're making generalizations about a lot of people because a few you know. Don't assume that everyone is going to be like those 3 people.

I'm trying to change my outlook. You have to change or stay frozen in the past.

ummm not necessarily as subcultures are group - geez c'mon motown _ I thought u were one of the smaaart kids

and I was really referring to the wider topic of body art


Tats have been used for centuries to show membership in a culture.
They have become the symbol of belonging to, or wanting to belong to, a certain generation, much the same as long hair and bell bottom pants where the symbols of belonging to another generation.

I agree

I was actually a little young to be a full fledged "hippie" (my folks would have tied me to a chair first). But I am just old enough to remember it pretty well, and remember that my 9th grade class were the radicals that won permission from the superintendent to wear bell bottoms to school!!!! Can u just imagine?!?!?

Tats have been used for centuries to show membership in a culture.
They have become the symbol of belonging to, or wanting to belong to, a certain generation, much the same as long hair and bell bottom pants where the symbols of belonging to another generation.

I agree

I was actually a little young to be a full fledged "hippie" (my folks would have tied me to a chair first). But I am just old enough to remember it pretty well, and remember that my 9th grade class were the radicals that won permission from the superintendent to wear bell bottoms to school!!!! Can u just imagine?!?!?


I can remember dodging the principal all my senior year cuz my hair touched my ears. At the end, they wouldn't allow me on the graduation stage looking "like that." They mailed everybody's to them anyway.

honestly tho I have always been retro to the 50s - loved that era - still do

ya, the baggy pants - I call them a "fashion statement"

not anything mine have ever been into, but I know what u mean....I like some of the colored hair and I like some of the chain jewelry and piercings