So your changing the earlier stance that God is unknowable, and now claiming - like spider - that He is partially knowable?

I was stating a belief. Specifically my belief.

As far as I'm concerned the Hebrews offered mankind a really pathetic picture of God. And they only did that to try to claim that if you disagree with them then you are in disagreement with God.

I personally don't fall for their lies.

I don't believe that an all-wise God could be as ignorant as the Hebrews.

It amazes me how many people are actually willing to believe that, especially on pure faith.

Why would anyone want to have faith that our creator is as screwed up as a male-chauvinistic bunch of jerks.

If those ancient Hebrews were alive today and behaving they way they did in Biblical times we'd probably be referring to them as the Taliban.

So spider,

Do you find a meaningful distinction between knowledge and belief?

Yes, do you?

Indeed. I do.

If you do not know that it is an accurate picture, then you 'walk by faith' alone that the picture is true, yes?

This is true, but my problem is Christianity has it's roots in the fact that they believe God's ways can be known without a shadow of a doubt, and if anyone challenges them they are wrong by default.

So in other words, you simple prefer to have faith that our creator is like the ancient Hebrews claim.

Fine.

But if your belief is merely a faith-based belief, then why go around telling everyone that they are destined to hell and can only be saved by Jesus?

Why spread your fear of God to others if you've merely chosen to believe that on faith alone?

Why not just tell them, "Well, I've chosen to fear that God will punish me if I don't believe in Jesus".

Then let them decide whether they are interested in placing their FAITH in that same ideology?

Nope, didn't change my stance. What thought process led you to that conclussion?

No, not at all. That's quite the logical leap. There is a good deal of evidence and logic for the existence of the God of the Bible.

I am not personally interested in what you believe about God Spider.

What I want from anyone (Christian, Jew, Islam, Mormon, or whatever) is to present absolute irrefutable proof that Abraham, Joseph, Mary, Jesus, Joshua, and the "chosen people" existed.

I say that the scripture was rewritten and these stories including the New Testament are pure fiction.

I say that this will be proven in our lifetime by investigating the true origin of the Jewish tribes.

LOL! Show me where that is in Christianity....

You have cut me to the quick madam!



Give me absolute proof that you exist. You cannot. Even if we met in person, you could be a delusion of my mind.

Of course, no big surprise there. I'm not bothering, you won't accept it anyway. Not about to play that game, I'll save it for someone who will listen.

Because you can't... It's not in there...

No because you are simply baiting, and I refuse to take it. Anything I may say that contradicts what you've been told, you'll just dismiss. So there's no point.

Go away! 'Batin'!

Very very mature.......

It's Friday, they are having a sale on senses of humor tomorrow at Walmart, you should check it out. Oh a pick up a copy of Idiocracy.

You made the fallacious strawman statement and I'm the one who's baiting?

I really don't understand why people can make a blanket statement about my faith and then refuse to back it up. Could it be because there's no actual proof of their claims?